Gaming MK8D: AI can use items faster than players

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It seems the original post was incorrect, as users can speed up their item wheel by pressing buttons:
Wrong, there is a specific number of times you press it to get it without using it. It's like 4 or something.

Original post for reference:
UPDATE:
I was wrong in certain places, it seems that players can speed up the item wheel by mashing the L button, however this does mean you'll end up using the item without knowing what item you got. The video has been removed to prevent misleading users.

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So there's been some discussions about whether or not the AI RNG system in Mario Kart generally is unfair with some going as far as calling it "AI Cheating". It's quite difficult to calculate the exact distributions of these seemingly random events so I can't conclusively measure RNG elements, but something we can accurately calculate and scientifically reproduce is the speed at which characters can use items.

This is something I've noticed in every match, AI characters are able to use items after touching item boxes much faster than player characters. For players, there's a slot machine animation that takes a while before the item is assigned and useable. For AI characters, they are able to equip and use items almost instantaneously after touching the item box. For the sake of scientific comparison, I recorded footage of both players and AI characters obtaining and using items. The timer was started at the frame in which the character touched the item box, and ended as soon as the item appeared in their hands. Measurements were taken at the very beginning of the match so that characters did not have any item equipped prior to measurement (video demonstration was recorded later in the match, however none of the characters had items equipped prior).

I found that players need to wait 3.4 seconds before an obtained item became useable, however for AI that delay is drastically reduced to 1.2 seconds. That's almost 3 times shorter than for human players.

Here's a video recording of the timings:


(exact timings start at the 32 second mark)​


2 seconds isn't exactly much, but when it comes to shaking off an AI behind you with a Red Shell, that split-second waiting for your next defensive item to become useable is crucial.
 
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Jesus. No wonder the AI is such bullshit.
Not to mention homicidal Lakitu who keeps dropping me on top of shells:
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There are times (Online Mode) when the item only auto-chooses (pressing the shoulder button did nothing) the item by the time you get to the next part of the map. Yay, so fast.

But hey, the AI doesn't really matter all that much if you play ranked matches online.
 
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Thank you for confirming my suspicions! I as SURE something felt wrong.

Hope this isn't intentional, cus if so, that is total bullshit!
 
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If the AI didn't have any sort of rubberbanding, the game would be simply too easy lol. And I second @skawo , that's nothing compared to the MK64 AIs going thrice as fast and teleporting, or the MKWii AIs and the blue shell rains.
 
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You can press the use item button 3 times in quick succession to speed up the anim and instantly complete it on MK7, is that not the case on MK8?

i'm pretty sure you can, every time i grab an item in MK8 i rapidly hit the use item button and the roulette wheel only makes one DALADLA and then gives me something.
 

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in online games i dont even get to pick my item... it just spins and does not respond. i have to wait for the game to stop the rotating item. It does not happen all the time tho.
 

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