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[POLL] Who are/would you vote for United States President?

Who are/would you vote for United States President?

  • Hillary Clinton (Democrat)

    Votes: 77 24.2%
  • Donald Trump (Republican)

    Votes: 127 39.9%
  • Gary Johnson (Libertarian)

    Votes: 26 8.2%
  • Jill Stein (Green)

    Votes: 21 6.6%
  • Other

    Votes: 67 21.1%

  • Total voters
    318
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First, that doesn't change any of what I said about it hurting him negatively for seemingly no gain other than to perhaps hide something. Second, if you look into the history of presidential candidates releasing their tax returns, you would see why it is our business. I'm not saying he's obligated by law to release them anymore than one is obligated to release his or her medical records, but you can see why the latter is our business too.
No, I cannot, because he is a private individual and his private business endeavours are his private matter (Libertarian, remember?), unlike Secretary Clinton who held a public office while the organisation operated, which does make it our business as it can directly skew policy on the basis of donations, and if you try to sell me the story about how she wasn't directly involved again then I'm just going to sigh because it's called The Clinton Foundation for a reason.
 

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Firstly, fuck off
This kind of response to my opinion is why we can't have nice things.

Secondly, your argument is now that voting in large numbers can make a difference. Well if everyone thought like me and actually voted who they wanted to win, then we wouldn't be stuck with only two options. Fact is, however, that's not how the world works and whomever gets elected will do so regardless of whether or not I vote for them. And, as I stated before, Both Clinton and Trump are massive pieces of shit and I would not be caught dead voting for them. So instead of casting a vote against my conscience like a good little sheep, I cast my vote for someone I can believe in. And when <insert party> loses my swing-state, they'll look over and see all the people voting for Gary Johnson and they may just ask themselves what they can do to earn our votes in the future.
You seem to have been too busy furiously typing "fuck off" to read my qualifier.
If one cares who actually wins this year, there are only two choices: Secretary Clinton and Donald Trump.
If you have no preference between the two or don't care about this year compared to the next year, we have no problem.
 
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You don't even have VAT, so their monetary contribution to the system is non-existent outside of states with a sales tax.
That's odd, I thought tax was theft. Anyway, the problem is that you can't just deport all illegal immigrants without destabilizing the economy of the places where a significant amount of them is working. It needs a lot more though put into it, even if you end up deporting them all in the end.

I'd like Gary Johnson if he wouldn't single-handedly fuck our entire education system
Your education system is already completely fucked.

The environment exists so that we can use it to the very last molecule and atom, I'm so sick and tired of the "save the planet" movement, I care far more about the well-being of the species than I do about a swamp or a rare plant. This planet is doomed either way - if it won't get hit by an asteroid at some point, it will eventually be engulfed by the sun. Either way, our time here is limited. We should be directing all our efforts to technological progress and leaving Earth as soon as possible, not worry about the environment - the environment's fine. We're not going to kill the planet, the planet has survived life-ending, cataclysmic events far beyond the scope of what humanity can do to it - we can pollute it at worst.

Ladies and Gentleman, I present to you the answer to the Fermi Paradox.


EDIT: sorry, missed a parentheses and it looked all fucked up
 
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No, I cannot, because he is a private individual and his private business endeavours are his private matter (Libertarian, remember?), unlike Secretary Clinton who held a public office while the organisation operated, which does make it our business as it can directly skew policy on the basis of donations, and if you try to sell me the story about how she wasn't directly involved again then I'm just going to sigh because it's called The Clinton Foundation for a reason.
One does not get to claim the moniker of private when running for public office, by definition. Again, I am not saying one should be compelled by law to release his or her tax returns. I am, however, saying it's our business as voters. It also shows poor judgment and poses a lot of questions when one does not release his or her tax returns, and why Trump still wouldn't do so despite knowing this compounds the questions.

Edit: It's also called the Clinton Foundation because it was founded by Bill Clinton. Not only is there no reason to think Hillary Clinton was involved with the foundation when it took foreign donations, but there is also evidence that she wasn't.

Your education system is already completely fucked.
Ladies and Gentleman, I present to you the answer to the Fermi Paradox.
This post wins the thread.
 
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I'm voting for her. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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That's odd, I thought tax was theft. Anyway, the problem is that you can't just deport all illegal immigrants without destabilizing the economy of the places where a significant amount of them is working. It needs a lot more though put into it, even if you end up deporting them all in the end.
Just unfair taxation.
Your education system is already completely fucked.
You're misquoting, that wasn't my statement, correct your quote.
Ladies and Gentleman, I present to you the answer to the Fermi Paradox.
That's actually a really funny and smart joke, well done!
EDIT: sorry, missed a paratheses and it looked all fucked up
So typical of liberals to misinform and disorient people! THE WALL GREW BY 10 METERS TODAY! :lol:

You are forgiven.
 

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He has the best reason of all - it's his tax return and none of your business.

Yeah, I'm finding out more and more that there's a lot of corruption that could have been avoided if everyone running for public office showed their tax returns. I don't like it either, because I believe people have a right to a private life, but I believe it's a tradeoff we must make to save democracy.
Also, it's not like US values privacy very much either. Unless you're rich.

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You're misquoting, that wasn't my statement, correct your quote.
I actually did before you posted the reply :P it ate a whole block of text because a ] went missing (don't know if it'll show up now or not)
 

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One does not get to claim the moniker of private when running for public office, by definition. Again, I am not saying one should be compelled by law to release his or her tax returns. I am, however, saying it's our business as voters. It also shows poor judgment and poses a lot of questions when one does not release his or her tax returns, and why Trump still wouldn't do so despite knowing this compounds the questions.
Running, not holding. Big difference. Trump cannot use his political power to sway anything in either direction as he has none, Clinton could.
Edit: It's also called the Clinton Foundation because it was founded by Bill Clinton. Not only is there no reason to think Hillary Clinton was involved with the foundation when it took foreign donations, but there is also evidence that she wasn't.
Sure. It's uncommon for politicians to be influenced by the activities of their immediate family, it's also uncommon for groups who wish to influence them to approach them through such channels.
This post wins the thread.
It sure does. I should engrave it on my tombstone.
 

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This kind of response to my opinion is why we can't have nice things.


You seem to have been too busy furiously typing "fuck off" to read my qualifier.
You seem to have been too busy being dismissive of other people's opinions. Sorry we can't all be graced to think like you are your flock and that we're so flawed as to refuse to vote for a person we perceive as an absolute piece of shit.
If you have no preference between the two or don't care about this year compared to the next year, we have no problem.
My preference is they both die in a plane crash and America has the chance to vote on real candidates.
 

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FYI:
It has been scientifically proven that polls aren't good at predicting who will win the elections.
For example, during the Brexit referendum, most people voted with their "gut instincts" to leave the E.U., even though most of the "Leave" people regretted their decision later on...
In past pre-Brexit polls, it has been predicted that "Stay" would be majority, however, we all know that that isn't the case.

The same thing will happen at the elections in November. People will either forget about all their decisions and trust their "gut instincts", or will take their vote "seriously" and firmly change their mind at the last minute.

I'm not saying that polls are useless and unnecessary, as they are indeed helpful to find HUGE differences, but they are not helpful to find small differences.
 
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You seem to have been too busy being dismissive of other people's opinions. Sorry we can't all be graced to think like you are your flock and that we're so flawed as to refuse to vote for a person we perceive as an absolute piece of shit.

My preference is they both die in a plane crash and America has the chance to vote on real candidates.
That'd be funny. Who would rise to the challenge? The old geezer socialist Sanders, the "eco-socialist" Stein and Johnson, huh? I guess that's one way to get Libertarianism into a position of power.
 

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I acknowledge other people's views. However, I would argue that Clinton's views are conducive to the well-being of the American society as a whole, and Trump's views are not. Otherwise, my views wouldn't be so in alignment with Clinton's. Trump's statements on immigration, Islam, and other things are also pretty deplorable.

You could turn that around on me and say someone is going to believe the opposite, but one of us is right. That's why supporting Trump is idiotic.
If you believe Clinton is the better candidates, you should vote for Clinton. If you think Trump is the better candidate, you should vote for Trump. I don't think it's fair to call someone an idiot just because they disagree with you. Political views and intelligence are unrelated. There are intelligent people and stupid people on both sides
 

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That'd be funny. Who would rise to the challenge? The old geezer socialist Sanders, the "eco-socialist" Stein and Johnson, huh? I guess that's one way to get Libertarianism into a position of power.
Imagine this scenario: The election race is close. Gary Johnson manages to win a single state. Clinton and Trump split the rest of the electoral votes. Neither gets the majority needed to win the election and so the decision goes to congress. Republicans control congress and they really don't like Trump so they band together and elect Gary Johnson president, as they are allowed to choose between any of the top three performers in the election. Now that would be a drama-filled election.
 
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If you believe Clinton is the better candidates, you should vote for Clinton. If you think Trump is the better candidate, you should vote for Trump. I don't think it's fair to call someone an idiot just because they disagree with you. Political views and intelligence are unrelated. There are intelligent people and stupid people on both sides
I think it's absolutely fair to call someone an idiot based on their beliefs if those beliefs are idiotic. In fact, it's the single best reason to call someone an idiot.
Imagine this scenario: The election race is close. Gary Johnson manages to win a single state. Clinton and Trump split the rest of the electoral votes. Neither gets the majority needed to win the election and so the decision goes to congress. Republicans control congress and they really don't like Trump so they band together and elect Gary Johnson president, as they are allowed to choose between any of the top three performers in the election. Now that would be a drama-filled election.
I like the plane scenario better - it's more chaos, and chaos is great. I have a game plan - you paint a funny depiction of Muhammad on the plane, I'll fill the cargo bay with bacon, then we'll tell the pilot to fly over Mecca - it'll be a blast!
 

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It sure does. I should engrave it on my tombstone.
I should confess, I saw it on Slashdot earlier. But seriously, we might go elsewhere or even fix everything, but it's a pretty big bet with too much uncertainty. I don't think we should risk the existence of civilization because of it if we can help it. Even if we're dead by then.
 
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I like the plane scenario better - it's more chaos, and chaos is great. I have a game plan - you paint a funny depiction of Muhammad on the plane, I'll fill the cargo bay with bacon, then we'll tell the pilot to fly over Mecca - it'll be a blast!
Throw in snakes on the plane and we've got ourselves a plan.
 
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I should confess, I saw it on Slashdot earlier. But seriously, we might go elsewhere or even fix everything, but it's a pretty big bet with too much uncertainty. I don't think we should risk the existence of civilization because of it if we can help it. Even if we're dead by then.
Don't worry, my bacon/Mecca joke is stolen too, but it fits too well with my devious scheme of painting the plane, so I had to use it. Let's make Mecca the holy land of bacon strips.

Survival of the species is the chief reason for space exploration, it minimises the chance that a cataclysmic event like an asteroid impact wipes out all of humanity like it did with dinosaurs. We *must* colonise it, it's in our DNA, and the sooner we start the better because there is no uncertainty - this planet is doomed, you can't stop the sun from expanding and you can't stop an asteroid the size of Texas.
 
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