Eh, I admit I went a bit overboard there. Had a long day and have already seen too many threads like this and was a bit more harsh than I should have been.
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sooo why do people think that the luma devs are trying to "brain wash" people to use luma, there not its just the best option rn right?
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Yeah, Luma devs aren't using their influence or anything to push their CFW. The reason it's so popular is because it works easily and well.
The whole "Luma3DS devs are manipulating the community" is such an Alex Jones tier conspiracy theory.
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giving my honest opinion - i don't think there's a "better" CFW. the thing that truly changes are for who they are designed for. in case, i'd say Luma is towards people who wants user experience with all it's basic stuff, without needing to get too further into system, but others, like corbenik, are for people who mostly want to explore their system, with debugging and messing with files, for people who mainly wants to debug their 3DSes.
the thing is, a big majority of people has a kind of "intolerance" when other CFWs come into tone, since Luma is mainly characterized as a complete CFW,and so,most people don't see a need on having others cfw that "do the same thing as luma", which can lead to people think other cfws being a copy of luma, not necessarily as an alternative thing. luma is indeed a really well made cfw, but there's others that can accomplish stuff that luma can't. but in both cases, none is better. that depends mainly on who the user is and for what he's using the cfw for.
the thing is, a big majority of people has a kind of "intolerance" when other CFWs come into tone, since Luma is mainly characterized as a complete CFW,and so,most people don't see a need on having others cfw that "do the same thing as luma", which can lead to people think other cfws being a copy of luma, not necessarily as an alternative thing. luma is indeed a really well made cfw, but there's others that can accomplish stuff that luma can't. but in both cases, none is better. that depends mainly on who the user is and for what he's using the cfw for.
Luma's arm11 exception handlers and gdb stub are far more advanced than any of Corbenik's debugging tools.
corbenik is just an example, not a reference.
and imo, it's better for us to have multiple cfws. it's a thing that we chose to install or not, and either way, even if the differences between are minimal, there's a difference. there's always a reason for someone to install corbenik or any other CFW. just because luma exists, doesn't mean it's the only one. it's basically saying "don't do this, because we already have this, and it's probs more advanced".
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and uh corbenik is outdated and and kinda on the ew side and i dont know why u would use it anyway too much work reeee
quoting again: corbenik is an example, not a reference. it's just one of the first cfws that popped into my mind.
also derek is loves corbenik sooo
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oh ok then
In no way is having multiple CFWs inherently better. Look at the PS Vita, it only has one "CFW," Henkaku/Enso, and it's probably by far the best developed and maintained CFW in any scene.
i think thats what luma is trying to do be as user friendly as possible and have nice features other cfw's seem out dated and not the user friendly
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The fact that Aurora has felt the need to come post on GBATemp really shows how out of hand things are getting. Some people are just mindless zealots whose only goal is to incite chaos, and should be ignored by everyone. CFW wars in general should be ignored by everyone, and in a perfect world everyone would do their own research on which CFW has what features they particularly want. That said, even though the resources to do so exist, people just want a quick and easy method so they can get to pirating their video games.
As with every piece of development, be it hardware, software, architecture (I mean buildings, not hardware architecture) or what have you, the design goals are entirely different. Aurora's goal was to make something that simply works, that people couldn't fuck up by turning off something they shouldn't. For the largest part I believe she's achieved that. I can't admit to knowing much about Reisyukaku or his ReiNAND, but it seems to me his goal was largely the same as Aurora.
In regards to why "CFW Wars" exist, it's the exact same reason console wars, or pc vs console or pretty much any conflict exists. Difference of opinion. Or bigotry, I suppose. People believe that there is only ever one correct choice, and one wrong choice. Almost nothing in life is as black and white as that. Some people, innocently enough, just say to use what works for them without really having any information as to why someone chose or wants something different. Things like CFW wars unfortunately will never go away. People recently like to hate on Luma3DS because of Rosalina and the bugs it introduced. The thing with software development is that there is no such thing as 100% bug free. It's mostly that issues never crop up or are so far beyond edge case as to be near unfixable. Another thing I've seen thrown around is that the Nintendo Card Management software, or whatever the hell it's called, is now crashing because of Rosalina. From what I've gathered this is not true, it's always done so, you're just now more privy to it because of the error handler present in Luma3DS/Rosalina. Just because you saw no ill effects before doesn't mean it didn't exist.
I personally use Luma3DS. Why? Because I don't really want to take the chance of screwing up my console. I'm also a lazy piece of shit. I don't tell people to use it though, nor do I preach from upon high about how godly Aurora/Luma3DS is. If development on Luma3DS stops, for whatever reason, then I will look into other CFWs but will most likely go with CrimsonMaple's ReiNAND. However, people like Lilith Valentine want more fine tuned control of their system, that's fine, of course. The target "audience" of Luma3DS is not her or people like her and she should (and does) use something different. She doesn't need any guidance though on what's right for her as she's smart enough to think about what she wants and needs and then find it, other people should use the resources that exist. I'm not sure how up to date they are though, now that Boot9Strap is a thing.
As with every piece of development, be it hardware, software, architecture (I mean buildings, not hardware architecture) or what have you, the design goals are entirely different. Aurora's goal was to make something that simply works, that people couldn't fuck up by turning off something they shouldn't. For the largest part I believe she's achieved that. I can't admit to knowing much about Reisyukaku or his ReiNAND, but it seems to me his goal was largely the same as Aurora.
In regards to why "CFW Wars" exist, it's the exact same reason console wars, or pc vs console or pretty much any conflict exists. Difference of opinion. Or bigotry, I suppose. People believe that there is only ever one correct choice, and one wrong choice. Almost nothing in life is as black and white as that. Some people, innocently enough, just say to use what works for them without really having any information as to why someone chose or wants something different. Things like CFW wars unfortunately will never go away. People recently like to hate on Luma3DS because of Rosalina and the bugs it introduced. The thing with software development is that there is no such thing as 100% bug free. It's mostly that issues never crop up or are so far beyond edge case as to be near unfixable. Another thing I've seen thrown around is that the Nintendo Card Management software, or whatever the hell it's called, is now crashing because of Rosalina. From what I've gathered this is not true, it's always done so, you're just now more privy to it because of the error handler present in Luma3DS/Rosalina. Just because you saw no ill effects before doesn't mean it didn't exist.
I personally use Luma3DS. Why? Because I don't really want to take the chance of screwing up my console. I'm also a lazy piece of shit. I don't tell people to use it though, nor do I preach from upon high about how godly Aurora/Luma3DS is. If development on Luma3DS stops, for whatever reason, then I will look into other CFWs but will most likely go with CrimsonMaple's ReiNAND. However, people like Lilith Valentine want more fine tuned control of their system, that's fine, of course. The target "audience" of Luma3DS is not her or people like her and she should (and does) use something different. She doesn't need any guidance though on what's right for her as she's smart enough to think about what she wants and needs and then find it, other people should use the resources that exist. I'm not sure how up to date they are though, now that Boot9Strap is a thing.
There's no such thing as a "best option" in this case. Everyone has different needs and desires. People say that because of the features implemented with no way to disable them, and that with Boot9Strap only Luma3DS supported it out of the box, so people think they were in on some conspiracy nonsense in order to snuff out any competition.
Not really 100% true. It is easy to use and does work well, however Plailect's guide has some bearing on it's popularity as well. Of course zealotry and word of mouth have their places also, but I prefer to ignore the whole zealotry thing, despite bringing it up twice in this post. However I'm just splitting hairs
Personally I'm glad we can finally get a standardized, sane environment for .3dsx homebrew and chainloaders. It makes things comfy and nice.
Having a not shit way for using .3dsx apps is my favorite thing added to luma
Please don't bring your bullshit here.
i mean, you do what you want with your system. multiple cfws can be misleading, indeed - but if you are a regular user, you won't need to worry about that, because, if you ask "what's the best CFW for me to play my backups?" or "to hack my game?" they are going to say Luma, since it's an user friendly CFW. if someone wants to get further into cfws and experiment other things, they'd ask what else they can do with their system, and get recommendations about it. i mean, if there's another cfw that isn't luma, it surely has something that luma don't. nobody would simply do a cfw for the reason of copying luma. if it's either for exploring, debugging, or any reason, there's a reason, at very least. and just because there is another CFW, doesn't mean people should stop researching on other ways to make another CFW. it's basically telling "don't make a new OS, we already have Windows, it's pretty complete.". the same thing apply to CFWs: Windows has things Linux don't, vice versa.
If someone wanted to know more about what they could do with their system, I'd still tell them to use Luma, as it does have more features than any other CFW especially in terms of debugging. Crash something when playing around with a system module? You get a nice dump telling you exactly where it broke. Want to pause a game or program during execution to view the memory? You can do that too. No other public CFW has those features.
More fined grain control, maybe, but no additional features.
I haven't cared about the 3ds scene in a while, but I remember when having to switch over from CakesFW over to Luma I remember complaining about luma being "too safe". When It calls (called?) itself the "noob-proof custom firmware" it means (meant?) it limits you in what you can do overall. I'm sure this isn't the case anymore, especially with a9lh and b9s having come about.
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