Wtf Is Wrong With This World :(

aslacker55 · Apr 16, 2007

QUOTE(Nestea80 @ Apr 16 2007 said:
There MUST be something wrong with America.Â You don't see this happening in Canada.Â It's no coincidence that most of the school massacres happen in the US.Â It's just WAY too easy to own a gun in America.Â I'm not putting down Americans in general, just their laws ... and their president for that matter.

Guns don't kill people?Â People kill people?Â Yeah, with what?Â GUNS!

People can easy kill other people with poison, knives, swords, a chair, a bat, a ladder, and many other things. Would you ban them too.

lagman · Apr 16, 2007

People don´t kill people.
Stupid people kill people.

If you know -as a country- that your kids are nuts,you should have some programs to help them.
The terrible thing for me is that this kids became some sort of stars, that´s sad.

Tanas · Apr 16, 2007

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The right to bare arms is protected by the Constitution of America. Many have tried to ban guns, but there are organizations like the NRA(National Rifle Association) that oppose them. And guns don't kill people, people kill people, there will always be crazy people out there. If you have to blame someone, blame the shooter.

So what you're trying to say is, if this same guy went to the school arm with his wiimote and his DS stylus, he could have still killed all these people if he had really put his mind to it?

_Mazza_ · Apr 16, 2007

QUOTE(aslacker55 @ Apr 16 2007 said:
QUOTE(Nestea80 @ Apr 16 2007 said:

There MUST be something wrong with America.Â You don't see this happening in Canada.Â It's no coincidence that most of the school massacres happen in the US.Â It's just WAY too easy to own a gun in America.Â I'm not putting down Americans in general, just their laws ... and their president for that matter.

Guns don't kill people?Â People kill people?Â Yeah, with what?Â GUNS!

People can easy kill other people with poison, knives, swords, a chair, a bat, a ladder, and many other things. Would you ban them too.

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Again you're right in a way, but if someone wants to perform a mass murder in the spur of the moment, firearms are more effective, How many people could one man with a knife kill in a public area maybe about 3 or so and everyone else would have fled, poison would need planning, and chair etc. would be the same as a knife, guns allow anyone to kill anyone as long as they are in line of sight and this is why they should be restricted and not sold to anyone who wants one.

galaxykidgamma · Apr 16, 2007

QUOTE(lagman @ Apr 16 2007 said:
The terrible thing for me is that this kids became some sort of stars, that´s sad.

well he's dead, so he doesn't care

aslacker55 · Apr 16, 2007

QUOTE(_Mazza_ @ Apr 16 2007 said:
aslacker55 you are right that people kill people, but if these people couldn't get hold of guns then there would be less killings.

US has 8259 killing by firearms, the only other countries in the thousands are Mexico, Columbia, Thailand and South Africa, and these are pretty corrupt countries when compared to the US etc.

By comparison, Austrlia has 59, UK has 62, Spain 97 and Germany 384. I know these countries have less people but only by a factor of about 5 and the simpl;e reason why is because guns are harder to get in these countries.

The main problem with America is that of our large and diverse population. You can't compare the numbers, because of the population difference. Also America is composed of many different races that have their own beliefs and traditions, these beliefs will always but heads and more than often bad things happen.

By the way: the killer was an asian man.

Shinji · Apr 16, 2007

QUOTE(aslacker55 @ Apr 16 2007 said:
People can easy kill other peopleÂ with poison, knives, swords, a chair, a bat, a ladder, and many other things. Would you ban them too.

How many deaths are reported in the U.S. related to ALL of those items youve mentioned? Not much in comparison to gun related deaths.

The real killer? Tobacco....

Consider this in terms of legality...
Marijuana/pot/weed is ILLEGAL to own. Now if you made marijuana/pot/weed/whatever you call it LEGAL, MORE people would have it right? Same with guns.

Oh yeah and about making fun of Iraq and the Middle East, you bet your sweet ass we do. Just look at most of the political cartoons in the national news papers (in the U.S.)...

Akoji · Apr 16, 2007

Well , maybe they could kill people with anything else but i think that beside a bomb , nothing can kill people as fast as a gun a some packs of ammo's.

Maybe the guy would have killed people with a spoon , but maybe max 3 people , with a sword 10 , but with a gun he killed 31 one if im right. So beside a bomb , nothing could do more damage.

And btw. Nestea... it happens in Canada too , look back at september this year , a guy shoot like a dozen of people and killed 1 girl in Québec at Dawson College.

lagman · Apr 16, 2007

QUOTE(galaxykidgamma @ Apr 16 2007 said:
QUOTE(lagman @ Apr 16 2007 said:

The terrible thing for me is that this kids became some sort of stars, that´s sad.

well he's dead, so he doesn't care

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That doesn´t change a thing, that makes it even sadder.
Maybe I didn´t make my point clear.

_Mazza_ · Apr 16, 2007

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The main problem with America is that of our large and diverse population. You can't compare the numbers, because of the population difference. Also America is composed of many different races that have their own beliefs and traditions, these beliefs will always but heads and more than often bad things happen.

By the way: the killer was an asian man.

There's no excuse for it, the UK is also has a diverse population but nowhere near the amount of killings by firearms

Oh and it doesn't matter that the killer was asian, there was the columbine massacre where the 2 killers were American boys.

Shinji · Apr 16, 2007

QUOTE(lagman @ Apr 16 2007 said:
QUOTE(galaxykidgamma @ Apr 16 2007 said:

QUOTE(lagman @ Apr 16 2007 said:

The terrible thing for me is that this kids became some sort of stars, that´s sad.

well he's dead, so he doesn't care

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That doesn´t change a thing, that makes it even sadder.
Maybe I didn´t make my point clear.

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Your point was crystal clear cause we're talkin bout him right?

aslacker55 · Apr 16, 2007

QUOTE(_Mazza_ @ Apr 16 2007 said:
There's no excuse for it, the UK is also has a diverse population but nowhere near the amount of killings by firearms

Do the UK have as large of a population as America?

galaxykidgamma · Apr 16, 2007

QUOTE(aslacker55 @ Apr 16 2007 said:
QUOTE(_Mazza_ @ Apr 16 2007 said:

aslacker55 you are right that people kill people, but if these people couldn't get hold of guns then there would be less killings.

US has 8259 killing by firearms, the only other countries in the thousands are Mexico, Columbia, Thailand and South Africa, and these are pretty corrupt countries when compared to the US etc.

By comparison, Austrlia has 59, UK has 62, Spain 97 and Germany 384. I know these countries have less people but only by a factor of about 5 and the simpl;e reason why is because guns are harder to get in these countries.

The main problem with America is that of our large and diverse population. You can't compare the numbers, because of the population difference. Also America is composed of many different races that have their own beliefs and traditions, these beliefs will always but heads and more than often bad things happen.

By the way: the killer was an asian man.

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this is an excellent point

also, what shinji has said about tobacco and illegal drugs is irrelevant. criminals don't go around killing people with illegal drugs, besides, this illustrates the opposite of the point at hand. taking something away is entirely different than making it legal. take one look at prohibition and tell me that banning something will lead to greater control. and for the sake of argument, when something is legal, the government can exercise greater control over it

Deleted User · Apr 16, 2007

QUOTE(ozzyzak @ Apr 16 2007 said:
QUOTE(Nestea80 @ Apr 16 2007 said:

Why don't they have stricter gun laws. Or just ban guns altogether. No guns, no shootings. Simple as that. Oh, you like to hunt? Too bad ... pick up another hobby.

I disagree. Haven't you ever heard the saying 'if you ban guns, only criminals will own guns'.

Think about it, if this guy was willing to do that, don't you think he'd have found a gun whether illegal or not?

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Well, if that was the mentality ... we might as well make everything available. We need to make owning a gun illegal, just the way it's illegal to drive a car when you're 12 ... just the way it's illegal to have sex with a 10 year old. We need to have laws and regulations ... strict ones. Fine, if he needed a gun ... he'll have to get it the hard way ... not at his local walmart. To have guns so easily available to anyone ... it gives more opportunity. I'm sure it's more than just gun laws ... it's also cultural influences 'n all ... but begin by taking away the weapons from the hands. Guns IS culture for Americans.

rashef · Apr 16, 2007

All hail the "Shoot your classmate" day.

_Mazza_ · Apr 16, 2007

QUOTE(aslacker55 @ Apr 16 2007 said:
QUOTE(_Mazza_ @ Apr 16 2007 said:

There's no excuse for it, the UK is also has a diverse population but nowhere near the amount of killings by firearms

Do the UK have as large of a population as America?

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No I didn't say it does, it still has a pretty diverse population, and even if you multiply the number of killing by 5 so the numbers are equal the Uk would still only have about 300 killings compared to the US's 8000

galaxykidgamma · Apr 16, 2007

QUOTE(lagman @ Apr 16 2007 said:
QUOTE(galaxykidgamma @ Apr 16 2007 said:

QUOTE(lagman @ Apr 16 2007 said:

The terrible thing for me is that this kids became some sort of stars, that´s sad.

well he's dead, so he doesn't care

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That doesn´t change a thing, that makes it even sadder.
Maybe I didn´t make my point clear.

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oh i understood your point perfectly, giving the killer so much attention is really a shame, but really only if it glorifies the situation, i think it's clear that the media is sending a negative message regarding this kid. and if the kid were still alive, maybe some scrutiny over him would be a good thing, helps us understand why something like this happens besides just saying "some kid with some screws loose went crazy"

lagman · Apr 16, 2007

QUOTE(Shinji @ Apr 16 2007 said:
QUOTE(lagman @ Apr 16 2007 said:

QUOTE(galaxykidgamma @ Apr 16 2007 said:

QUOTE(lagman @ Apr 16 2007 said:

The terrible thing for me is that this kids became some sort of stars, that´s sad.

well he's dead, so he doesn't care

That doesn´t change a thing, that makes it even sadder.
Maybe I didn´t make my point clear.

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Your point was crystal clear cause we're talkin bout him right?

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Yeah, but it doesn´t matter if he was looking for it or not, the yellow media will take care of it, tons of special programs, a show every anniversary, a movie of the week.
Lot of marketing but not real prevention, that´s my point.

aslacker55 · Apr 16, 2007

Most gun crimes in America are gang related, most gangs are race related and they hate other gangs that are of different races. If you ban guns in America, a new type of black market will start and it would cause more problems.

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Maybe there's just a higher percentage of crazy people in America ... probably something in the water.

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