Homebrew Do you feel that Nintendo should've gave a warning to CFW users before the banwave?

Should Nintendo have given a warning?

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  • No

    Votes: 44 25.1%
  • It would've been nice

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  • Why would they?

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Bedel

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...or if the company which created the console (Nintendo in this case) purposely thinks your nation has bad choice in video games and doesn't release their games and console there, so you MANAGE to buy a console, but buying dem games is waaayyy too expensive. So THEN what do you do? Fucking pirate, of course.
Dude, there's no excuse for stealing. I know how dificult is to buy some things in some places, but stil. Also, it's region free. You can buy the games wherever you want to, even from whatever eshop you want. To take something that's not yours and not to pay for it is ilegal, and you have no right (and won't ever had) to decide why could you not pay other's work.
 

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Dude, there's no excuse for stealing. I know how dificult is to buy some things in some places, but stil. Also, it's region free. You can buy the games wherever you want to, even from whatever eshop you want. To take something that's not yours and not to pay for it is ilegal, and you have no right (and won't ever had) to decide why could you not pay other's work.
*ahem ahem* Wii U. Region locked, and over-priced games if shipped from abroad to india. only recently did they come in India, that too the wrong fucking region for my wii u >_<

and for "eshop" games. They require a US credit card, as Indian ones don't work with it, and a website which gives us eshop gift cards requires double the money is Indian RS. so either ways, OVERPRICED.
 
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*ahem ahem* Wii U. Region locked, and over-priced games if shipped from abroad to india. only recently did they come in India, that too the wrong fucking region for my wii u >_<

and for "eshop" games. They require a US credit card, as Indian ones don't work with it, and a website which gives us eshop gift cards requires double the money is Indian RS. so either ways, OVERPRICED.
1) We are still talking about Switch, don't say about WiiU.
2) Well then if you can't buy those game, then don't have them. It's easy. You still have not right to steal them.
 

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Last week:
Hey, SigHax has been released, we now can do LITERALLY anything we want with it.
Join the SigHax master race!

Next day:
Nintendo's banning everyone world wide. Not even the "master race" were saved from this ban wave.

Yes they deserve it. And no they shouldn't warn us about this. Because when you bought and connected your device to the Nintendo servers, you AGREED ON NOT USING ILLEGAL SOFTWARE.
So...
 
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They did give us a warning. MULTIPLE warnings actually. These warnings are in the Terms of Service, End User License Agreement, the e-manuals for the DSiWare games and 3DS games, and are literally on the back of EVERY Nintendo DS and 3DS game box.
 
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If I only agreed to buy 10 games on the condition that I get 20 other games that I don't want as much as for free, isn't that a net good? Are you saying that they'd rather have me buy no games instead of 10? Truth is that I don't enjoy video games as much anymore. I'm not getting enough value from them, especially this past generation. Do you know how many games I have bought and didn't even play? I need other games to make up for those because I can't return them. The truth is that it's either piracy, or nothing at all, or I only buy used games, which don't help the developers either. Weirder alternatives are I only rent games, which they get very little from. Or I find myself a roommate/friend with the games and play theirs. Piracy is no worse than any of these other legal options. In fact, the piracy option actually provides the with the most money. Piracy is the most ethical thing for me to do in this case. I have been paying my fair share.
 
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If I only agreed to buy 10 games on the condition that I get 20 other games that I don't want as much as for free, isn't that a net good? Are you saying that they'd rather have me buy no games instead of 10? Truth is that I don't enjoy video games as much anymore. I'm not getting enough value from them, especially this past generation. Do you know how many games I have bought and didn't even play? I need other games to make up for those because I can't return them. The truth is that it's either piracy, or nothing at all, or I only buy used games, which don't help the developers either. Weirder alternatives are I only rent games, which they get very little from. Or I find myself a roommate/friend with the games and play theirs. Piracy is no worse than any of these other legal options. In fact, the piracy option actually provides the with the most money. Piracy is the most ethical thing for me to do in this case. I have been paying my fair share.
^^THIS
I actually bought pikmin 3, and nintendo land because of my piracy testing.
 
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If I only agreed to buy 10 games on the condition that I get 20 other games that I don't want as much as for free, isn't that a net good? Are you saying that they'd rather have me buy no games instead of 10? Truth is that I don't enjoy video games as much anymore. I'm not getting enough value from them, especially this past generation. Do you know how many games I have bought and didn't even play? I need other games to make up for those because I can't return them. The truth is that it's either piracy, or nothing at all, or I only buy used games, which don't help the developers either. Weirder alternatives are I only rent games, which they get very little from. Or I find myself a roommate/friend with the games and play theirs. Piracy is no worse than any of these other legal options. In fact, the piracy option actually provides the with the most money. Piracy is the most ethical thing for me to do in this case. I have been paying my fair share.
Were you welcomed to the sophist club already?
 

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Were you welcomed to the sophist club already?

Are you calling my argument bad? I'm just being pragmatic. First priority should maximizing the total enjoyment of others and myself. This means maximizing the money the community gets at large, while maximizing my perceived value. You can't deny this. Developers, publishers, and the like want to be paid. Customers want to receive something of more value than they pay. People only buy things when the price is lower than the value, otherwise they feel ripped off.

Now, you could argue that my piracy based system unfairly distributes the money to developers. What happens is people making games first, even of lower quality, get more of the money than people making games later in the life of the system. If you want to be an early adopter, you have to buy overpriced games that aren't that good. Should you wait for more games to come out and prices to fall? If everyone did that, the system would never get enough momentum and they wouldn't even get around to making most of the games. Encouraging me to save money through any legal mean possible produces less overall value. It hurts the community. You have to be practical here, not worry so much about fairness to individuals but for the greater good. If I were to say choose an option like wait for game prices to drop so I could buy all the games, I'd actually lose interest and not buy any.

The real solution to this problem is a subscription service. Games should be sold like Netflix. The developers get money in proportion to how much people actually play. If I play one game in a month, the service takes their cut, and the rest go all to that game. If I play three equally, it gets divided up equally. The only truly fair ways are subscriptions like this or pay what you want pricing models. Legal alternatives are not any better for the industry as a whole, though may be slightly fairer for some publishers versus others. They aren't convenient enough though and this is a major problem. They encourage people to play less and hence get used to not playing games.

Here's the hard truth. I have better things to do with my life than video games. I need to become much less lazy, work much harder, become healthier and more successful. If I get used to not having video games, I won't come back. Don't go around telling people that they should just wait until prices go down or things like that. If they do, they will end up not wanting the game anymore at all. There is nothing fallacious about this argument. This is fact. Nintendo is in trouble. They have to compete with all other forms of entertainment. Why should I even buy a video game if I can watch someone else play it on YouTube? If I'm paying so much money for TV why should I watch less TV for the same price to play video games? Why should I buy expensive Nintendo video games when mobile games are so much cheaper? You could argue that playing the good games is a better experience, but saving money could buy you even better experiences.

I'm in the process of giving up video games. No piracy would only accelerate that process. How is that good? People can't spend more than they can spend.
 
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Dude, there's no excuse for stealing. I know how dificult is to buy some things in some places, but stil. Also, it's region free. You can buy the games wherever you want to, even from whatever eshop you want. To take something that's not yours and not to pay for it is ilegal, and you have no right (and won't ever had) to decide why could you not pay other's work.

The excuse is having to pay up the ass for games in some countries. If they can't afford them or have to sell an arm or leg just for one game because of inflation or price of currency or w/e then there is really no loss for the company and devs as there is no fucking way that person is buying that game. I only take issue when people mass pirate all their shit but can easily afford games, pirate indies or when it gets to PSP mass levels of piracy. pls understand
 

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