Nintendo Switch Reveal

tarumbo83 · Oct 21, 2016

Xabring said:
so Wii don't rule them out, hUh? o well, I also don't see any room for backwards compatibility, so I guess they stay true to their statement that they don't abandon the wii u or 3ds YET....but I wonder how much time they will stick to it.

I honestly think this is going to be a case of what happened when they said the DS wouldn't succeed the GBA years ago.. they dropped that rhetoric almost instantly after release and it ended up being the successor. From what we know so far there is no reason to think the Switch wouldn't succeed the Wii U and the 3DS is getting too old to keep supporting itself too.

mechagouki · Oct 21, 2016

osaka35 said:
hmm...no touch screen or motion controls it appears. A clean slate. Ah well.

Hacked Wii U and 3ds means we've got access to all the current consoles down completely....except the n64 lolol

Ummmm...

DanTheMan827 · Oct 21, 2016

Tom Bombadildo said:
and the dock has no extra hardware, it's all in the tablet. So battery life will definitely be trash.

The NVIDIA Shield K1 tablet has a 3-5 hour gaming battery life so I wouldn't dismiss the Switch just yet...

Tom Bombadildo · Oct 21, 2016

DanTheMan827 said:
The NVIDIA Shield K1 tablet has a 3-5 hour gaming battery life so I wouldn't dismiss the Switch just yet...

And this supposedly has a chip with nearly 3x the power. Unless Nintendo somehow invented some huge capacity battery in a small package, the battery life will be trash.

osaka35 · Oct 21, 2016

mechagouki said:
Ummmm...

Didn't know those fit in either the Wii U or 3ds

Tom Bombadildo said:
And this supposedly has a chip with nearly 3x the power. Unless Nintendo somehow invented some huge capacity battery in a small package, the battery life will be trash.

I was under the impression that since uses pascal architecture, it's possible to take even less juice than that...though it'll depend on the specifics, obviously.

Xabring · Oct 21, 2016

tarumbo83 said:
I honestly think this is going to be a case of what happened when they said the DS wouldn't succeed the GBA years ago.. they dropped that rhetoric almost instantly after release and it ended up being the successor.

that's exactly WHY i wrote "I wonder how much time they will stick to it", cuz if history teach us something, they will drop that rhetoric.

Because Tegra Chip and portability? It WILL replace the Wii U, be it a comercial success or not.

I still thinking if it's a touchscreen though...
THAT'ts gonna be a killer tablet for drawing.

mechagouki · Oct 21, 2016

osaka35 said:
Didn't know those fit in either the Wii U or 3ds

You know what I meant

DanTheMan827 · Oct 21, 2016

Tom Bombadildo said:
And this supposedly has a chip with nearly 3x the power. Unless Nintendo somehow invented some huge capacity battery in a small package, the battery life will be trash.

More graphics power doesn't mean more power used...

A NVIDIA GTX 750 and a GTX 1050 both use around the same power but the 1050 is much more powerful...

duffmmann · Oct 21, 2016

Xabring said:
so Wii don't rule them out, hUh? o well, I also don't see any room for backwards compatibility, so I guess they stay true to their statement that they don't abandon the wii u or 3ds YET....but I wonder how much time they will stick to it.

The problem with hoping for backward compatability with Wii U or 3DS titles is that both systems had many games that required 2 screens to be utilized at once, one of which with a touch pad. The Switch appears to be just a handheld or a console on your TV, there does not appear to be touch controls on the screen, at least nothing was shown off to be, and there appears to be no way to have the Switch both be on your TV while also being able to use the handheld screen as well.

However, if there is a solution that Nintendo may offer for backward compatibility with Wii U or 3DS titles, perhaps the Switch will be able to connect to a Wii U Gamepad and/or a 3DS. Seems feasible to me, whether or not they did it though is the question, The Wii U didn't have a huge install base, so they may not have felt it worth it to allow it to connect just to play old games, but on the other hand, one would imagine that this system will see a Super Mario Maker title, and if that's the case, it practically needs a touch screen controller.

Bah I dunno, I need more info, I'm genuinely curious on the subject. Ultimately wont be a deal breaker if there is no connectivity like that, but I really can see some great benefits if they do have that.

tarumbo83 · Oct 21, 2016

duffmmann said:
The problem with hoping for backward compatability with Wii U or 3DS titles is that both systems had many games that required 2 screens to be utilized at once, one of which with a touch pad. The Switch appears to be just a handheld or a console on your TV, there does not appear to be touch controls on the screen, at least nothing was shown off to be, and there appears to be no way to have the Switch both be on your TV while also being able to use the handheld screen as well.

However, if there is a solution that Nintendo may offer for backward compatibility with Wii U or 3DS titles, perhaps the Switch will be able to connect to a Wii U Gamepad and/or a 3DS. Seems feasible to me, whether or not they did it though is the question, The Wii U didn't have a huge install base, so they may not have felt it worth it to allow it to connect just to play old games, but on the other hand, one would imagine that this system will see a Super Mario Maker title, and if that's the case, it practically needs a touch screen controller.

Bah I dunno, I need more info, I'm genuinely curious on the subject. Ultimately wont be a deal breaker if there is no connectivity like that, but I really can see some great benefits if they do have that.

Remember, Wii U DS VC games have the ability for 2 screens on one.. it'd still be pretty awkward though.

duffmmann · Oct 21, 2016

tarumbo83 said:
Remember, Wii U DS VC games have the ability for 2 screens on one.. it'd still be pretty awkward though.

I suppose that's true, but I really don't think Nintendo would do it that way.

tarumbo83 · Oct 21, 2016

duffmmann said:
I suppose that's true, but I really don't think Nintendo would do it that way.

Yeah, especially for Wii U games, can you imagine having the main screen and a GamePad sized screen on one physical screen?

duffmmann · Oct 21, 2016

tarumbo83 said:
Yeah, especially for Wii U games, can you imagine having the main screen and a GamePad sized screen on one physical screen?

haha that would be terrible

Sonicslasher · Oct 21, 2016

The strong third party support is pretty much the only reason I'd buy this. I got tired of playing the same rehashed top 5 sellers a while back. If they can offer more than Mario Kart 12 and Mario Party 15 then I might buy the first Nintendo system I've had in years.

tarumbo83 · Oct 21, 2016

Sonicslasher said:
The strong third party support is pretty much the only reason I'd buy this. I got tired of playing the same rehashed top 5 sellers a while back. If they can offer more than Mario Kart 12 and Mario Party 15 then I might buy the first Nintendo system I've had in years.

I'm about to take a defensive position, since I dislike when people say this and I'm not a lurker anymore- what's so bad about formulaic games? It's not the same game each time, it's still fun and unique in some way. Each game improves upon the last, it's not like they're literally the same game or a DLC pack (well, ok, I agree with you about Mario Party, but not with Mario Kart and the rest of Nintendo's formulaic titles)

Queen of SoS · Oct 21, 2016

VinLark said:
That's like saying "oh this console has something I can write something on it. EXPLOIT TIME!". Like how Xbox and Playstion have USB ports but you don't see exploits for those. The Wii U isn't even fully exploited sooooo

I wasn't saying that their will be an exploit just like that, but more on the lines of it will mostly likely happen overtime. Your right the wii u isn't fully exploited and neither is the 3ds. Yes the 3ds is more exploitable than the wii u but thats pretty much for obvious reasons.

tarumbo83 · Oct 21, 2016

KariRaquan said:
I wasn't saying that their will be an exploit just like that, but more on the lines of it will mostly likely happen overtime. Your right the wii u isn't fully exploited and neither is the 3ds. Yes the 3ds is more exploitable than the wii u but thats pretty much for obvious reasons.

Indeed it will happen (I'm not a pessimist who says it won't, I'm just saying it'll take a while) but that's a given for pretty much anything electronic that has reason to hack it.

Queen of SoS · Oct 21, 2016

tarumbo83 said:
Also, it isn't even confirmed if the Switch will have an SD slot yet (as far as I know), so that logic is even more wrong.

Yea i thought that whatever the dude was putting into the tablet form of the Switch was an sd card, but it could have been a game for it.
I don't know it just seems more likely that they will put an sd card slot on this system as well.

tarumbo83 · Oct 21, 2016

KariRaquan said:
Yea i thought that whatever the dude was putting into the tablet form of the Switch was an sd card, but it could have been a game for it.
I don't know it just seems more likely that they will put an sd card slot on this system as well.

Pretty sure they would show someone putting a game in the console in the trailer over someone putting an optional third-party accessory (SD card, technically) into the console..

Sonicslasher · Oct 21, 2016

tarumbo83 said:
I'm about to take a defensive position, since I dislike when people say this and I'm not a lurker anymore- what's so bad about formulaic games? It's not the same game each time, it's still fun and unique in some way. Each game improves upon the last, it's not like they're literally the same game or a DLC pack (well, ok, I agree with you about Mario Party, but not with Mario Kart and the rest of Nintendo's formulaic titles)

So yeah I get what you're saying. In fact all new art is inherently old improved and the same goes for gaming. It just seems like Nintendo doesn't really have an appetite for taking creative risks with their games, which for the most part is fine considering other consoles also have their go-to games (e.g. Gears of War 4). That makes them money each time and it helps solidify their brand. However where you can get some of the most creative games is through your third party support. Some of my favorite DS/GBA games were Phoenix Wright, Trauma Center and Advanced Wars, along with a lot of lesser known games like Hotel Dusk. All of which were third party.

With the advent of the 3DS I noticed that the selection of games in general for the Nintendo systems has noticeably fallen. This is probably due to several factors such as the rise in mobile phone gaming and the ability for development groups to get their games out to market with ease on online markets such as Steam. Nintendo's process to get games approved has started to become an achelies heel in their market share. Case in point: Axiom Verge was a Metroidvania game that would've been perfect for an Nintendo system, but due to the tumultuous nature of their red tape, it took entirely too long after their Steam release to finally get it approved. But I digress.

All in all I hope that third party support does truly return to Nintendo the way it once was.

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