UPDATE: Regarding the recent 3DS banwave

fb-3ds-400x400.jpg

It appears that users are being banned from 3DS online services, en masse. There's no direct cause right now, and seemingly no linking factor. This post is meant as an announcement for users, to be wary, and that GBAtemp will keep you updated as soon as more info rolls in. If you have been banned, please post in the thread below, and we will try to keep tabs on the situation. To be extra sure, it can't hurt to turn off your 3DS's wireless capabilities, so you might as well do that for now.

Edit 1: it appears that e-Shop access isn't restricted if you are banned.

Edit 2: A caller to Nintendo reported that the company said this ban is due to "unauthorized software usage".

Edit 3: @LinkSoraZelda is collecting info. Contact him if you are banned.

Edit 4: Click and fill this out if you were BANNED.

Edit 5:
[11:28:19 PM] Clector: Curiously the page of that error in Nintendo Support website used to have this:Error Code: 002-0102 Situation: You receive the error code 002-0102 when attempting to connect online. What to Do: If you continue to experience this issue, please contact Nintendo by calling 1-800-255-3700. Representatives are available from 6 a.m. to 7 p.m., Pacific Time, 7 days a week.
[11:28:44 PM] Clector: Now it says this: What to Do: If you are experiencing this error code, your Nintendo 3DS family system has been banned due to unauthorized system modifications, play of unauthorized versions of one or more games, and/or connecting to the official game servers in violation of our terms of service. This ban is effective immediately and requests to remove the ban will not be processed.
Thanks to @Joom

Edit 6: Aurora Wright is taking another poll here

Edit 7: Not a lot is known but

There are bans happening, they are happening in all regions.
All models in the 3ds family seem to be candidates for banning.
There is no indication they will be anything other than permanent.
A game or DLC may end up being a cause but there is no one game or DLC that ties banned users together.
The cause or causes are as yet unknown, though it does seem to be related to modifications. Reports of unmodified consoles being banned are as yet unproven.
The banning is tied to something you can modify, thus you can unban. Doing it while the causes are unknown is likely only going to burn a working token though.
There are semi public tokens out there, Nintendo knows how to browse a forum as well as you so don't be surprised if they also get banned.
It does not seem to be limited to a given base firmware version, it does not seem to be limited to any one custom firmware type. There is some speculation that older hacking methods are not being hit as hard but nothing to confirm this yet.
The data collection could have happened this morning, or it could have been months in the making.
A simple check to see is checking your friends list, by itself it will not ban you.
Some are turning their wifi off. It is doubtful this will be of much use and being banned does not seem to come with any downsides that wifi being off will not also mimic.
You may have escaped a ban thus far but it could happen at any point. It could be that they stop in the future, it has happened on other consoles, but you would be living in hope rather than any particularly well founded logic.
The bans are done on the side of Nintendo's servers rather than your 3ds so there is also that.

If you hack your devices/games then their online functionality may be troubled. This has been known for decades, Nintendo seems to have finally caught up with that.

Please continue to share information with the thread or the links in previous edits.

Update 5/30

HOW TO HELP AVOID BANS (we think)​

If I was to guess from the information we have gathered since the ban wave, it seems likely that they are looking for TitleIDs that don't exist. Homebrew shows up in the activity log as the Download Play app, and fake CIA's show up as just ??????. That last one is what I'm guessing they are looking for.

If you are not banned yet or before you unban yourself, go into your friends list, choose settings, and turn off the option to "show friends what game you are playing." This will prevent you from playing games online with friends, so turn it back on when you wanna game with someone, but ALWAYS keep it off when running custom CIAs. Next, go into system settings -> internet settings -> spotpass, and turn off BOTH options. One is auto download software, the other sends system information to Nintendo. Also, make sure you don't have your favorite title set to something stupid like FBI or any other non-Nintendo CIA.

Its VERY likely that these options are what tipped off Nintendo, but we aren't 100% certain yet. The amount of banned people that had one of these options turned on was over 80% for each. If I was to assume that some of those people overlap, its very possible (but not confirmed) that 100% of banned people in the survey had at least one of those options turned on. I personally had all of them off and I have TONS of reasons for Nintendo to ban me.... yet I am not banned (yet).

Another bit of advice: Only run custom CIAs when offline, and after you close them, run a "legit" game like Smash Bros. or something before shutting down or going back online. This way your most recent title won't show up as a fake CIA

Current Theories as to what causes a ban
* SpotPass Settings: 8 users out of 46 users that were banned have SpotPass completely shut off, or SpotPass only (no friends list visibility)
* Firmware Version (Luma, Nintendo): Literally all reports ranged from 10.2+, I can get exact numbers for this if you'd like, but all firmwares were affected.
* Firmware Type (A9LH, B9S): 44 of the 126 B9S users that answered were banned, pattern was mirrored for A9LH users as well.
* Homebrew Titles such as FBI, HBL, Luma Updater, Themely, and freeShop: Literally about 98% of users both banned and unbanned had some combination of these applications installed. However the common ones were: FBI, HBL, LumaUpdater and NTR.
* Save Modification: Equal amounts of users on both sides have reported save modification in some form, either with PKSM or another save editor
* System Transfers: 188 users said that they had not previously system transfered, 61 of those users were banned; 16 users said they transferred from a hacked console, only three of them received a ban; 13 said they transferred from a stock system and likewise were banned. The rest of our sample did not answer this question.
* Activity Log Information: A majority of those who have not been banned have said they had NOT cleaned their activity logs. I can get exact numbers for this too on request.

This information is just what I've found. Like I said, there could be variables or things we haven't even checked for yet. But these are things that I feel should be disproven, at least with the current dataset we have.

  • From the information that we've gathered from some people that have used a packet sniffer such as WireShark, the following data is sent to Nintendo's online gaming servers as soon as the 3DS connects to the internet:
    • Amount of time spent online (timer stops when either the system is disconnected from the internet, or connection drops out, then starts the timer again in a new session when it reconnects to the internet).
    • The game being played and amount of time spent on it during that session.
    • The console's unique hexadecimal ID used in the LocalFriendCodeSeedB, along with it's RSA-signed signature.
    • The console's serial number in which is broadcasted from the SoC and is hard coded in the SoC.
    • Friend Code generated on the Nintendo 3DS system, if one has been generated.
    • Internet connection status (either online or offline).
    • The Nintendo Network ID, if there is one linked to it.
    • Even if the sending of SpotPass Information is switched off, or even hiding your currently playing games. It does not prevent the system from sending currently playing information to Nintendo's online gaming servers, it only hides it from your friends in your friend list (like being invisible on the forum, while mods and admins can still see you). Why? Because even people without a Friend Code on their system have been getting banned too!

  • The following data is NOT sent to Nintendo's online gaming servers:
    • The data from the Nintendo 3DS's Activity Log. Oddly enough, while Nintendo does explicitly state that they collect Activity Log data, they're actually referring to their own server's Activity Log, which always tracks every console's online activity, and keeps a record of them that is stored forever. And is only collected in increments of data through a timer and a currently playing list.
    • Games or apps that have not been played, regardless if they're legitimate or not. You only get tracked when you're online and using that game or app.
    • Using games or apps while offline. Even though it is stored on the 3DS console's Activity Log, that data is NOT sent to Nintendo's online gaming servers.
    • Custom Firmware. Though we can't rule out the possibility of them releasing a 3DS update in the future that adds such function to collect MD5 hashes of files and FIRM data and send them to Nintendo online gaming servers (which would also be updated in a maintenance).

  • Things that people think what happens with consoles, but really doesn't:
    • "LocalFriendCodeSeedB is transferred to the system upon doing a system transfer". This is false, the LocalFriendCodeSeedB remains on the system and does not move to another system.
    • "The console generates a LocalFriendCodeSeedB upon first startup". Again, this is false, the LocalFriendCodeSeedB is made during the manufacturing process at Foxconn. It is generated at the factory, flashed to the NAND flash memory storage, then created as an account on Nintendo's online gaming server and Nintendo eShop server immediately when being manufactured. It is absolutely impossible to generate a LocalFriendCodeSeedB and be able to connect to Nintendo's online gaming server and/or Nintendo eShop server, even if you knew the RSA generation key for it. You'd end up with Error Code 002-0102 "This console's online services have been restricted by Nintendo" if you even tried (the error can either mean two things: The hexadecimal ID doesn't exist on the server, or the request to access the hexadecimal ID has been denied which in other words... banned). So a LocalFriendCodeSeedB generator will NEVER happen! Because it's not worth doing, if it can't connect.
    • Switching off "Currently Playing" information. Once again, this does not hide your online activity from Nintendo's online gaming server, it only hides it from your friends.
    • Switching off SpotPass. Nope, this too doesn't hide your online activity from Nintendo's online gaming server, it only opts-out of receiving SpotPass data, sorry.

So pretty much the bottom line is, if anyone has been using custom apps and/or titles not installed through Nintendo eShop while online in the past, guess what? You're screwed! And it is only a matter of time before your console's unique hexadecimal ID in the LocalFriendCodeSeedB is banned from Nintendo's online gaming server. This will mean, your console can't access the Friend List or play any online functions in games.

If you have been online while using custom apps and/or titles not installed through Nintendo eShop and haven't been banned yet, that's because Nintendo hasn't caught up to you yet. They're still going through each unique hexadecimal ID's Activity Log on their server, and by Activity Log, I mean the Activity Log on their server, not the 3DS console's activity log. And it will be only a matter of time before you're banned too.

Thanks to @Platinum Lucario @MadMageKefka and @ShadowEO !
 

Olmectron

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Dec 31, 2012
Messages
2,657
Trophies
2
Age
31
Location
A game
XP
3,855
Country
Mexico
I suppose, considering every OTHER time Nintendo said "we'll keep supporting the old console" in the past (with the NES and the GBA), they ended up ceasing said support after a few years
Though DS and Wii services were ended because they were using an old online connection system. The one used for 3DS and Wii U seems to also be used for Switch, so Nintendo doesn't have any real reason to shut it down. I'm not sure how it works exactly, though, so I could be completely wrong

Was it actually said on whether this ban affects Miiverse? Aside from a potential release of a new Pokemon game, that's the only other thing I would use online for these days...
Only online gaming. You can still access Miiverse and eShop.
 

Slashkin

Active Member
Newcomer
Joined
May 26, 2017
Messages
37
Trophies
0
Age
32
XP
140
Country
Russia
We got at least 10 banned and 4 unbanned people in our play community. One of banned haven't any of cfw, homebrew of any editor, he asked ninsupport about that problem :з
I dont got ban (yet). Have old 3ds 11.4 with a9hl and luma + hardmode and new3ds 11.4 with a9hl and luma (soundhack).
Used freeshop, used save editor in pokemon 6-7 gen, ACNL, used cia installers. Turned off Wi-Fi after news about banwave (1 day left before start wave). And I dont used dodlebomb.
Hope this will helpful.
 

Broutowicz

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Apr 15, 2017
Messages
175
Trophies
0
Age
41
XP
115
Country
United States
Is nintendo always going to be banning from now on or is this banwave going to be a one time thing over the span of a few days or even weeks?
 

Olmectron

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Dec 31, 2012
Messages
2,657
Trophies
2
Age
31
Location
A game
XP
3,855
Country
Mexico
We got at least 10 banned and 4 unbanned people in our play community. One of banned haven't any of cfw, homebrew of any editor, he asked ninsupport about that problem :з
I dont got ban (yet). Have old 3ds 11.4 with a9hl and luma + hardmode and new3ds 11.4 with a9hl and luma (soundhack).
Used freeshop, used save editor in pokemon 6-7 gen, ACNL, used cia installers. Turned off Wi-Fi after news about banwave (1 day left before start wave). And I dont used dodlebomb.
Hope this will helpful.
Hi. Are you saying a friend of yours with OFW got banned? Can you put a video proof showing the SD card contents, insert it to the 3DS and boot? Then showing the ban error code?

--------------------- MERGED ---------------------------

Is nintendo always going to be banning from now on or is this banwave going to be a one time thing over the span of a few days or even weeks?
None knows.

EDIT: Well, the Nintendo programmers that made the ban algorithm know, but it's not like they'd share that info here.
 

Broutowicz

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Apr 15, 2017
Messages
175
Trophies
0
Age
41
XP
115
Country
United States
Hi. Are you saying a friend of yours with OFW got banned? Can you put a video proof showing the SD card contents, insert it to the 3DS and boot? Then showing the ban error code?

--------------------- MERGED ---------------------------


None knows.
Thats really weird if thats the case
 

SkittleDash

Head Nurse
Member
Joined
Oct 21, 2015
Messages
1,863
Trophies
2
Age
28
Location
Storm Border
XP
1,064
Country
Japan
Another user on gbatemp is selling a few seeds too, $15 for one seed lmao

There's so many things I could spend $15 on other than a unbanned seed that will probably be banned within an hour of usage. lol
 

Dracari

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Apr 5, 2009
Messages
1,985
Trophies
1
XP
2,465
Country
United States
Is nintendo always going to be banning from now on or is this banwave going to be a one time thing over the span of a few days or even weeks?
this could be a perma thing. something they leave to a bot as they've bene collecting data to learn out habbits for awhile now
 

toberkel

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Nov 21, 2016
Messages
184
Trophies
0
Location
Germany
XP
164
Country
Germany
I literally said 'this is just speculation' after I wrote 'your system is fine' It is a guess.

But... you had to quote just the first part. Regardless. I will stop responding to you.
Oh, sorry, didn't saw that
somebody mind answering me some questions?

1) is it just na, or other regions too?
2) only B9 users?

1) All regions. Nintendo is spreading love everywhere.
2) Nope, all. (even heard about people with stock systems and without homebrew or anything got banned, but I DON'T HAVE PROOF FOR IT!)
 

Veranek

Well-Known Member
Member
Joined
Oct 25, 2016
Messages
156
Trophies
0
XP
227
Country
United States
Oh, sorry, didn't saw that


1) All regions. Nintendo is spreading love everywhere.
2) Nope, all. (even heard about people with stock systems and without homebrew or anything got banned, but I DON'T HAVE PROOF FOR IT!)

I believe that reply was intended for another user toberkel, sorrry.
 

Slashkin

Active Member
Newcomer
Joined
May 26, 2017
Messages
37
Trophies
0
Age
32
XP
140
Country
Russia
>Hi. Are you saying a friend of yours with OFW got banned? Can you put a video proof showing the SD card contents, insert it to the 3DS and boot? Then showing the ban error code?
No problem, but not now - he is working at that moment.
 

Site & Scene News

Popular threads in this forum

General chit-chat
Help Users
  • The Real Jdbye @ The Real Jdbye:
    LLMs can be run on cpu anyway but it's quite slow
  • BakerMan @ BakerMan:
    Have you ever been beaten by a wet spaghetti noodle by your girlfriend because she has a twin sister, and you got confused and fucked her dad?
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    I had a girlfriend who had a twin sister and they would mess with me constantly.... Until one chipped a tooth then finally I could tell them apart.... Lol
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    They would have the same hair style the same clothes everything... Really messed with my head lol
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    @The Real Jdbye, I could see AMD trying to pull off the CPU GPU tandem thing, would be a way to maybe close the gap a bit with Nvidia. Plus it would kinda put Nvidia at a future disadvantage since Nvidia can't make X86/64 CPUs? Intel and AMD licensing issues... I wonder how much that has held back innovation.
  • The Real Jdbye @ The Real Jdbye:
    i don't think nvidia wants to get in the x64 cpu market anyways
  • The Real Jdbye @ The Real Jdbye:
    you've seen how much intel is struggling getting into the gpu market
  • The Real Jdbye @ The Real Jdbye:
    and nvidia is already doing ARM
  • The Real Jdbye @ The Real Jdbye:
    i don't think they want to take more focus away from their gpus
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    Yeah I think Nvidia s future lays in AI GPU acceleration stuff if they can get that going it's going to be super interesting in the long term
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    AI assisted game creation might become a thing
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    At least that's something I think would be pretty cool.
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    Don some VR glasses and gloves and talk to the computer and paint entire worlds
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    "OK Cortana I want that mountain a little taller and more snow on top, and I would like some random ancient pine forest around the bottom"
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    "Now we need a spring fed river flowing down the north side and add some wild life appropriate for the biome"
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    Many TBs of assets and the programming of something like that is going to be tough but I think it's something we might see in 20 years maybe sooner
  • The Real Jdbye @ The Real Jdbye:
    @Psionic Roshambo AI assisted game creation is kinda already here, there was recently that AI that can turn any 2D image into a fully modeled 3D object, it's not perfect, but it's a starting point, beats starting from zero
    +1
  • The Real Jdbye @ The Real Jdbye:
    before that there was one to generate a fully modeled scene from a 2D image
    +1
  • The Real Jdbye @ The Real Jdbye:
    but most recently, there was one that actually generates a working unity scene with terrain and textures already set up that you can import right into unity, that's a huge time saver right there
    +1
  • The Real Jdbye @ The Real Jdbye:
    and using LLMs to generate NPC dialogue and even dynamically generated quests is something i'm sure is already happening
    +1
  • The Real Jdbye @ The Real Jdbye:
    will just take some time for games made using those things to be completed and released
    +1
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    @The Real Jdbye, it's bed bath and beyond you nitwit
    K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2: