Hacking WIP PegaSwitch - A webkit exploit with support for JOP and function calling

Risingdawn · Mar 14, 2017

I'd be more inclined to believe pre-owned game sales hurt the industry far more than hacking and piracy ever has, does any of that revenue go to developers.

zoogie · Mar 14, 2017

Risingdawn said:
I'd be more inclined to believe pre-owned game sales hurt the industry far more than hacking and piracy ever has, does any of that revenue go to developers.

Ehh, people trade in their used games for more new games so I'm not so sure that hurts devs/pubs much.

I agree that piracy doesn't necessarily have a great impact on sales but it really depends on how easy the piracy is on a given platform.

spiderman1216 · Mar 14, 2017

Risingdawn said:
I'd be more inclined to believe pre-owned game sales hurt the industry far more than hacking and piracy ever has, does any of that revenue go to developers.

Yeah most gamers won't buy a new version of the same game, just to support the developers, and It's understandable money is finite, you buy used games to get them cheaper, if you buy the same game twice it just becomes more expensive in the long run. Where as piracy, you don't have to pay for anything, so if you decide to buy the game in the future, it's not a loss to you.

KingpinSlim · Mar 14, 2017

ehnoah said:
It is nice but Useless. Who tf really need Emulators and such...

Well guess I just sell the switch on arival for double price xD

We do not, in any form, support piracy; our hacks allow for running and developing homebrew software applications, and will not enable you to circumvent protections to permit piracy or the playing of illegitimately-obtained software.

Sure you don't buddy.
I get you.
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No PIRACY, only Homebrew.
Say no more, Know what i mean?

Risingdawn · Mar 14, 2017

zoogie said:
Ehh, people trade in their used games for more new games so I'm not so sure that hurts devs/pubs much.

I agree that piracy doesn't necessarily have a great impact on sales but it really depends on how easy the piracy is on a given platform.

Yeah you're probably right, I suppose what I'm getting at is that if Joe Blogs wants the new Call of Destiny game, pops into Gamenation and sees a preowned copy for $3 less and buys that it's a loss of a sale for the developers as they get no revenue from that, where he would of bought a new copy had he no choice. But I suppose you're right as alot of people will trade in old games for a new release that they might have not been able to buy otherwise.

smileyhead · Mar 14, 2017

Guys, seriously now, this is a release thread; could we stop shitposting?

synce · Mar 14, 2017

And the search for a retail priced Switch begins

Deleted User · Mar 14, 2017

Interesting, peak and poke already. That's actually rather surprising. Now I hope that we figure out how to backup our v2.0.0.0 nand while we're still on such a low, vulnerable firmware.

danwellby · Mar 14, 2017

StarGazerTom said:
Interesting, peak and poke already. That's actually rather surprising. Now I hope that we figure out how to backup our v2.0.0.0 nand while we're still on such a low, vulnerable firmware.

Downgradeing is not possible so far and is likely to never be due to efuses or something
Derrick gets a blue screen on acempt of downgrade via hardmod to 1.0 from 2.0.

Anyway, back on topic to the WebKit exploit

Deleted User · Mar 14, 2017

danwellby said:
Downgradeing is not possible so far and is likely to never be due to efuses or something
Derrick gets a blue screen on acempt of downgrade via hardmod to 1.0 from 2.0.

Anyway, back on topic to the WebKit exploit

Oh, I know that, it's just having early nand backups would be handy in the event that something does become possible. That's what I was saying.

recgame77 · Mar 14, 2017

the function mem address are hardcoded again ? why nintendo does not enable aslr in 2017 ?

cherryduck · Mar 14, 2017

StarGazerTom said:
Oh, I know that, it's just having early nand backups would be handy in the event that something does become possible. That's what I was saying.

You can backup your NAND (or eMMC, some people get really funny about the distinction) with an SD card reader. The eMMC module is removable and easy to solder to. Restoring a backup of your current firmware has been confirmed to work, but downgrading does not work.

smf · Mar 14, 2017

linuxares said:
I got to love the numbers you pull out. Piracy have never killed a system. If piracy was a big issue there would be no pc games at all. Yet its one of, if not the most profitable market.

It killed the Dreamcast. Although that was a unique position of allowing cheap copies to run on unmodified consoles and Sony came along with the PS2. I don't think the switch is going to be harmed by any of the current developments.

Deleted User · Mar 14, 2017

smf said:
It killed the Dreamcast

Shitty marketing destroyed the Dreamcast. If they had marketed it right and had a dvd player in it, its universally accepted the ps2 was screwed.

Time and time and time again, piracy has proven to be the barest drop in the ocean.

But this isn't the topic for that.

snoofly · Mar 14, 2017

Just my input on this topic.
I think the main thing people overlook on these kinds of forums is that we are all like minded individuals but do not represent the mainstream population.
Hardly anyone I know IRL knows about hacks/Luma/A9LH/Team Twiizers/smea/Haxchi/33c3 etc etc.
It's easy to assume by frequenting these forums that everyone and their grandmother are away busy modding their systems but in reality I expect 1 in say 200 people who own a console actually do.
Just my 2c

alepman90 · Mar 14, 2017

For many people who are worry that hacking the Switch on it's early date going to harm it
i really don't think so it's the cat/mouse game all over again,Nintendo sold 1M vulnerable
systems pretty sure it'll cover all holes with the newest FW in the next shipment.
and guess what they'll do what MS did during 360 era by Banning hacked system....which even make any one
interested walk away cos they want to play MK,Splatoon,Pokemon online (which's paid service)
Unless you're a hardcore fan of the whole thing it's not that appealing....
PS4 already hacked (as i heard) in many 3rd world countries but it's not that popular for losing online functionality and updates

thekarter104 · Mar 14, 2017

Steam sales reduces piracy, cheaper products. Buy because why not! With $60 and in some countries $100 (somehow?) It's harder to say "Buy, because why not."

eskinner3742 · Mar 14, 2017

Would really like to see the switch reach 3DS levels in the mod scene and having a possible doorway this early on is promising. Genesis, SNES, NES, GBA, N64, and PS1 emulation would be great on the switch. I want it to become the true all-in-one gaming device... If I can resist the urge to update. I know it won't happen for a while and it's really hopeful wishing but I've dumped my GC Sonic games and would love to play them on the go via VC injection as they probably won't see the light of day again.

But I could be wrong, we could see a Super Sonic HD Collection with SA1, SA2, and Heroes in HD packed in with the genesis games. C'mon SEGA, make it happen!

eskinner3742 · Mar 14, 2017

loolou78 said:
your logic is flawed because people who download it for free wouldn't have bought it anyway.

I actually got the leaked Sun and beat the Elite four before the game came out. I still bought and play both versions on cart. Support what you love.

and don't worry guys, I since replaced the shady downloaded Sun with a cart dump on my modded handhelds. Just couldn't resist playing it early and rubbing it into my friends faces.

Deleted User · Mar 14, 2017

spiderman1216 said:
You have no proof of this, absolutely no proof that Sun and Moon's sales would be way higher, let alone even slightly higher, you can't prove that those that pirate would have bought it in the first place. Sometimes people are only interested in something when they can pirate it. You can't just assume they would have been like aw shit I can't pirate it, well I guess I have to buy it then, that's even assuming they would have bought it brand new in the first place.

Also only a small subset of gamers hack their consoles, hacking and pirating a game for console is a lot more tedious than doing it on PC, consoles are usually about convenience, so most gamers aren't going to be interested in installing ReiNand+A9LH+Luma3DS, dumping their nand, rewriting their nand which could brick their system, so on and so forth. So even if the Nintendo Switch got busted wide open to the point where it's as easy to pirate games on it as the Wii U, the amount of gamers that do it, won't be justified to cause a panic, and flee from the Switch, because let's say 10 million Switches are sold less than 300k people will have a hacked Switch. Thus it won't horribly affect sales to the point where it's unprofitable to port games over to the switch, because let's say all those 300k people were pirates, you still have 9.7 million+ that will buy the game and give you money. Your not going to forsake those people just because of a minority.

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Hell look at the Vita that thing sold like a piece of shit, and that didn't get hacked until the system was dead.

Man, dpnt look at sun and moon - go see oras- I had hacked 3ds back then and there were already sky3ds and gateway. Heck, if you are still on the topic of pokemon- hg, ss, b, w, b2, w2 were all released after the r4 was out. Were they fail? The wii was the most succesful of that gen- and it was the most hacked one... same for the ds...

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