Gaming Will Pokemon Incorporate Avg. Pokedex Height?

Will Pokemon Incorporate Avg. Pokedex Height?

  • yes

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  • no

    Votes: 9 45.0%
  • i hope we get different sizes

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Yeah that's kinda the idea. An active turn-based system that's truly active during the turn timer wind-up instead of sitting around in idle animations.


That's bullshit and you know it. Playstation 4 has basically the same design for the console and controller as PSX did. Most businesses are very wary of taking risks, which is why Nintendo is the only one of the three console devs to do it.
No I like being able to take my time at the "what will you do" menu. It can help you think your next move. It's like chess. Not soccer.

And it's not bullshit at all. Everything released is a risk. You don't know how well it will do. Therefore, risk.

Look. Dude. We get it. You're bored with Pokemon. But you're in the literal like... .0000001%. Stop trying to push it on everyone else. You don't have to like pokemon games but stop trying to ruin it for those who do.
 

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No I like being able to take my time at the "what will you do" menu. It can help you think your next move. It's like chess. Not soccer.
Even chess has timers at high levels of play lol.

And it's not bullshit at all. Everything released is a risk. You don't know how well it will do. Therefore, risk.
This completely ignores the subtleties of sales and marketing. On most products, you know the risk because there's something similar out there already. Nintendo didn't have that safety net with Wii. Or WiiU. Or Switch. So obviously it's a bigger risk when you don't know what the overall risk is going into it.

Look. Dude. We get it. You're bored with Pokemon. But you're in the literal like... .0000001%. Stop trying to push it on everyone else. You don't have to like pokemon games but stop trying to ruin it for those who do.
Pokemon is the top-selling franchise in the history of the world. Don't kid yourself, it doesn't matter what you or I think, they're free to change it however they want and it'll still sell. They could turn the core game combat into Candy Crush and it would still sell. The branding alone is too powerful.
 
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Even chess has timers at high levels of play lol.


This completely ignores the subtleties of sales and marketing. On most products, you know the risk because there's something similar out there already. Nintendo didn't have that safety net with Wii. Or WiiU. Or Switch. So obviously it's a bigger risk when you don't know what the overall risk is going into it.


Pokemon is the top-selling franchise in the history of the world. Don't kid yourself, it doesn't matter what you or I think, they're free to change it however they want and it'll still sell. They could turn the core game combat into Candy Crush and it would still sell.
chess. like a regular chess game. Has zero timers. You're really fishing. They will NOT do what you're suggesting.
 

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Seriously? The Witcher 3? Dark Souls? The Elder Scrolls? aRPGs have always been popular when done right.
witcher 3 sold under 5 millions on consoles
most of dark souls games havent sold over 3 millions ...
elder scrols best selling game is skyrim wich sold around 13 millions plus remasters i guess every other game on the series didnt reach 3 million.

so what is your point? nintendo is gonna just take away the 15 millions garanted sales on pokemon games and go with a style where the best games sell half of it?

it makes no sence saying they did more money lol, even if they are criticaly aclaimed does not mean they sell much, even the shitites pokemon main game sold more than witcher 3 and dark sould combined...

Praised game does not mean they sell, dark souls is the perfect example their sales dont even reach 3 millions...
 

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you do know chess has a timer right?

Either way i think it would make for a better game because your will have to think on your feet.
But to each there own.
I think pokemon should step up.
 

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Even chess has timers at high levels of play lol.


This completely ignores the subtleties of sales and marketing. On most products, you know the risk because there's something similar out there already. Nintendo didn't have that safety net with Wii. Or WiiU. Or Switch. So obviously it's a bigger risk when you don't know what the overall risk is going into it.


Pokemon is the top-selling franchise in the history of the world. Don't kid yourself, it doesn't matter what you or I think, they're free to change it however they want and it'll still sell. They could turn the core game combat into Candy Crush and it would still sell. The branding alone is too powerful.
no they wont, there is a pokemon matching and puzzle game called pokemon trozei and theres like 3 games like those, they sold poorly lol very poorly.
 

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chess. like a regular chess game. Has zero timers.
Guess I'm getting old if you've never seen a chess timer before, yeesh.

They look like this, though there are plenty of different styles:

Russian-Chess.jpg


They will NOT do what you're suggesting.
I guess we'll see. If it was a "typical" Pokemon game I'm pretty sure we would've seen more gameplay by now.

so what is your point?
What's your point? I already said the money is likely not what matters most to Game Freak/Nintendo here. They're not risk-averse because they're fucking loaded.
 
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Guess I'm getting old if you've never seen a chess timer before, yeesh.

They look like this, though there are plenty of different styles:

Russian-Chess.jpg



I guess we'll see. If it was a "typical" Pokemon game I'm pretty sure we would've seen more gameplay by now.
they had nothing to show, heck even 8 months ago, gamefreak was hiring people for 3d modeling if you missed the news... same with metroid prime 4 its in development but with nothing to show.
 

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they had nothing to show, heck even 8 months ago, gamefreak was hiring people for 3d modeling if you missed the news... same with metroid prime 4 its in development but with nothing to show.
Precisely, they have nothing to show. Cobbling together a battle demonstration in 720p would be easy, probably wouldn't take them more than a week to wow everybody and get hype levels up. They haven't done it because there's a lot more work to be done before anything can be shown. Suggesting a big overhaul for parts of the game, combat or otherwise.
 

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Precisely, they have nothing to show. Cobbling together a battle demonstration in 720p would be easy, probably wouldn't take them more than a week to wow everybody and get hype levels up. They haven't done it because there's a lot more work to be done before anything can be shown. Suggesting a big overhaul for parts of the game, combat or otherwise.
since when are pokemon games announced with a single battle? lol never.

you always show the region and the starters, just like you said why idnt nintendo made a metroid trailer than just showed samus shooting a missile at a random enemy on a corner of a map and that woulbd be done under a week too lol, that is not how nintendo makes trailers, they either just say the name or show a decent trailer, they arent much of doing teasers at all...
 

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since when are pokemon games announced with a single battle? lol never.
They're announced with a trailer, which is usually little more than a few battles and some dialogue. Regardless, that wouldn't be hard to put together either. The whole Pokemon 3DS engine was probably running on Switch within a month, so if they wanted to grab that low-hanging fruit we'd already have Pokemon Stars.
 

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honestly id be ok with that. SM/USUM have showed that no matter how innovative, the same core gameplay can get stale over 20 years. Im glas their innovating
 

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They're announced with a trailer, which is usually little more than a few battles and some dialogue. Regardless, that wouldn't be hard to put together either. The whole Pokemon 3DS engine was probably running on Switch within a month, so if they wanted to grab that low-hanging fruit we'd already have Pokemon Stars.
every new gen has a slightly diferent engine besides the remakes they never use the same engine twice, also sun and moon is not what they want to follow, it will probably be more linear pokemon game with gyms and such again, i doubt they will do the crappy toten pokemons ever again.

the engine is changed everytime a new gen is released. so no they woulnt do a quick edit of a random dialog and battle when they dont even have all the 3d moels updated for the 700+ pokemons or even the map finished...
 

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This is getting ridiculous. I'm outsie.
I do appreciate you challenging the theory, I just wish you had something more interesting to offer than "silly, ridiculous, never gonna happen."

the engine is changed everytime a new gen is released
I seriously doubt this is the case, US/UM look very similar to other 3DS entries.

also sun and moon is not what they want to follow
On that we agree. Too much exposition, not enough playing the game.
 

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I do appreciate you challenging the theory, I just wish you had something more interesting to offer than "silly, ridiculous, never gonna happen."


I seriously doubt this is the case, US/UM look very similar to other 3DS entries.


On that we agree. Too much exposition, not enough playing the game.
x and y plays diferent from sun and moon, you can fell the pacing, animations, walk movements, and such everything is diferent trainers dont even come to you on sun and moon, like they do on x and y.

obviosuly sun and moon is the same engine since its basicaly the third version, they didnt even bothered with a diferent story like black and white 2, its basicaly the same as emerald,platinium,yellow and crystal.tbh it has even less changes imo then crystal or platinium.
 

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x and y plays diferent from sun and moon, you can fell the pacing, animations, walk movements, and such everything is diferent trainers dont even come to you on sun and moon, like they do on x and y.
If you say so. They still look nearly identical, so it's possible they updated all that stuff, it wouldn't require an engine change.
 

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If you say so. They still look nearly identical, so it's possible they updated all that stuff, it wouldn't require an engine change.
of course it does, z moves alone is an engine change, same with trainer now dont walk to your location,then the call for help in battles on sun and moon, all that is engine change.
 

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