Peace...

Octavious · Mar 20, 2003

O my goodness, some of yall peeps need to realize that this is a war with Iraq's evil leaders and not the people. In the pres's speech, he said so and i know so any way, plus were not in it for the freaking oil. we could give less of a shit about the oil. look at the title of the op, operation iraqi freedom, not operation gas can or operation gas guzzler. the oil will stay with the people of Iraq, just not with the same leaders. and another thing , solution 9, I am offended when you say "typical american view" I believe we are doing whats right. These people are being treated like Saddam's bitches and they need freed or at least the choice to be free. Just because one american says somrthing stupid dosnt meen thats how all the millions feel. I bet you Canada has assholes to. I think that you need to get off our back. were helping them because no one else in the frickin world is trying to. Not even Canada. so, I think you should be greatful that your country is going to help in this cause to free the people. I for one will support this if needed and if I get drafted later, this IS a great cause to die for. This is the time when the strong will rise to aid the weak from the enemy. And one last thin, what good are negotiations when the skin is melting off you? read up on the type os stuff they have. You should also be happy you Canadians arnt the target for hell-strapped-on-a-rocket. We are. So, i think now is a good time for you to appologize....

really, i have nothing against canada, i just dont like how you stereotype americans just because we go to help the hopeless. I think you need to get your shit in line and apologize

sorry for the language, i just am VERY angry now...................

Tempest Stormwin · Mar 20, 2003

Canada does indeed have it's assholes, of both the left (elitist) and the right (grassroots) types. However, don't you think you can learn a bit from our way -- after all, it's through the way we lead our lives and politics that we "arnt the target for hell-strapped-on-a-rocket". And remember -- the way the US electoral system is SUPPOSED to work (not going to bring up the 2000 election here) is that the government represents the typical view of the country -- we use the phrase to sum up the word on the international field. As in "America attacked Iraq". Sorry if we offended you.

Oh, and on the issue of titles - they don't change what a thing is. Look at freedom fries, for example. The fact is the United States is AGAIN taking steps to reshape another sovereign nation the way it sees fit, while they themselves say they favor independance and freedom more than anything else and deny it for other nations. I know your country isn't attacking the Iraqi people, but they're going to be hurt anyway. I also can bet that whoever the US installs in this new puppet regime is going to have two outcomes:
1) supplying good oil contracts with US companies, even if that's not the ulterior motive, it's going to happen.
2) Be someone the US chooses only to have them backfire == it's happened before.
I'm not attacking you, and indeed I value your position, but please, remember that sending cruise missiles into Iraq is not helping the Iraqi people, it's killing them.

And don't stereotype us. We help the hopeless after military action has MADE them hopeless -- it doesn't matter who hit the big red button marked "LAUNCH", we just step in and help them rebuild. You'll also notice that we don't move in and set up McDonalds, either.

If any of that is offensive, I'm sorry. I was reading Kornkid's other topic and got a bit miffed at how he insulted most of us. Forgive me, Octavious, if any of that which I have said is uncalled for.

-Tempest out.-

Vanguarde · Mar 20, 2003

War is good for countries - it snaps them out of their insane fanatical religion based agression.

If you think war is bad for countries, why don't you go ask Japan and Germany ? They turned out pretty well after WW2

I invision Iraq to be a great part of the world in 20-50 years time, just like Japan and Germany are now. Less than a century ago, they were fanatical war driven countries. Since the USA helped them, they are now just peaceful countries.

We are helping Iraq to achieve this.

I am sad to see no one here sees past the big picture.
Dictators will not be allowed in the 21st century.

X-Gamer · Mar 20, 2003

As I said once before, war is never the answer. Many innocent people will pay the price for Bush and Saddam's stubborness with their lives and that's not something I like to brag about so I'll post somewhere else now. Peace for all...

Mr.Curlynose1 · Mar 20, 2003

YOU GO OCTAVIUS!!! That's right! This is to free the Iraqi people from the dictator Saddam Hussein. Last I heard only one civilian was killed so far in Iraq with the war.
And about what Iraq does to it's people...... There was a news story about 2 days ago that told all. SADDAM PUTS MEN INTO GIANT SHREDDERS FEET FIRST AND THEY SCREAM TO THEIR DEATHS. HE ALSO HANGS WOMEN BY THEIR HAIR. HIS FAVORITE FORM OF TORTURE IS TO PUT A NAKED GUY IN A ROOM WITH ACID DRIPPING FROM HOLES IN THE CEILING.
*RAMBLE MODE OFF*

Sorry 'bout the caps, just angry that's all.

Fearlessjay · Mar 20, 2003

I will add my hopes for peace. I said my feelings in the other thread, but I'll just add a few other comments.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/edito...17-oppose_x.htm

President Bush hasn't done a good job of selling this war because he has tried to sell us a pig in a poke. But when the truth comes out, as it will, Americans are going to start asking the following questions:

Where does it end? Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has laid out the road map, with Iran, Libya and Syria next on the list: "These are irresponsible states, which must be disarmed of weapons mass destruction," he told visiting U.S. congressmen, "and a successful American move in Iraq as a model will make that easier to achieve."
Undersecretary of State John Bolton agrees. Last month, he said in meetings with Israeli officials that "it will be necessary to deal with threats from Syria, Iran and North Korea afterward."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/page....ll&siteid=50143

THE Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a sin. You are an army of one on this war. Of course, you personally won't have to fight. Just like when you went Awol while the poor were shipped to Vietnam.

OF the 535 members of Congress, only one has a son or daughter in the armed forces! If you really want to stand up for America, send your daughters to Kuwait and let them don chemical warfare suits. And let's see every member of Congress with a child of military age also sacrifice their kids.

phuzzz · Mar 21, 2003

First of all: I think the name Freedom Fries is the STUPIDIST name I've heard. I don't care if you don't like the French, call them potato fries then. I mean, sheesh.

And like Tempest said, as much as I don't agree with some of your opinions, I do respect the fact you're not just saying you are right and cussing everybody out. You're actually giving reasons, and good ones too.

Octavious: Believe it or not, Solution 9's opinion about Americans is not that far off. The steriotypical American idea is that we are better than everybody else, and, unfortunatly, most are like that. America need to get it through their head that they are not rulers of the world, and that most countries hate us because we continuously get into their affairs. And it's usually a good idea to have that realized every now and then.

Vangaurde: The thing is, Germany and Japan also had half of the world watching their ass 24/7 to make sure they don't try anything. There isn't nearly as much countries that support controling the government of Iraq as there was for WWII.

And I want to give a hypothetical question here to Americans that support this (and possibly those of other countries too), and I want you to be completely honest: If 9/11 never happened, if there was no terrorist attack, would you still want to take Sadam out of power? I know it to be difficult to answer, being that it DID happen, but seriously try and imagine what the situation would be if it didn't.

Octavious · Mar 21, 2003

holy shit......
i didnt know about the grinder one
now thats one sick bastard
Now it shoud be operation Saddam becomes Confette
wow............
Im gonna kill him whos coming with me

ChaosSeeker · Mar 21, 2003

Alright, if 9/11 never happened, we wouldnt be caring about Osama. It has nothing to do with Saddam. We are going after him because he wanted to not get out of the country. I say its good that we are going to get him. But I still pray that innocent people wont be killed. Even so, it is a neccessary sacrifice to get rid of someone so evil. If we dont do something, Saddam will. I dont want my friends or famuly being killed because some anti-war people say its wrong to kill off someone that has killed so many others. My dad is in the air force, and is going to be sent back to Iraq to help. Id rather one of Saddams men get killed than him.

And about all Americans being like that, that isnt true at all. Sure there are the old guys in Congress saying stupid crap like that, but most Americans want whats best for them, and for others.

I honestly hate people that say that war is never good. It will always be here, live with it. If you want to stop it, get world peace, but wait! That can never happen, because there will always be someone like Saddam in the world thinking he can kill and do as he pleases......

And that is my rant.

phuzzz · Mar 21, 2003

ChaosSeeker: True, 9/11 had nothing to do with Saddam. But think about all of the propaganda, all the support, Bush was able to use because of 9/11. Think of what the situation would be like if there wasn't that support.

Vanguarde · Mar 21, 2003

To the person who said 'this is just the start', you are correct.

You need to understand 9/11 changed the USA.

What President Bush said about the new Axis of Evil is not a 'joke', it's what it is.

Iraq is going to be a perfect base in the middle east to control that space, to keep the peace.

Iraq is just west of Iran, and Afganastain is just east of Iran.

Iran is a member of the Axis of Evil, it is very advanced in Nuclear weapons, and it harbors terrorists such as Hamas, Hezbollha, the Islamic Jihad, etc.

North Korea is being raped and led by a sadistic dictator, Kim ill jueng. North Korea is being totally defiant of the UN, and of the United States.

Syria has long been a haven for fanatic terrorists. Same deal, Hamas, Hezbolla, Islamic Jihad, etc. Syria is up to no good in the world by turning it's back and/or supporting the terrorists in it's country.

For years we have tried to isolate agressive countries and groups in the world, and all it got us was September 11th. It did not work.

We are going to be attacked if we decide to do nothing, or decide to attack. Why then sit back and do nothing as fanatics attack our country? It makes no sense.

So don't worry about North Korea, Iran, etc. Those dangers will be removed in due time. This is not a simple operation - it's a 10-20 year crusade vs the evil of this world.

- Vanguarde

bgoa · Mar 21, 2003

Too many youngsters here that played too often 1person-shooters. Guys this is NOT a console game, this war is real, dead meat is dead meat forever.

And Bush is (in my opinion) not the good guy, he is the real danger, the real global terrorist, as he managed to screw up the UN, Nato, Arabic-Western relations, world economy and pretty much everything else that saved our ass for the last 50 years. The real impact of his action will be obvious in the next 2 years and this war will be at least as stupid as the Vietnam war if not much worse.

And Bush uses the same arguments as all fanatics in history (Christian Crusaders, Napoleon, Hitler, Bin Laden, take whowever you want): It is ok to do what I do because I am God's chosen one and nobody can stop me. We try to stop bullies at school but who stops Bush? I am not a Saddam fan but is it realy worth it??? And please give me break with the American humanitarian propaganda, that's sh@# for nobrainers...

PS. All war supporters in this list should shut up and volunteer instead for charity and relief work in Iraq to see what war really means to the normal folks around. Watching the war on your telly and having a big mouth, well...

Octavious · Mar 21, 2003

finally, someone who realizes that war is there for ever like the fricken mosquiteos or frogs or the sun
it is necesarry to prevent bad things and loss of life is just a part of it
and to vanguarde, thats funny all thou sttrangly tru...

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to bgoa or whatever, shut the **** up
I know how Dead meat works and id like it if u didnt refer to it like that
I have a friend who got shot in the head with a 4 10 and left to die for over 1/2 hour, I was attacked by a dog when I was 8 and almost lost my eye and life due to my jugular beinig cut, I have had many other things to.
I THINK THAT I KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT DEATH
And im not a damn fps addict who is gung ho here, I know what I say. And I wont goin the peace corps, ill respect them, but ill join my army to fight for the world , who is not joining the war untill we start it hmmm....... i wonder..., and to liberate the Iraqi's because every human has the god given right to freedoms, wheter he chooses to use them or not , the choice is there.

Zress · Mar 21, 2003

so many fools... you dung-flinging surrender monkeys! 'war is not the answer" so would you rather have Saddam nuke uuse, or use BioChem weapons on half the world before dealing with them. The UN has been screwed for years. Dubya had nothing to do with it. Yes he is an Idiot, but for once(and ony once) he's done something right. the UN would happily let Saddam take over the mideast. the world is falling apart and all you fools can do is whine "give peace a chance"!?!?! and another thing: arab-western relations have never been great. as of the whooping of the taliban's ass, which was the the work of Colin Powell, the arabs have hated us more than ever, and It takes stupidity not to see it.
"ThE Pope has said this war is wrong, that it is a sin" the pope can nail himself to a cross, it's not going to save that slimebag Saddam, whom, by the way, would probably like to kill the pope for not calling god allah.

you cowards should go to denbeste.nu and find out what is really going on.

If we're alone in this, I guess that what, 8+ countries, have vanishied from the earth. of course apparently alone means"france and germany aren't with you" nowadays.

Grrr.................................

me89537 · Mar 21, 2003

Octavious is right. u think we don't know what war is, we fought alot of them. Yes i belive that some of then were not the very best thing to do but they were still the right thing to do, and i suport Bush and dont try to say that every thing in the world that is going wrong is because of him. we are just trying to stop evil and crazy poeple before they get a chance to use them

Octavious · Mar 21, 2003

why cant uu people see.
The people of Iraq cant get rid of saddam them selves
There leader tortures people by dropping them in vats of acids that slowly kill you
He wont allow his people the right to choose what they do
He is so cold that he has killed almost all his family

so in a nutshell
they cant fight - they have bad dictator- we can fight - dictator has big weapons that he ccan kill us or others with - he is threat - allies are power of good - we kill evil so he cant use the big boomers he got

that simple
we dont want the damn oil
we want what is right, and loss of life must happen for others lives , ahh hell, they dont even have lives,
like I said, He is bad, we good, its like fricken starwars people

ChaosSeeker · Mar 21, 2003

You all have good points but some people dont say it quite right. I dont like bashing people beacuse of their beliefs. I am open-minded, and I am sure most of the other people are too. From reading all these, I think we can all agree that Saddam must go, and that there are other threats out there, and its not just a threat to the US, its to any country that doesnt like what these terrorists are doing.

Tempest Stormwin · Mar 21, 2003

Octavious was really quick to believe what some bloke said about the grinders... consider the source, like Fearlessjay keeps showing. It seems that if I said Saddam was a pedophile he's agree with me, even if I say I'm lying.

I do agree with Chaosseeker partly, but virtually no one else who's supporting the war. You all give bad reasoning, refusing to question that Bush may be the agressor and the wrong one -- thanks bgoa. Chaosseeker, you and Curlynose have presented a valid, honest opinion of war, and though I still don't support it, I can empathize. One of my closest friends has had his uncle stationed on an aircraft carrier in that region since the entire crisis with Afghanistan (to my knowledge; I don't know if the carrier ever left the Persian Gulf region), and I like the guy too. If someone has to die, I'd rather it not be him. However, the point is that if people put aside their differences and pledge each morning that, today, they will not kill -- then no one at all has to die. I do honestly care for everyone -- whether I know them or not, regardless of national boundary.

I'd rather hear a thousand voices for war like Curlynose's and ChaosSeeker's than one more Octavious or Zress. Even if I don't agree with them, there are some oppoenents I can appreciate.

-Tempest out.-

norberto · Mar 21, 2003

I agree with Zress.
WE did give peace a chance. we gave him plenty of time to go into exile. he diddnt go. all this time trying to get some kind of resolution. It diddnt work. You cant wait forever. by then it will be to late. Goto MSN.com and learn some things. War is never a great thing to brag about. and people die and that is not great either. We are fighting for Peace. so what if oil comes with it? who wants to keep paying $2.00 dollars a gallon for gas. I sure dont! If we gave saddam a chance, all it would of done was make it worse. He would of attacked whoever he wanted when he wanted. Nobody wants that. what happens in other countries like IRAQ, effects every contry not just the USA. We havnt attacked IRAQ either. we are taking out sites of military communitaions and stuff like that and places saddam might be. We are attacking a regime. Im sure if there were video footage of saddam torturing
his own people then the world would agree to get him out. I support the war to free the IRAQI people. we have support from many countries already. Im not a political kind of person but I keep up with my news. you cant debate about WAR. there are PROS and CONS. also without war there are PROS and CONS.

ChaosSeeker · Mar 21, 2003

I agree with you tempest, I mean, if we can actually get people to say that every morning, i say, thats good! But the thing is, we wont be able to. It is almost impossible, and like Ive said before, there is always going to be one person that says, "You know what? I dont want peace, its time I fought against it", or some other thing. And that person is just like Saddam, or Osama. But yes Tempest, I feel that we can wholly avoid war by doing this. And this is a big step for me, because before I read your post, I thought that our last resort was to go after the source.......
I guess there is one more option, even if its a slim one.

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