Milk is bad for you

EntermateStar · Feb 13, 2016

VinsCool said:
I don't give a single fuck about what OP wrote.

I love milk, and I'll never change the abit of drinking a glass of milk in the morning, or with cereal, or with a piece of cake for dessert.

Sorry.

vins dont need no man to make his decisions

Clydefrosch · Feb 13, 2016

DiscostewSM said:
I like the taste of cow milk. I don't care if it ends up takes a month or so off of my life.

And really, that video........you think all facilities do that sort of stuff? It's easy when you can cherry-pick the bad ones and try to claim all of them do that.

know though, that whatever image of a dairy farm you have in your head thats clashing with the images in those videos, are just as cherry picked, most likely even more so. course the average is somewhere inbetween. but the average is certainly closer to the bad extreme than to the good.
dairy farming isnt as lucrative a business as it used to be and the well being of the cows is the easiest and quickest variable to keep the whole thing profitable

DiscostewSM · Feb 13, 2016

http://io9.gizmodo.com/5897169/dna-reveals-that-cows-were-almost-impossible-to-domesticate

VinsCool · Feb 13, 2016

The Youtube Channel's name is GoVeganFitness, has 6 videos, and those seem like a clickbait more than anything.

I'm sorry, but all of this is made by a vegan freak.

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jefffisher · Feb 13, 2016

bad for you or not chocolate milk is delicious and i will continue to drink a gallon every day

DiscostewSM · Feb 13, 2016

Clydefrosch said:
know though, that whatever image of a dairy farm you have in your head thats clashing with the images in those videos, are just as cherry picked, most likely even more so. course the average is somewhere inbetween. but the average is certainly closer to the bad extreme than to the good.
dairy farming isnt as lucrative a business as it used to be and the well being of the cows is the easiest and quickest variable to keep the whole thing profitable

I wasn't claiming all facilities are clean from such things. TC's own video proves that, but when he's going about that 99% of facilities do that, how exactly are you going to prove that with a few cherry-picked clips?

Foxi4 · Feb 13, 2016

Clydefrosch said:
you dont have to give a shit. but your argument why you dont and dont have to, thats a nonsense argument. animals dont exist because they're useful to us. how egocentrical can you're selfperception be?

dont get me wrong, i drink milk and eat flesh. but i have the decency to feel bad about it to a certain degree because i can accept the fact that animals aren't mind- and soulless creatures. those animals are an integral part of your wellbeing and their suffering for your wellbeing at least deserves to be recognized.

If my ego was a gravity well, it would suck the whole Milky Way all the way down my gullet. We're the apex species on this planet and literally everything else lives or dies because we allow it to. There is literally nothing stopping us from turning the surface of the planet into glass with nukes, but as you've probably noticed, we haven't done that. Why? Because we need this planet to survive. It's really very simple. I also don't "feel bad" for farm animals - they're literally bred for specific purposes and these species are only so common because we found them useful. It's sad that animals have to suffer in order for me to eat produce, but the benefits outweigh the sacrifice, for both species. Cows, chickens or sheep have no chance of going extinct for as long as we find them useful - that's an excellent evolutionary strategy.

Ssssuper said:
As you get older, lactase production decreases so people get lactose intolerant.
Please do your research.

It's a matter of evolution - humans in some areas evolved to continue lactase production into adulthood, some didn't. Your claim was that drinking milk is the cause of lactose intolerance - it's not. Lactase production does decrease with age - some people don't produce it at all, for some the decrease starts at the age of 2, for some it's 20, some others produce it throughout adulthood. It's entirely a matter of genetics, not "milk consumption" - your claim is bogus.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/070401_lactose

Ssssuper · Feb 13, 2016

jefffisher said:
bad for you or not chocolate milk is delicious and i will continue to drink a gallon every day

-> american
-> gallons of chocolate milk

You're probably overweight lol

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Foxi4 said:
If my ego was a gravity well, it would suck the whole Milky Way all the way down my gullet. We're the apex species on this planet and literally everything else lives or dies because we allow it to - it's beneficial to us. There is literally nothing stopping us from turning the surface of the planet into glass with nukes, but as you've probably noticed, we haven't done that. Why? Because we need this planet to survive. It's really very simple. I also don't "feel bad" for farm animals - they're literally bred for specific purposes and these species are only so common because we found them useful.
It's a matter of evolution - humans in some areas evolved to continue lactase production into adulthood, some didn't. Your claim was that drinking milk is the cause of lactose intolerance - it's not. Lactase production does decrease with age - some people don't produce it at all, for some the decrease starts at the age of 2, some others produce it throughout adulthood. It's entirely a matter of genetics, not "milk consumption" - your claim is bogus.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/070401_lactose

THE MAJORITY TURNS LACTOSE INTOLERANT
I never said milk consumption causes people to be lactose intolerant, learn to read.

DiscostewSM · Feb 13, 2016

At least he's full of chocolate milk, not full of s^#t.

Ssssuper · Feb 13, 2016

DiscostewSM said:
At least he's full of chocolate milk, not full of s^#t.

Wow edgy, you surely showed me.

Foxi4 · Feb 13, 2016

Ssssuper said:
THE MAJORITY TURNS LACTOSE INTOLERANT
I never said milk consumption causes people to be lactose intolerant, learn to read.

You literally said that people "get" lactose intolerant because they're not supposed to drink milk. You don't "get" lactose intolerance - you either have it or you don't. The "majority" is a skewed statistic - only 10% of Americans are lactose intolerant while 99% of the Chinese develop it at some point in life. It's almost as if it had something to do with geography, access to milk and evolution over thousands of years, whooptie doodle.

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/news/070401_lactose

"Most" people can't digest lactose correctly because the Chinese constitute a huge portion of the population, it's a massive landmass, go figure.

Aurora Wright · Feb 13, 2016

Ssssuper said:
Even though the media tries to brainwash people, milk does not
Strengthen your bones and it is not the best source of calcium.
Even if you're not a vegan you should accept this.

-gyno because of all the hormones
-excess use of antibiotics which creates resistant bacteria

The US is not the rest of the world. Here in Italy, using hormones on cows isn't allowed. Chances are it's not allowed in Belgium (where you live?) as well.

Ssssuper said:
-possible acidation of your blood which needs calcium to make it back neutral which weakens
Your bones because the calcium comes from there

http://chriskresser.com/does-dairy-cause-osteoporosis/

Ssssuper said:
-cows get raped to get milk

Rape is a crime in which an human sexually assaults another human against their will. What is done to cows is not "rape". Why do we deem rape wrong, you ask?
Think about it, there's not a cosmic law which says it's wrong, however as a society we try to protect the citizens. No one wants to be raped, so we eventually got to the conclusion that it's "wrong" and must not be done (and the same applies to theft, murder, etc.)
However, cows aren't citizens of human societies. Using them for milk will only be "wrong" when/if we as a society will decide as such, because of empathy and things like that.

Ssssuper · Feb 13, 2016

Aurora Wright said:
The US is not the rest of the world. Here in Italy, using hormones on cows isn't allowed. Chances are it's not allowed in Belgium (where you live?) as well.

http://chriskresser.com/does-dairy-cause-osteoporosis/

Rape is a crime in which an human sexually assaults another human against their will. What is done to cows is not "rape". Why do we deem rape wrong, you ask?
Think about it, there's not a cosmic law which says it's wrong, however as a society we try to protect the citizens. No one wants to be raped, so we eventually got to the conclusion that it's "wrong" and must not be done (and the same applies to theft, murder, etc.)
However, cows aren't citizens of human societies. Using them for milk will only be "wrong" when/if we as a society will decide as such, because of empathy and things like that.

Cool website billy! It has zero sources to back anything up.

Also:There is no reason for people with lactose intolerance to push themselves to drink milk. Indeed, milk does not offer any nutrients that cannot be found in a healthier form in other foods. Surprisingly, milk-drinking does not even appear to prevent osteoporosis, its major selling point

Source:http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/what-is-lactose-intolerance
All the scientific sources are on the bottom

Lucar · Feb 13, 2016

Aurora Wright said:
The US is not the rest of the world. Here in Italy, using hormones on cows isn't allowed. Chances are it's not allowed in Belgium (where you live?) as well.

http://chriskresser.com/does-dairy-cause-osteoporosis/

Rape is a crime in which an human sexually assaults another human against their will. What is done to cows is not "rape". Why do we deem rape wrong, you ask?
Think about it, there's not a cosmic law which says it's wrong, however as a society we try to protect the citizens. No one wants to be raped, so we eventually got to the conclusion that it's "wrong" and must not be done (and the same applies to theft, murder, etc.)
However, cows aren't citizens of human societies. Using them for milk will only be "wrong" when/if we as a society will decide as such, because of empathy and things like that.

This.

/thread

Aurora Wright · Feb 13, 2016

Ssssuper said:
Cool website billy! It has zero sources to back anything up.

Also:There is no reason for people with lactose intolerance to push themselves to drink milk. Indeed, milk does not offer any nutrients that cannot be found in a healthier form in other foods. Surprisingly, milk-drinking does not even appear to prevent osteoporosis, its major selling point

Source:http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/what-is-lactose-intolerance
All the scientific sources are on the bottom

Nice way of sidetracking from your original argument.
1) "milk causes the bones to melt"
2) "you don't *need* dairy products in your diet to be healthy"
1 is pseudoscience, 2 is true.
Also, the article I linked to *has* sources. Studies published on pubmed. Check it better...

Lucar · Feb 13, 2016

Ssssuper said:
Cool website billy! It has zero sources to back anything up.

Also:There is no reason for people with lactose intolerance to push themselves to drink milk. Indeed, milk does not offer any nutrients that cannot be found in a healthier form in other foods. Surprisingly, milk-drinking does not even appear to prevent osteoporosis, its major selling point

Source:http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/what-is-lactose-intolerance
All the scientific sources are on the bottom

COOL WEBSITE JOHNNY! IT'S SOURCES HAVE ZERO SOURCES TO BECK THEM UP AS WELL.

Saiyan Lusitano · Feb 13, 2016

It's bad to use social websites for long amounts of time and being glued to the computer/tablet/phone one too many times but it's OK.

Gingerbread Crumb · Feb 13, 2016

The OP isnt forcing you guys to change your diets go crazy with your milk if you want.

Deleted User · Feb 13, 2016

Ssssuper said:
Even though this one is not serious, you can drink almond, coconut or soya milk.

Almond milk, coconut and soy milk taste disgusting though :^(

Foxi4 · Feb 13, 2016

Ssssuper said:
There is no reason for people with lactose intolerance to push themselves to drink milk. Indeed, milk does not offer any nutrients that cannot be found in a healthier form in other foods. Surprisingly, milk-drinking does not even appear to prevent osteoporosis, its major selling point

Lactose intolerant people shouldn't drink milk for the same reasons why people with peanut allergy shouldn't eat peanuts - that's obvious. You're preaching to the rest of us - people who can, in fact, drink milk and not suffer from explosive diarrhea, and you have no evidence beyond a crackpot video and a study that you've misread.

Good job posting a website promoting Dr. Oz and vegan diets under an article that uses statistics and studies from the 1960'ties, 1970'ties, 1980'ties and 1990'ties. Sounds about as reliable as the Titanic. I think you should go as far back as the 1930'ties, when people used to buy radioactive skincare (no joke, some facial creams contained radium and were advertised as radioactive - gives your face that special glow).

Speaking of things that are bad for you, add soy to the mix. Here's a horror story:

http://www.menshealth.com/nutrition/soys-negative-effects

Excessive consumption of soy leads to suppression of testosterone production and an increase in estrogen production. Enjoy men with breasts, idiot.

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