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Terror attack in UK, Manchester

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Good point. I believe however, that seeing all odds are against you and you might fail in your task can make you feel apprehensive. Also, not all of them are suicide bombers. Most are gunmen. You can't help with everything, that's a fact. However, you can find ways to make things as safe as you can.

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Yes, but how exactly do you solve the problem from its roots? Banning the entrance of all Muslims wouldn't be the right thing to do. Most Muslims just wish for peace, like you and I.
Honestly it's the same principle as cance, if your unable to effectively isolate and remove the cancer itself unfortunately for the sake of lives drastic action that's to be taken, I have the greatest sympathy for anyone and everyone who 100% denounces the vile crap ideology but I feel things have to be done, there has to be some threat, some deterrence that would make those idiots think twice about what they are doing, be it deportation of their family or whatever, I know that sounds terrible to threaten the family of these cowards, but there has to be something that we can hang over their heads that still stands even if the do die in their attack that would make them think .....actually, even though I'm ready to die for a stupid cause, I don't want my friends/family to pay the price


This has been a tactic since as far back a time itself pretty much, I'm not saying kill people, I'm saying try to find something/ anything that is "scary" enough that fellow muslims have the guts to properly report anyone spreading/showing signs of radicalisation, I would definitely prefer 1000 deported innocent people over 100 dead innocent people
 

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22 dead / 59 injured.. its my town.... i know people that were there.... luckily ok. RIP.
Same here mate - well, I'm just up the road.... everyone I know who was there is safe, doesn't make me feel any better about the whole thing ...at an Ariana Grande concert, full of kids?! 'Fuming' doesn't get anywhere near to how I'm feeling about this right now....
 

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Good point. I believe however, that seeing all odds are against you and you might fail in your task can make you feel apprehensive. Also, not all of them are suicide bombers. Most are gunmen. You can't help with everything, that's a fact. However, you can find ways to make things as safe as you can.

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Yes, but how exactly do you solve the problem from its roots? Banning the entrance of all Muslims wouldn't be the right thing to do. Most Muslims just wish for peace, like you and I.

but you do know what a suicide bomber is, right?

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now lets wait for the terrorist to be revealed as a brexit supporter who's trying to keep the rage up against eu and its open border politics or something.
 

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The West is at war but little to no one want to admit or realise it, instead we just carry on as if never happened.

In US multiple people were stabbed in Oregon - https://www.usnews.com/news/best-st...-after-multiple-people-stabbed-at-oregon-home

Civilization is going to the pits.

you call this war?
almost 200.000 civilians died during the iraq war. this is childsplay. terrible and unfortunate for anyone involved, but childsplay compared to numbers occuring in actual war and war-like states.
 

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but you do know what a suicide bomber is, right?

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now lets wait for the terrorist to be revealed as a brexit supporter who's trying to keep the rage up against eu and its open border politics or something.
Suicide bombers aren't afraid of death, but they are afraid of failure. More people around = chances of him failing multiplying
 

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Suicide bombers aren't afraid of death, but they are afraid of failure. More people around = chances of him failing multiplying

how? again, you don't see a suicide bomber before he causes his explosion. not under normal circumstances.
you could nab him before he tries his bombing through investigations and intel, but basically guards dont do a thing to prevent this kind of thing.

you're not going to pat down everyone who wants to visit every concert or place in the world. and even if you were going for that, they'd just be able to chose an easier target. like college campuses, libraries, a bus, hell, videogame stores.
and it doesnt take much prepwork either. in the us, getting a gun is laughably easy. but even a car will do. or 5 bucks worth of gas smuggled into a place with burnable material in a bottle. or a knife.

looking at it through the eyes of someone who wants to kill people by killing himself, the world is filled with countless targets and no precaution in the world can prevent 100%, or even just most attempts.

the reason you're not seeing 200 terrorist attacks every day is, there's simply not enough terrorists to go around.

this is a battle of endurance and you're going to have to endure the few hundred that will still die in these small size 'attacks'. you'll have to endure it without keeling over and without overreacting too. cause terrorism is a tactic used by the weak. its a tactic to go to when you cant hurt your enemy in any other way, by trying to leave a lasting impression, instead of leaving actual calamity. and its success is entirely decided by how the enemy reacts to it.
go to war in iraq, creating a whole generation thats angry at the west and praying for revenge with those 200000 dead civilians, or sucking it up and making sure other potential attackers see this isnt working, while not creating yet another generation of potential hostiles.
 
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Not to mention the sickos in those conflicts often use children as human shield by setting up camps in/next door schools/hospitals as they know they can hide behind them
kind of reminds me of these upstanding citizens
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bundy-ranch-women-human-shield

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And this is what religion in its most extreme form does to people...

This will never stop unfortunately for as long as there's people.

with religion gone, something else would advance to its position.
you cant have humanity without diverging ideologies. and you cant have humans disagree on anything without some being willing to kill to prove they're right
 
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Again people will always try to make justifications by making comparisons to Iraq and Afghanistan, and how it's not as bad. I'm already seeing such behaviour on this thread.

Any terrorist attack is bad regardless of the number of casualties. Also, this is about the terrorist attack in Manchester arena, so let's not hijack this thread by posting other stuff, and discussing war in Iraq, and Afghanistan. We owe it to the people who experienced such traumatic event.
 
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Yeah it's a very common practice in conflicts with idiots, you seem very intent of defending/justifying such people and their actions though......because Yano, they had it hard too......well actually not them .....but welll....someone else did who they didn't know.....so yeah who can blame this idiot for killing a bunch of kids because yeah someon had a hard time somewhere who shared a religion with him

And the key difference is hiding behind kids is one thing, purposefully going out of your way to target them is something else

Anyways, I'm done on the topic, I ain't got no time for debating if terrorists can be justified, fuck the cunt who did it and my condolances go out to the families of the victims
 
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how? again, you don't see a suicide bomber before he causes his explosion. not under normal circumstances.
you could nab him before he tries his bombing through investigations and intel, but basically guards dont do a thing to prevent this kind of thing.

you're not going to pat down everyone who wants to visit every concert or place in the world. and even if you were going for that, they'd just be able to chose an easier target. like college campuses, libraries, a bus, hell, videogame stores.
and it doesnt take much prepwork either. in the us, getting a gun is laughably easy. but even a car will do. or 5 bucks worth of gas smuggled into a place with burnable material in a bottle. or a knife.

looking at it through the eyes of someone who wants to kill people by killing himself, the world is filled with countless targets and no precaution in the world can prevent 100%, or even just most attempts.

the reason you're not seeing 200 terrorist attacks every day is, there's simply not enough terrorists to go around.

this is a battle of endurance and you're going to have to endure the few hundred that will still die in these small size 'attacks'. you'll have to endure it without keeling over and without overreacting too. cause terrorism is a tactic used by the weak. its a tactic to go to when you cant hurt your enemy in any other way, by trying to leave a lasting impression, instead of leaving actual calamity. and its success is entirely decided by how the enemy reacts to it.
go to war in iraq, creating a whole generation thats angry at the west and praying for revenge with those 200000 dead civilians, or sucking it up and making sure other potential attackers see this isnt working, while not creating yet another generation of potential hostiles.
As I said, you can't stop everything. No matter what. Bombers are hard or next to impossible to notice. However, most terrorists are not bombers, they are gunners. And gunners can be put down without much damage being done IF you have organized your security properly. Every try to help the problem means something.
 
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