NA Playstation Plus Membership to go up in price

Ericzander · Aug 23, 2016

It's not just the $10 that is making people abandon ship. It was just the straw that broke the camel's back. PS+ has been on a downwards spiral in quality and this takes the cake for many people. Instead of focusing on improving PS+ before adding the price increase they are going backwards.

KingVamp · Aug 23, 2016

Armadillo said:
Sony may as well bump it up to $150 then, make even more money if that's how people see it. Don't worry, it's still only $2.88 a week, you can just go without a cup of coffee.

Ikr

No, it is less about being able to pay it and more about you shouldn't have to pay for just online in the first place and now they up the price even more so on top of that.

p1ngpong · Aug 23, 2016

I have been a PS+ subscriber for many years and it has always been insanely good value, the kiddies crying over the rise in price probably don't even own a PS4 or have access to a credit card. People bitch about the free games but you usually always get one or two a month worth the meager yearly sum you are paying for, that doesn't include discounts and the other benefits you get. Even with the price rise you are still paying less than $5 a month, the price of a coffee, a sandwich, a beer, boo hoo let me file for bankruptcy.

SomeGamer said:
Coming from the Nintendo world, I just don't get why we should pay for online features separately.

Coming from a Nintendo world you would have not encountered any online features worth paying any money for.

DinohScene · Aug 23, 2016

I agree with p1ng.
Although I haven't been a PS+ subscriber, the value of games you get for free outnumbers the annual fee.
Besides, nobody is forcing you to subscribe.

Armadillo · Aug 23, 2016

Oh, the amazing arguement of you probably don't have a ps4 or are just a kiddy. Such a solid foundation. I have a ps4 and don't have + as I don't find value there. But of course it's easier to be dismissive of other services that are free as "nothing of value" rather than show the amazing value of ps+.

Ok then, lay it on me.

Most important thing for online gaming, should be the quality of play. Yet most games are either p2p or dedicated severs hosted by companies other than Sony.
They still can't even get basic account security or minor things like changing your name.

Coming over from PC, what does it offer? Feature wise steam offers everything PSN does & more except for the meh indie games, which if you really want end up in humble bundle anyway.

vayanui8 · Aug 24, 2016

Lucifer666 said:
The August lineup was great. Rebel Galaxy which is a huge hit at the moment and which all my PC friends are paying $20+ for is mighty fun, and Tricky Towers is a weird spin on Tetris where there's gravity involved. Let's not forget we were given exclusive access to that Resident Evil 7 demo. These titles are getting a lot of playtime out of me, at least.

I will say that the august lineup did look pretty good, unfortunately my sub ran out at the end of June. The issue here is that they need to make up for a handful of shitty months if they want me back. August looked good, but I'd like to see a consistent lineup of solid games. It doesn't need to be an expensive AAA title every month or anything, I'd just like some solid games on a consistent basis, rather than shitty games for 4-5 months and then a few good ones. If this price hike increases the quality of the free games, I'll be fine with it and probably resub, but they need to win back some good will from me.

tbb043 · Aug 24, 2016

Armadillo said:
Sony may as well bump it up to $150 then, make even more money if that's how people see it. Don't worry, it's still only $2.88 a week, you can just go without a cup of coffee.

1. I'd rather have the coffee

2. $2.88 for coffee, I wish, maybe for just plain coffee, but I usually get the fancy kind.

Roxe__ · Aug 24, 2016

p1ngpong said:
I have been a PS+ subscriber for many years and it has always been insanely good value, the kiddies crying over the rise in price probably don't even own a PS4 or have access to a credit card. People bitch about the free games but you usually always get one or two a month worth the meager yearly sum you are paying for, that doesn't include discounts and the other benefits you get. Even with the price rise you are still paying less than $5 a month, the price of a coffee, a sandwich, a beer, boo hoo let me file for bankruptcy.

Coming from a Nintendo world you would have not encountered any online features worth paying any money for.

No. You're not funny and you're wrong.

KingAsix · Aug 24, 2016

netovsk said:
Not really complaining about the ps plus since it's a no brainer except in very rare scenarios, but I expect respect from Sony and games on par with the console capabilities and not android games in the likes of tricky towers. The games are not free, sony milks at least 100 million USD a month which gives them more than 10 million dollars for each developer to make their game available on the service.

Well, Tricky Towers and Broforce definitely don't look like 10 million dollars to me, more like 10 thousand.

And if it weren't outrageous enough the way it is, Tricky Towers has dlc.

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A banana land walmart worker makes 30 BR$ a day, a PS$ costs ~ 1.900 BR$, AAA new releases go for 230 BR$ and PS Plus goes for 99 BR$ for an year and will go up in price for 129 BR$ yearly and 24,99 BR$ monthly according to Sony's email.

At least the PS Plus is cheap here, compared to everything else.

Maybe I feel this way as an indie developer, but I think it's a great way to give some indie titles some light. Hell people complain about them when they are free(ish) then they definitely won't consider it when it's not. And I can't say much cause I don't have a PS4 yet, but I'm sure the PS4 online experience has got to be better than the PS3s....or is it not? (serious question btw)

CeeDee · Aug 24, 2016

Tom Bombadildo said:
http://support.xbox.com/en-US/my-account/xbox-live-membership/games-with-gold-faq

Man, the Xbox One way of doing it is kinda lame. Just let me keep my free games, alright?

Sheikah Impa · Aug 24, 2016

More money going into crappy service.

Roxe__ · Aug 24, 2016

Sheikah Impa said:
More money going into crappy service.

More like more money going into a service that should be free, OH WAIT, it is on PC. You know, where the GAME DEVELOPERS support their own game!

Luckkill4u · Aug 24, 2016

Roxe__ said:
More like more money going into a service that should be free, OH WAIT, it is on PC. You know, where the GAME DEVELOPERS support their own game!

Sony is also the one being stingy about crossplay between consoles. Yeah rocket league, FFXIV, and maybe a few others have it but every online multiplayer game should have the capability. It's just Sony putting the foot down saying no and they don't understand that's what the customers want. Look at Titanfall 2, respawn said they are ready for crossplay but Sony didn't allow it. Although respawn did make it so if Sony changed their mind it's possible to add crossplay.

Sony is increasing the price now to make the extra few million dollars this holiday season that they know they are going to miss this year. I don't think the ps4 slim is going to sell well. It's simple, hit the customers you have now to make up the loss of sales.

PSPlus services aren't going to get better with this increase. The free games aren't going to be better. Customer service is still going to be shit. It's just a quick money grab.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7

Roxe__ · Aug 25, 2016

Luckkill4u said:
Sony is also the one being stingy about crossplay between consoles. Yeah rocket league, FFXIV, and maybe a few others have it but every online multiplayer game should have the capability. It's just Sony putting the foot down saying no and they don't understand that's what the customers want. Look at Titanfall 2, respawn said they are ready for crossplay but Sony didn't allow it. Although respawn did make it so if Sony changed their mind it's possible to add crossplay.

Sony is increasing the price now to make the extra few million dollars this holiday season that they know they are going to miss this year. I don't think the ps4 slim is going to sell well. It's simple, hit the customers you have now to make up the loss of sales.

PSPlus services aren't going to get better with this increase. The free games aren't going to be better. Customer service is still going to be shit. It's just a quick money grab.

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7

I'm going to quote something i've said before:

Roxe__ said:
I also cannot believe that they're making people pay monthly/trimonthly JUST TO PLAY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE...and people are falling for it, ll. Not to mention that "cross-platform" wouldn't need to be a thing, or the fact that our money would actually REACH the developers since there isn't a middle man, which would mean more games from the developers.....but hey what do I know, let's continue to feed the giants. Servers and maintenance should be taken care of by the producers of the game, i mean it only makes sense right? "you made it, you take care of it". Take the Dark Souls 3 game, that was released not too long ago for example. The game was released on all 3 consoles (PC, PS4, Xb1) and while the gaming consoles (PS4,Xb1) are making you pay monthly/trimonthly to play multiplayer, the PC version of the game is completely free!! Same with GTA5, Rocket league, OverWatch and many other games. Ever since Xbox Live was invented back in the 2002, Sony's PSN (which used to be free) mimicked and copied Microsoft's idea in 2010, since they saw the Microsoft was profiting off of this idea. It's like those added-on extra fee's that big cellular services make you pay for that, which you just don't need. I'll go back to saying this, but in my opinion, all the expenses of a game whether it's online or not, should be taken out and paid for IN the price of the game itself. And even if i was to pay for my online services i would rather pay the developers of the game and not the middle man.

All i know is this, PSN was free then XBOX-live came into play then Sony followed. Now MS just recently said that their next console (Project Scorpio) is going to be the LAST console for them, i wonder how long until Sony says the same. If only idiots would stop falling for the consoles and their cheap tricks!

chartube12 · Aug 25, 2016

Roxe__ said:
I'm going to quote something i've said before:
Now MS just recently said that their next console (Project Scorpio) is going to be the LAST console for them.

Actually they did not. They said scorpio and the xbox one are the last console generation for them. Meaning each new xbox one, is going to be an upgrade version of the previous version starting with project scorpio. They are killing off the traditional generation model. Simply put, it's a rather easier and more
convenient way of upgrading like PCs do. The problem with PC gaming is, the video cards cost anywhere from 250.00 to 2k if you want to pay the newest games at max. Plus you then have to open your PC's casing up and disconnect a bunch of cables. Sometimes the new video cards are not even gonna work with your current motherboard and replacing that means replacing everything else but the case and starting over from the beginning. At that point you are back to spending way too much for a gaming pc. By having new versions of the same console every few years and stopping the generational BS, you get the best of PC gaming without the hassle of pc gaming and cost.

Roxe__ · Aug 25, 2016

chartube12 said:
Actually they did not. They said scorpio and the xbox one are the last console generation for them. Meaning each new xbox one, is going to be an upgrade version of the previous version starting with project scorpio. They are killing off the traditional generation model. Simply put, it's a rather easier and more
convenient way of upgrading like PCs do. The problem with PC gaming is, the video cards cost anywhere from 250.00 to 2k if you want to pay the newest games at max. Plus you then have to open your PC's casing up and disconnect a bunch of cables. Sometimes the new video cards are not even gonna work with your current motherboard and replacing that means replacing everything else but the case and starting over from the beginning. At that point you are back to spending way too much for a gaming pc. By having new versions of the same console every few years and stopping the generational BS, you get the best of PC gaming without the hassle of pc gaming and cost.

You edited out my initial and concluding sentences, which means you missed the point entirely of what i was trying to say, or you did this intentionally so you can focus on my mistake for not adding the word "generation" or what. But here let me help!

Roxe__ said:
All i know is this, PSN was free then XBOX-live came into play then Sony followed. Now MS just recently said that their next console (Project Scorpio) is going to be the LAST console for them, i wonder how long until Sony says the same. If only idiots would stop falling for the consoles and their cheap tricks!

Also WTF, $2000 for a graphics card? No. The titanX which is 2 GPUs in one is $1200 MAX, besides most conventional PC gamers have buy a graphics card with 700$ as a max price, and that usually covers most games in 4k @60fps, so unless you're doing some extreme video editing or game modifications you're not going to buy, let alone NEED a 2000$ graphics card.

Then you talked about replacing a video card like it was doing the hardest thing in the world. If you've built a computer before you'd know that there's one cable that you have disconnect and that's the 6/8pin cable that powers the card, then you pop it out of it's slot. As for the opening the actual PC case you've bought, if that's to hard for you then you need the lord and savior. And i use 'you' referring to most conventional PC gamers who built their own pc, or at least know pc components.

Based on your comment about replacing the whole PC because your new graphics card doesn't work with your current motherboard, don't have to do the SAME EXACT THING with this "generation" of console?!?!? Replace it every couple of years with the so called "upgraded version". I'd rather just stick to my PC that plays games AND acts as my personal computer, because at least i know whatever i put into my PC can last a year or 2 longer than having a system put together for me using outdated hardware and sold as "cheaper".......riggghht. No thank you.

Luckkill4u · Aug 25, 2016

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You should know this is just a quick and greedy cash grab for Sony. They increased the price without even say why. The answer was a completly bs response of "enriching" the PSPlus service. Yeah right....

Sent from my Samsung Galaxy S7

romeoondaline · Aug 25, 2016

This pretty much sums it up.

Armadillo · Aug 25, 2016

Not sure where the changing motherboard is coming from. PCI-E is backwards compatible, current 3.0 cards should work all the way back to 1.1 (1.0 is a little iffy). Anything with 1.1 is ancient though and pointless paring a modern gpu up with, even though in theory it should work. 2.0 works fine and that is really quite old now as well (2008 iirc it was introduced). GPUs are even coming with dual bios now (one for uefi, one for non-uefi) to make sure everything is good with older hardware. Occasionally you get a card that gives a black screen on an old motherboard, but a bios update fixes that. If you can't be bothered to update, that's on you, but there's nothing hardware wise stopping a new card working on old motherboard. Being backwards compatible was one of the reasons for the switch to PCIE.

No one is paying $2K for a gpu. Pascal Titan X (most powerful current single gpu) is only $1200. Very few will have that though, most common gpu is always the mid range (so last gen 390/970) and where the bulk of sales take place.

Changing a gpu is not some massive engineering project. It takes a few min, if that, to pop it out the slot and unplug cables.

Wants someone banned for being a pc snob, while spouting such utter bollocks

Roxe__ · Aug 26, 2016

Armadillo said:
Not sure where the changing motherboard is coming from. PCI-E is backwards compatible, current 3.0 cards should work all the way back to 1.1 (1.0 is a little iffy). Anything with 1.1 is ancient though and pointless paring a modern gpu up with, even though in theory it should work. 2.0 works fine and that is really quite old now as well (2008 iirc it was introduced). GPUs are even coming with dual bios now (one for uefi, one for non-uefi) to make sure everything is good with older hardware. Occasionally you get a card that gives a black screen on an old motherboard, but a bios update fixes that. If you can't be bothered to update, that's on you, but there's nothing hardware wise stopping a new card working on old motherboard. Being backwards compatible was one of the reasons for the switch to PCIE.

No one is paying $2K for a gpu. Pascal Titan X (most powerful current single gpu) is only $1200. Very few will have that though, most common gpu is always the mid range (so last gen 390/970) and where the bulk of sales take place.

Changing a gpu is not some massive engineering project. It takes a few min, if that, to pop it out the slot and unplug cables.

Wants someone banned for being a pc snob, while spouting such utter bollocks

Thank you for explaining to him how PCI-E works now a days, i honestly just didn't have it in me to type more than what i have already.
All I can say is, i remember when i had MS', Sony's and Nintendo's cocks shoved down my throat, thinking i loved gaming consoles, but then i grew up and learned the truth.

romeoondaline said:
This pretty much sums it up.

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