Hacking N3DS XL Bricked when updating

Loltag22 · Dec 2, 2016

upfromtheskies said:
I currently have 100% boot rate with menuhax and luma ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Well that's what you'll need to pay for if a9lh ever bricks your system, which is happening a lot lately.

That's what a9lh advocates irresponsibly have many people believing, but it's false. Browse through the forum for a while and you'll see lots of threads created by people who bricked their 3DS using a9lh, and a complete lack of menuhax brick threads.

And don't get me wrong, I think a9lh is great and I'll definitely be installing it should the latest updates ever fail to work with emunand, but until then I see no reason to take the risk using it.

100%, well you're lucky then.
2/5 luma crashes and Yellow screen on menuhax 1/5, plus very slow boot. I had to Force the shutdown, it's not healthy for the 3ds. So i preferded A9LH... Well it's fantastic!!

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It worth the risk IMHO

Arkansaw · Dec 2, 2016

einhuman197 said:
When you guys are scared bricking with arm9loaderhax, just set up emunand. Than you are safe.

To be absolutely safe, you really need to be prepared to get a hardmod. while emunand reduces the usage of sysnand, it cannot protect from a9lh and related tools that touch sysnand, both past and future

KomasterXX · Dec 2, 2016

I for one, have little soldering experience and I am quite certain that If I were to brick my N3ds, I would probably pursue learning how to solder. Getting the materials and equipment will be a major hassle for sure, but I can accept the challenge, and with YouTube tutorials availed, I should be okay in this aspect.

Currently, I am not mentally prepared to switch from Sysnand to Emunand (which is praised for its 0% brick rate), and as far as I am concerned, the only great threat of bricking falls upon New Updates from Nintendo. (Correct me If I am wrong though). However, with the upcoming N-Switch, I would say that the 3ds' life span is coming to a end...much like the DS - Perhaps.

TariqSoftDev · Dec 2, 2016

EmuNand is like a safety net, most good games are 2-4GB so a EmuNand won't kill me

, best be safe then sorry

satan89 · Dec 2, 2016

Loltag22 said:
2/5 luma crashes and Yellow screen on menuhax 1/5,

Wow, you're super unlucky. I'm on an older menuhax and luma 5.x something I don't remember and my boot rate is around 80%

Loltag22 said:
I had to Force the shutdown, it's not healthy for the 3ds

Not likely, the crash is what happens after menuhax is triggered, so its something on the SD card. Shouldn't affect the sysNAND in any way.

Loltag22 said:
Well it's fantastic!!

Of course it is, I'm not arguing that at all.

Loltag22 said:
It worth the risk IMHO

Depends on your financial situation and location. For example, in my country I'm not going to find a hard modder, there is no Nintendo presence here so service is out of question, I'm not familiar with soldering or electronics, and buying a new console is almost 1.5-2X the price it sells at in USA. Plus I'm poor. So, whether it's worth the risk is relative.

The thing with a9lh is, everybody suggests it to newbies guaranteeing them that it's near brickless and always recoverable, but when that one or two unlucky people come back reporting bricks, the same people just say tough luck, time to hard mod. A9LH obviously needs further refinement before it can be declared 100% safe and risk free.

Deleted-19228 · Dec 2, 2016

upfromtheskies said:
I currently have 100% boot rate with menuhax and luma ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Well that's what you'll need to pay for if a9lh ever bricks your system, which is happening a lot lately.

That's what a9lh advocates irresponsibly have many people believing, but it's false. Browse through the forum for a while and you'll see lots of threads created by people who bricked their 3DS using a9lh, and a complete lack of menuhax brick threads.

And don't get me wrong, I think a9lh is great and I'll definitely be installing it should the latest updates ever fail to work with emunand, but until then I see no reason to take the risk using it.

"A lot" is an opinion. Out of the tens of thousands of installs there have been a handful of reports of bricking.

Xenon Hacks · Dec 2, 2016

This happened to me last night but after a couple of hard resets it started to work again.

upfromtheskies · Dec 2, 2016

Neptune said:
"A lot" is an opinion. Out of the tens of thousands of installs there have been a handful of reports of bricking.

The last time I checked on the thread that's polling users on A9LH bricks, 25% of users reported a brick, and IMO that's a lot. A9LH bricks are happening way more than bricks from Gateway's bricking code, and everyone jumped on the anti GW train when that happened.

Deleted-19228 · Dec 2, 2016

25% of what users? Where is this thread? Never seen this before.

TariqSoftDev · Dec 2, 2016

upfromtheskies said:
The last time I checked on the thread that's polling users on A9LH bricks, 25% of users reported a brick, and IMO that's a lot. A9LH bricks are happening way more than bricks from Gateway's bricking code, and everyone jumped on the anti GW train when that happened.

A9LH is complicated to install and requires word for word precision , whether or not you follow the guide you need the adequate knowledge before jumping into like a lot of newbies have,
lets create a parallel world where there a Anti-NonGwA9Lh train, there world probably be same 25% bricks or 10%-20% more, a lot of bricks happen due to human error and in-adequate information but
if the poll also has all the specific reasons and what not then A9LH isn't all that then.

Deleted User · Dec 2, 2016

I don't recommend a9lh to noobies.I do recommend luma over rxtools however and to look into a9lh for future advances.The reason everyone is being pushy towards a9lh is mainly to push the community forward,and a9lh is always being updated to fix errors such as this.Since menuhax doesn't get updates anymore its more vulnerable to both nands being updated,while with a9lh things like this can get reported and addressed/fixed since problems eventually get worked out since it gets constant updates.

satan89 · Dec 2, 2016

Ominous66521 said:
Since menuhax doesn't get updates anymore its more vulnerable to both nands being updated,

Not anymore, since people have identified the conditions where both NANDs update and have warned people of those conditions. It's quite impossible for both NANDs to update now unless there is a human error.

Neptune said:
"A lot" is an opinion. Out of the tens of thousands of installs there have been a handful of reports of bricking.

A lot, or a few, it doesn't matter, when even the devs involved have acknowledged that there is a chance of bricking despite no mistake by the user. And you aren't considering the huge number of users who don't report on forums who have bricked. They probably find a solution one way or another since most solutions for bricks are already documented.

el_gonz87 · Dec 2, 2016

ThisIsDaAccount said:
For everyone who updated:

1) Did you brick?
2) What version of Luma were you on?
2) What type of 3ds do you have?
4) What version of luma (if any) is on your CTRNAND?

This is for 10.7 downgraded N3DS XL NTSC-U and N3DS LL NTSC-J
1) NO (This is a myth)
2) 6.3.1
3) N3DS XL + LL
4) Luma was on SD Card

This is for 11.0 DSiWarehax downgraded N3DS XL NTSC-U
1) NO
2) 6.6
3) N3DS XL
4) Luma was on SD Card

I don't trust this witch hunt of Luma... Let's help put this myth of bricking while updating caused by Luma + A9LH to rest!

Cuphat · Dec 2, 2016

There have been far, far more cases of a menuhax user bricking themselves by mucking about with SysNAND or accidentally updating their SysNAND and losing access to their CFW than of A9LH users somehow bricking via updating or losing their A9LH.

satan89 · Dec 2, 2016

squall14716 said:
There have been far, far more cases of a menuhax user bricking themselves by mucking about with SysNAND or accidentally updating their SysNAND and losing access to their CFW than of A9LH users somehow bricking via updating or losing their A9LH.

That was only during to ignorance on the user's part, unlike unexplained bricks that are occuring with a9lh related installs and update.

A user messing with sysNAND is well aware of the risks of bricking and any action he does is deliberate. It is not a menuhax fault, but the user's fault.
As for accidentally updating, the causes of that have been established and nobody has accidentally updated it since. And even if they did, they still have a working system they can downgrade, or sell. Better than a brick imo.

As the other user said, a9lh has resulted in more unexplained bricks than gateway has so far, yet is being called the safest option and is being recommended to most newbies without explaining the risks involved.

DavidRO99 · Dec 2, 2016

@Aurora Wright you have been summoned. Now give us an answer.

Aurora Wright · Dec 2, 2016

DavidRO99 said:
@Aurora Wright you have been summoned. Now give us an answer.

http://gbatemp.net/threads/i-lost-a9lh.451246/page-6#post-6892691 and another reply afterwards

DavidRO99 · Dec 2, 2016

Aurora Wright said:
http://gbatemp.net/threads/i-lost-a9lh.451246/page-6#post-6892691 and another reply afterwards

I feel more safe now, thanks lord Aurora

Quantumcat · Dec 2, 2016

upfromtheskies said:
And therefore the more likely you are to make a mistake installing A9LH and brick your console.

Yes, but while screwing up your menuhax system is very easy, making a user error in the a9lh installation is very difficult, because there are black and white step-by-step instructions staring you in the face, and you have to ignore them and do something different.

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upfromtheskies said:
I currently have 100% boot rate with menuhax and luma ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Well that's what you'll need to pay for if a9lh ever bricks your system, which is happening a lot lately.

That's what a9lh advocates irresponsibly have many people believing, but it's false. Browse through the forum for a while and you'll see lots of threads created by people who bricked their 3DS using a9lh, and a complete lack of menuhax brick threads.

And don't get me wrong, I think a9lh is great and I'll definitely be installing it should the latest updates ever fail to work with emunand, but until then I see no reason to take the risk using it.

Haven't you seen how many people accidentally update their sysNAND? It might look like more people brick on a9lh installation than accidentally update their sysNAND, but that's only because so many more people use a9lh.

If 20 people use menuhax and 10% update their sysNAND one day, meanwhile 1000 people use a9lh and 1% brick, then you're going to see more posts about bricking on a9lh installation - doesn't mean it's less safe.

And bricking and updating are really the same - are you really going to turn legit after having lost all your data that you've spent hundreds of hours on? No - you're going to get a hardmod and recover your backup. Same as if you brick.

satan89 · Dec 2, 2016

Quantumcat said:
And bricking and updating are really the same - are you really going to turn legit after having lost all your data that you've spent hundreds of hours on? No - you're going to get a hardmod and recover your backup. Same as if you brick.

This part, we should ask OP or anybody who has bricked, if they feel the same way about it as you do. Also, they don't necessarily have to hardmod as long as dsiware downgrade works

As it stands now, nothing can go wrong with menuhax if you have taken precautions to prevent accidental updates. Can't say the same about a9lh but I'm sure it will get safer, with Aurora and other devs looking into it.

In any case, menuhax or a9lh, I think it would be safer running all cias and homebrew, updates and online access to emuNAND.

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