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The National Walkout - Your Thoughts?

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And I personally believe that the political party problem is more of a result of the growing divide between people. I'm going to ask everyone this. When you think of the Opposition during politics, do you think of the person or do you think of what they stand for. Do you think them as a human being, yes, or no. Consider what I said carefully.

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Plus the corruption going on
 
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I really dont want to blame the guns, and im getting pretty tired of bringing this up again and again, but as i said in a profile comment:
But in our country civilians dont need guns and no tragedy related to guns such as mass shootings neither on schools or any other part of our cities have happened thus far. So, who of the two countries is the one with problems? The one who praise guns as their gods, or the one who really dont need them?
It really makes you think.
 
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Also, regarding the two party system: it's bullshit. Don't vote "against" a candidate in 2020, vote for the 3rd party you align with the most if the major parties don't satisfy you. There's no such thing as a wasted vote, unless you DON'T vote or you vote intentionally against your interests
 

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To begin with, what is a civilian going to do with a high caliber assault rifle meant to fire a great ammount of bullets per second, with the specific purpose of killing? That should be reserved for military only, and you really can't bring up the argument "it's self defense" when a handgun would serve that purpose well.
How would you regulate the usage of guns? Are you really going to make a national campaign where you take away every single assault rifle from the population? It's not impossible, that is if there's a register of bought guns and the respective adress of the buyer. You see, a gun is not bad by itself. What you really need is mental health. And now we're going down the "videogames cause violence" road once more, leaving aside any psychology or actual research.
 
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Also, regarding the two party system: it's bullshit. Don't vote "against" a candidate in 2020, vote for the 3rd party you align with the most if the major parties don't satisfy you. There's no such thing as a wasted vote, unless you DON'T vote or you vote intentionally against your interests
We don't even know the candidates yet, hopefully someone runs against Trump on the Republican side if he's still in office. November 2018 may end up being more important than 2020, so do your research on candidates for your state.
 
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There's no such thing as a wasted vote, unless you DON'T vote or you vote intentionally against your interests

This a million times. Republicans and Democrats alike--especially their supporters--spend an inordinate amount of time shitting in the political pool--they used to just piss in it--precisely to make discussions about politics something where, when done, you feel dirtier than when you started. It drives everyone else who dares have an opinion other than the limited ones they support to want to avoid the whole mess. The only solution to a pool like that--short of some sort of horrific genocidal civil war--is to keep flushing in more clean water--ie, more fresh voters--willing to vote out of their own careful considerations and conscience.

There's something very disgusting for so many in politics today who are so quick to argue that the one thing you should never vote for is the person or party that represents you but instead should focus on backing the horse that's "less evil". That's not a call on democracy. That's a call for a shit show.
 

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There's something very disgusting for so many in politics today who are so quick to argue that the one thing you should never vote for is the person or party that represents you but instead should focus on backing the horse that's "less evil". That's not a call on democracy. That's a call for a shit show.
Not even the last election was truly about the "lesser of two evils," though. It was only convenient for some people to frame it that way in order to relieve their guilt from not voting or helping to vote in the current shitshow.
 
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To begin with, what is a civilian going to do with a high caliber assault rifle meant to fire a great ammount of bullets per second, with the specific purpose of killing? That should be reserved for military only, and you really can't bring up the argument "it's self defense" when a handgun would serve that purpose well.
How would you regulate the usage of guns? Are you really going to make a national campaign where you take away every single assault rifle from the population? It's not impossible, that is if there's a register of bought guns and the respective adress of the buyer. You see, a gun is not bad by itself. What you really need is mental health. And now we're going down the "videogames cause violence" road once more, leaving aside any psychology or actual research.
The reality is that we DON'T need to take away every assault rifle/modern sports rifle (*shudder* that felt gross to type) in one go. We just need to enforce a national buyback at previous retail price while also banning future sales. Rational people will eventually turn in their own weapons for the decent amount of money they'd get in return, as evidenced by the Australian gun buyback and the British knife dropoff program, while the Second Amendment Only Amendment group would probably hang on to theirs like a lifeline, which, realistically, is fine, as long as two things happen; a) when a weapon is used in a crime, it is scanned thoroughly so all evidence remains intact, then decommissioned and melted down for scrap so it doesn't go back into the wild after leaving evidence storage, and b) private sales are regulated by some dmv-like agency that keeps track of who owns firearms and what serial number they own. The idea is not necessarily to completely eliminate all guns in our country, the end goal is simply to reduce our gun/citizen ratio to something manageable while preventing another ride in gun ownership and enacting more reasonable restrictions
 

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I find the walkout to be stupid. It feels to me as though most students just wanted an excuse to ditch class. If they were serious about this and school, they'd do it after school. If I still went to High School and had a walkout like this, I'd probably grab my bag and go home.
 

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The reality is that we DON'T need to take away every assault rifle/modern sports rifle (*shudder* that felt gross to type) in one go. We just need to enforce a national buyback at previous retail price while also banning future sales. Rational people will eventually turn in their own weapons for the decent amount of money they'd get in return, as evidenced by the Australian gun buyback and the British knife dropoff program, while the Second Amendment Only Amendment group would probably hang on to theirs like a lifeline, which, realistically, is fine, as long as two things happen; a) when a weapon is used in a crime, it is scanned thoroughly so all evidence remains intact, then decommissioned and melted down for scrap so it doesn't go back into the wild after leaving evidence storage, and b) private sales are regulated by some dmv-like agency that keeps track of who owns firearms and what serial number they own. The idea is not necessarily to completely eliminate all guns in our country, the end goal is simply to reduce our gun/citizen ratio to something manageable while preventing another ride in gun ownership and enacting more reasonable restrictions

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As Biden said, you want a good home defense weapon you buy a shotgun.

IMO you want a good target weapon you buy some type of pistol. Hunting rifles only need to be single shot, or you're taking most of the sportsmanship out of it.
 
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Why don't all school students treat all other school students with respect. It shouldn't have to come down to school shootings and walkouts. There should be zero tolerance for hate and discontent in schools.
 
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I find the walkout to be stupid. It feels to me as though most students just wanted an excuse to ditch class. If they were serious about this and school, they'd do it after school. If I still went to High School and had a walkout like this, I'd probably grab my bag and go home.
It was 17 minutes long

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Why don't all school students treat all other school students with respect. It shouldn't have to come down to school shootings and walkouts. There should be zero tolerance for hate and discontent in schools.
Children reflect the attitudes of those they look up to the most
 

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If it's been covered and I missed it, just fill in the blanks. But I've wondered ever since the Parkland shooting occurred - he wasn't a student at the school, but he got inside the school, with a long gun. How did that happen? Why hasn't anyone been asking how that happened? When I go to my daughter's school to sign her out for a doctor's appointment or something, I have to press a button to get buzzed in. A minor exercise of simple entry security could have prevented this. Yes? That's not to say he couldn't have inflicted harm elsewhere, but the discussion is specifically re: schools. Even putting aside the ineffective law enforcement response after the shooting began, why not more focus on preventing people who don't belong in the school from getting in there in the first place?
 
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If it's been covered and I missed it, just fill in the blanks. But I've wondered ever since the Parkland shooting occurred - he wasn't a student at the school, but he got inside the school, with a long gun. How did that happen? Why hasn't anyone been asking how that happened? When I go to my daughter's school to sign her out for a doctor's appointment or something, I have to press a button to get buzzed in. A minor exercise of simple entry security could have prevented this. Yes? That's not to say he couldn't have inflicted harm elsewhere, but the discussion is specifically re: schools. Even putting aside the ineffective law enforcement response after the shooting began, why not more focus on preventing people who don't belong in the school from getting in there in the first place?
I dunno about Parkland or your school, but in my high school literally anyone can walk in and out during school hours. It's obviously preferred that people go through the office doors, but even then someone with a gun could likely get through if it was in an over-the-shoulder bag or something
 

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"Cops are in a position of power imbalance that tends to produce bad cops that are racist and evil, which is why Philandro Castile, a black teacher who legally owned a handgun, was murdered in cold blood for reaching for his ID. If cops were held more accountable and common sense gun laws were enacted, this would be significantly less of an issue."

But hey, that's not nearly as catchy or memeable

Edit: "rascist" I just made the most unholy snorting noise
 
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"Cops are in a position of power imbalance that tends to produce bad cops that are racist and evil, which is why Philandro Castile, a black teacher who legally owned a handgun, was murdered in cold blood for reaching for his ID. If cops were held more accountable and common sense gun laws were enacted, this would be significantly less of an issue."

But hey, that's not nearly as catchy or memeable

Edit: "rascist" I just made the most unholy snorting noise
neither side wants "common sense gun laws" BOTH sides want to give the state a total monopoly on violence
 
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I dunno about Parkland or your school, but in my high school literally anyone can walk in and out during school hours. It's obviously preferred that people go through the office doors, but even then someone with a gun could likely get through if it was in an over-the-shoulder bag or something

Yeah I guess I'm suggesting maybe we could do something about that.
 
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neither side wants "common sense gun laws" BOTH sides want to give the state a total monopoly on violence
Uh... What?...

What do YOU think "common sense gun laws" means?...

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Yeah I guess I'm suggesting maybe we could do something about that.
I kind of agree, but we shouldn't HAVE to. Plus, that hinders senior release, which would be a drag
 

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Uh... What?...

What do YOU think "common sense gun laws" means?...
it means nothing because there is no such thing
it's a trick
criminals do not follow laws ,
all gun control is just to criminalize people
and a step toward total disarmament
a step closer to giving the state a total monopoly on violence
 
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