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Why do you think both Democrats and Republicans rejected the bill? Because it's stupid and doesn't help anyone but the wealthy.

This may be but take a note from your own statement. "both Democrats and Republicans rejected the bill." There are still plans in motion to fix healthcare. They didn't let one moron come up with something, say that sucks and then drop the whole thing. You can't honestly tell me that Obamacare is worth keeping? Everyone has to have healthcare, that part is great. What's that? You can't afford healthcare, well then I'm going to penalize you and essentially take away your tax return. Wait a sec, you don't work at all and are on welfare and leeching off the government? That's a different story. I'm going to give you money for groceries, give you a cell phone, give you free healthcare, give you subsidized housing.

Punish the poor that try to make an honest living, makes sense.
 

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Obamacare is a mess I never said it wasn't I ask what has trump done? You guys are just assuming I am liberal that hates anything Republicans do which isn't true. Also I want to see trump do well because if he doesn't then it hurts all Americans. My point was the new bill is a disaster and will cause around 24 million more Americans to not be covered and in the first 2 phases will skyrocket premiums and costs to make them unafforable. Around 10-12 years later costs MAY go way down but a decade is too long to fix health care. These aren't my numbers the CBO released them. The health care needs to be a decision of both Democrats and Republicans and needs to be good for America and not just wealthy people. Hopefully trump can make this happen. He just needs to focus on the problems such as health care, jobs, the deficit etc. He doesn't need to be spouting lies about wiretapping without presenting proof or he's so mad at the press because the reveal his BS and get good ratings over it. For everyone on here I do not want to start a huge argument over politics on a gaming website. There's nothing we can do about it and our opinions and the facts will not change no matter what we say to each other. In just hope trump can do a good job and he isn't tied into Russia I'm a bad way.

As for repealing everything what has that done? I know it hasn't been very long and hopefully things do change for the better. Also that's not a good answer to any politic discussion.
I haven't assumed anything, nor am I implying such. Also, you make some good points, but obviously is being treated as a dumn-ass, and he's being bashed; why, because our fucking Government and a large amount of our people are just plain ignorant. Just give the man a change, I don't see how he can screw anything up~ and, him being a business man, he knows how to handle business. Sure, he can be offensive in some ways, but he means good. Also, Obama is nothing more than a Democratic, Hollywood, showoff. He did nothing good for America, nothing at all. He only fucked it up even more than it needed to be; and Trump is just trying to undo most, if not all, of what Obama has done.
 
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This may be but take a note from your own statement. "both Democrats and Republicans rejected the bill." There are still plans in motion to fix healthcare. They didn't let one moron come up with something, say that sucks and then drop the whole thing. You can't honestly tell me that Obamacare is worth keeping? Everyone has to have healthcare, that part is great. What's that? You can't afford healthcare, well then I'm going to penalize you and essentially take away your tax return. Wait a sec, you don't work at all and are on welfare and leeching off the government? That's a different story. I'm going to give you money for groceries, give you a cell phone, give you free healthcare, give you subsidized housing.

Punish the poor that try to make an honest living, makes sense.
Hey I don't want to keep obamacare just read my post a little more, also never said they aren't working together and one man came up with it. Not sure if you were trying to insult me but every Democrat and a portion of Republicans rejected the bill and my point was they need to combine forces and find something that works for everyone. They rushed a bill because trump said he would do it in the first 100 days. It needs to be closely examined and fixed and edited by both parties in the house and the Senate. Obamacare has to go but needs to be replaced without damaging peoples lives.

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I haven't assumed anything, nor am I implying such. Also, you make some good points, but obviously is being treated as a dumn-ass, and he's being bashed; why, because our fucking Government and a large amount of our people are just plain ignorant. Just give the man a change, I don't see how he can screw anything up~ and, him being a business man, he knows how to handle business. Sure, he can be offensive in some ways, but he means good. Also, Obama is nothing more than a Democratic, Hollywood, showoff. He did nothing good for America, nothing at all. He only fucked it up even more than it needed to be; and Trump is just trying to undo most, if not all, of what Obama has done.
I apologize I wasnt trying to start any kind of argument just giving my opinions and the facts that made me lean torwards those opinions.
 

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Hey I don't want to keep obamacare just read my post a little more, also never said they aren't working together and one man came up with it. Not sure if you were trying to insult me but every Democrat and a portion of Republicans rejected the bill and my point was they need to combine forces and find something that works for everyone. They rushed a bill because trump said he would do it in the first 100 days. It needs to be closely examined and fixed and edited by both parties in the house and the Senate. Obamacare has to go but needs to be replaced without damaging peoples lives.

Not trying to insult you, and honestly I got you mixed up with another user so I apologize for that. And I meant "one man" in a generality sense. I know it wasn't just one man and didn't mean that you thought it was only one man.
 
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Not trying to insult you, and honestly I got you mixed up with another user so I apologize for that. And I meant "one man" in a generality sense. I know it wasn't just one man and didn't mean that you thought it was only one man.
I do appreciate the civilized discussion from you and a few others about this subject because as you probably know people aren't easy to talk with on politics. I actually voted against Obama the first time but for the 2nd time I did. I don't like to be labeled Democrat or Republican because they both have good and bad. America needs unity between them to create the best government for Americans.
 
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The idea that Trump, Hillary or 99% of the house & senate are technically inclined to have a principled stance for or against privacy and advance such through policy is delusional.

There all being advised when it comes to issues like this and you need to look at someone far further down the ladder than Trump if there is a need to point a finger.

Both left & right are fairly hostile to freedom of net speech, neutrality and other tech freedom issues.
 

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What exactly HAS he done?...

Yeah, that democratically elected leader that received over 1 million fewer votes than his opponent!

Also you DO realize that judges swear an oath to uphold the Constitution when presiding, right? They're not just there to serve sentences, they keep our government in check

OMG! Hillary had 1 million more votes! Never mind that those votes were all from cities with a huge population density and also from illegal immigrants who are just now finding out that they'll be deported for illegaly entering a country as it should be! Never mind that people who enter the country legally get screwed.
Who cares about middle America? Let them rot, they're scum redneck farmers. We need more progressivism regardless of half the population's opinion! -> This is you.

If anything the US Voting system is fine as it is because it encourages touring the entire country instead of focusing 100% on densely populated areas. What would be the point of campaigning anywhere other than Washington, Texas, Florida and California if this system weren't in place?
 
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The electoral college is working as intended, so two large cities don't get to impose themselves on everyone else and a candidate has to have a broad support of states across the country.

Two wolves in L.A. & NY don't get to tell a sheep in Iowa what is for dinner.

And anyone with a fourth grade reading comprehension who isn't being a bias putz can clearly read that the Immigration and Nationality act quote, "Gives the President the authority to suspend visas/immigration of ANY CLASS of alien they believe are a detriment to the interests of the United States." They aren't required to be PC about it or give a reason or justification whatsoever.

expressly authorized the president to suspend the immigration of any person, class of people or group of people into the United States for public health, public safety or national security reasons.

It's one of the few clearly defined powers of the President. Every President since FDR has suspended someone at some point.

Here is a quote from lefty bias LA Times,
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-travel-ban-legal-analysis-20170206-story.html
Fortunately for Trump, the law on immigration and related matters favors the president. Legal precedents have traditionally accorded the chief executive complete and nearly unchecked power to deny foreigners permission to enter the United States.
 
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OMG! Hillary had 1 million more votes! Never mind that those votes were all from cities with a huge population density and also from illegal immigrants who are just now finding out that they'll be deported for illegaly entering a country as it should be! Never mind that people who enter the country legally get screwed.
Who cares about middle America? Let them rot, they're scum redneck farmers. We need more progressivism regardless of half the population's opinion! -> This is you.

If anything the US Voting system is fine as it is because it encourages touring the entire country instead of focusing 100% on densely populated areas. What would be the point of campaigning anywhere other than Washington, Texas, Florida and California if this system weren't in place?
Are you seriously actually buying into the whole "millions voted illegally" thing? Voter registration exists for a reason. And I AM a lower-middle class American, though I doubt you care, since it's easier just to make up a preconceived image of the person you're opposing
 

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VPNs are shit due to man in the middle issues. See https://tails.boum.org/support/faq/index.en.html#index21h2 which in short goes over the big issues with them.
I see no man in the middle issue here? Are you referring to the fact VPN providers know the origin and destination IPs? Although most good VPNs don't keep these records, yes majority of them do. This is quite different from "man in the middle" though. And if you are referring to SSL certificates, that has nothing to do with VPNs in general. You should always make sure your certificates are secure.
 
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Funnily, if you ask any of the congressmen who voted for this about their stance on personal privacy, they will claim to be "staunch defenders of privacy" and "will fight against any attempt to infringe upon it".



Well, I guess it's not really "ha ha" funny.
 
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It's not repealing.
With this action, the law will stay the same.
If they had done nothing, the law would have changed in favor of citizens.
Which still isn't good, but the headline is sensationalist. Nothing will change.

For things to change, they would need to pass a law saying ISP customer doesn't have a privacy interest in various types of information (zip code, device(s) used, time used, services/protocol used, websites visited), that your ISP could then sell to the highest bidder.
 

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Are you seriously actually buying into the whole "millions voted illegally" thing? Voter registration exists for a reason. And I AM a lower-middle class American, though I doubt you care, since it's easier just to make up a preconceived image of the person you're opposing

Are you seriously denying DNC are operatives are on video, openly gloating and admitting to loading people on to Bus's and taking them from district to district to vote, as well as paying people to instigate violence and riots?



Are you seriously denying that California and NY issues valid ID (which they don't require anyways) to illegal aliens, and Obama encouraged illegals to vote and said they wont be caught the week of the election?

When liberals refuse to enforce immigration law, don't pretend anyone should believe when they say that are enforcing voting laws.
 

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Are you seriously denying DNC are operatives are on video, openly gloating and admitting to loading people on to Bus's and taking them from district to district to vote, as well as paying people to instigate violence and riots?



Are you seriously denying that California and NY issues valid ID (which they don't require anyways) to illegal aliens, and Obama encouraged illegals to vote and said they wont be caught the week of the election?

When liberals refuse to enforce immigration law, don't pretend anyone should believe when they say that are enforcing voting laws.

Since you insist on arguing about this, how is it then that Clinton lost, considering Trumps target demographic was middle-aged/elderly white people

*The DNC heads* "Ah yes, our master plan! We're going to lose the election that we rigged! And then? WE COMPLAAAAAIIIN!"
 

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Since you insist on arguing about this, how is it then that Clinton lost, considering Trumps target demographic was middle-aged/elderly white people

*The DNC heads* "Ah yes, our master plan! We're going to lose the election that we rigged! And then? WE COMPLAAAAAIIIN!"

I am not arguing about it, as numerous campaign employees and the chair of the NY election board is on video admitting to such in detail and many were fired for it.

As you said. Hillary won the popular vote which she did, running up the numbers in L.A & NY two large population cities openly hostile to enforcing immigration laws and encouraging illegals to vote from a local level clear up to President Obama. Then having the nerve to claim none did.
 
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Funnily, if you ask any of the congressmen who voted for this about their stance on personal privacy, they will claim to be "staunch defenders of privacy" and "will fight against any attempt to infringe upon it".

Well, I guess it's not really "ha ha" funny.
Politics is full of funny stuff like this.
We have a lot of parties here in Sweden, not only 1 left and 1 right. On the far right we have Sweden Democrats (SD), and slightly to the left we have the Green Party (GP) (and they team up with the left and far left), some quick introduction there.

In one municipality, SD wanted to make some changes along the lines of "installing more street lights so people feel safe at night being outside in certain areas". GP wanted the same thing, but said "We want the same thing, but since it's SD who came with the idea now, we're voting against it!".

Because some believe that SD are a Nazi party and shit, they refuse to have anything to do with them. Yet they're the third largest party in Sweden.

Well this was off-topic, but still a funny occasion where they're not voting for what they believe.
 

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Politics is full of funny stuff like this.
We have a lot of parties here in Sweden, not only 1 left and 1 right. On the far right we have Sweden Democrats (SD), and slightly to the left we have the Green Party (GP) (and they team up with the left and far left), some quick introduction there.

In one municipality, SD wanted to make some changes along the lines of "installing more street lights so people feel safe at night being outside in certain areas". GP wanted the same thing, but said "We want the same thing, but since it's SD who came with the idea now, we're voting against it!".

Because some believe that SD are a Nazi party and shit, they refuse to have anything to do with them. Yet they're the third largest party in Sweden.

Well this was off-topic, but still a funny occasion where they're not voting for what they believe.
I had to do it.
 

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