doesn't make any sense either.
What if the next firmware update patches the exploit?
What if the next firmware update patches the exploit?
put it this way they guys who made the exploit know best how to handle it, if you don't understand it, that's fine, but that's probably the reason you haven't found the exploit yourself either
The ideal situation is not to lock people from playing online so they can use one exploit on one firmware. That could happen if they released any more exploits right now. Sure, we would be able to use the exploits sooner, and 5.4 people would get something to play with, but in the long run, this would be a terrible idea, as the devs' progress is set back to zero on a probably more secure new firmware.
The ideal situation is that during the Wii U's later life cycle, an exploit can be released which can be used on the majority of Wii U's in the world. Ideally this exploit would allow both IOSU and kernel access. The Wii reached its hacking peak in 2010-11, which was 4-5 years after it came out. So really, just be patient, and I'm sure the devs would agree that this latter option would be way better for everyone.
The ideal situation is that during the Wii U's later life cycle, an exploit can be released which can be used on the majority of Wii U's in the world. Ideally this exploit would allow both IOSU and kernel access. The Wii reached its hacking peak in 2010-11, which was 4-5 years after it came out. So really, just be patient, and I'm sure the devs would agree that this latter option would be way better for everyone.
For the long run I agree. but for the case of 5.4.0 exploit, AFAIK the devs already have another exploit that is more private, hence it makes more sense to keep it so in order to achieve that ideal situation.
But not for the one which the bug used is public already.
Some think that just because the exploit isn't released even if the bug is public, nintendo is unlikely to patch it. I agree it is a possibility, but in that sense it doesn't mean it'll keep future firmwares exploitable in the long run (for that ideal situation), it only means we are in a waiting game ^^.
Not releasing the exploit because it is too unstable (which is actually what the main devs said) makes more sense, because it is true it creates more frustration when something is released and doesn't work properly. However in my humble opinion releasing it could bring other people to improve it and make it more stable, which is what happened already with the previous public kernel exploit. Don't forget there are other people out there who can contribute to homebrew in Wii U but are stuck on 5.4.0/5.5.0, so it's not only giving the chance to more people to hack their Wii U faster, but it also gives room for more homebrew and testing for the community (which would make that situation more Ideal in the long run).
I'm not complaining to the devs, in fact I've been following this thread regularly for over a year, almost daily during this year. And I appreciate all the amazing work done by people like Marionumber1 for the community (unlike other hackers who just love to show off their stuff online), and I respect his decisions. I'm just discussing since this is a Wii U homebrew discussion thread ^^. With reasonable polite discussion we all learn from each other here.
well iirc they said the current 5.4/5.5 userland exploit is VERY temperamental, i.e to the point where it simply would not work at all for most people, sure its possible someone tweaks it and makes it a bit more stable, but if i was them i also wouldn't want to be the one releasing it just to have 101 new "why your exploit so poo" threads/comments very other day with demands for them to "fix it n0000www!!!", imho given those are the guys driving the scene forwards we should stop trying to be backseat drivers, if you want to be the driver go learn to drive and go whatever route you think is best, its easy to sit there nit picking when its not you doing the work isn't it
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well iirc they said the current 5.4/5.5 userland exploit is VERY temperamental, i.e to the point where it simply would not work at all for most people, sure its possible someone tweaks it and makes it a bit more stable, but if i was them i also wouldn't want to be the one releasing it just to have 101 new "why your exploit so poo" threads/comments very other day with demands for them to "fix it n0000www!!!", imho given those are the guys driving the scene forwards we should stop trying to be backseat drivers, if you want to be the driver go learn to drive and go whatever route you think is best, its easy to sit there nit picking when its not you doing the work isn't it
I respect your opinion except this part : "if you want to be the driver go learn to drive and go whatever route you think is best"
Every person has his own domain of expertise. I just don't find it productive to just tell anyone who's trying to discuss and give his input "leave us alone and do it yourself if you want". This is a forum, and one of the main things that make a forum successful is the exchange of ideas and discussions.
Just because I'm giving my input on the matter doesn't mean I'm trying to boss them around, yes there might be others who say same thing in a very impolite manner, and I said it before, what we feel about the devs decisions is irrelevant since we aren't paying for their work non we contribute to it. This doesn't mean we should silence anyone who tries to give his input in the forum. At the end of the day our goal is to make the scene successful, each one has his own part in that.
Just as you gave your input how it might only bring a lot of complaining about how unstable the thing is, I also gave mine that it's possible to improve it and even bring more active contributors to the scene which will help us in the long run.
When I make a visual art project, I put it online and people come give their opinion about it, yes it is easier to sit back and say things about a work you didn't do, but I find it essential to read what they all say, because at the end of the day their thoughts can help me improve my art and my decisions in the future. Or I could also just say to all of them "if you're not happy with what I do, why don't you do it yourself ?" ^^, that would be way easier for me to do, isn't it
. I just believe that to be unwise.
no, but the point is that they have already said they will release when they feel its ready for public consumption, going with the art analogy would be more like someone starting a painting and saying "sorry im not happy with it being public atm" then people pestering them saying "oh well that's your opinion, but im just going to keep saying "put it in a gallery right now" until you change your mind anyway"
Anyway, I don't like having multiple pages of pointless debates going through different semantics and analogies. I just gave my personal input, it's the devs call to release or not.
I rather this thread have more useful info on hacking the Wii U than just my posts trying to explain my point.
Keep it up guys.
I rather this thread have more useful info on hacking the Wii U than just my posts trying to explain my point.
Keep it up guys
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So... given the discussion of this thread, I should just update from 5.4 to 5.5? Because everyone sitting on 5.4 right now basically has a brick of a console. Can't sign in with our NNID because we're forced to update. Can play a few single player games yeah, but most good Wii games now revolve around multiplayer and online functionality. Can't even add my friends!
People being idiots and calling them "poo heads" for the exploit being finicky isn't a good reason not to release. There will always be idiots like that, but they literally have no effect on anything.
People being idiots and calling them "poo heads" for the exploit being finicky isn't a good reason not to release. There will always be idiots like that, but they literally have no effect on anything.
http://gbatemp.net/threads/should-i-update-if-im-on-xxx.396264/
In the end, it's up to you. If you don't update, might you have a better chance at an exploit? Sure, but is it worth staying offline for who knows how long? The choice is yours to make.
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*eye roll*
I've read that. I was mainly just making a point.
By not simply releasing the 5.4 exploit you have:
1. People currently on 5.4 who could make use of it having to just sit around with their fingers up their ass.
2. People on <5.4 who already have an exploit and don't need it.
3. People on 5.5 who can't use it...
Entitlement =/= Discussion. I'm sorry that you're still at a level of immaturity where discussion of opposing views is too much to handle. But this is a forum, people express their views on such things.
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Well i was making the point that this question has been answered hundreds of times and asking it again and again isn't going to change anything about the exploit's release.
May i ask something quickly? is the exploit method on 5.4 the same as 5.5? or are they different and the 5.4 has been patched?
if 5.4 is patched in 5.5 or even if its a different method, i dont see any harm in releasing 5.4.Again this is just a personal view and is by no means telling anyone what to do. I do however think that if people want things done quicker, they should contribute in some way shape or form, such as donating to the people working on said exploits.
as far as other things go, if your dont have a whole lot of money, buy a broken wii u console only off ebay. look for ones with no hdmi output specifically. chances are theyre fine, hook em up to an older tv with rca cables, sync your gamepad, change to hdmi and bam you have another wii u . alot of times theyll be lower than 5.4.0. mine was at 3.0.1. obviously dont just rush to buy either, it would be smart to contact the seller and ask when the last time it worked was. do your best to get a specific month and go back to see what the latest update in that said month was.
you can normally get them very cheap this way, then just disc update to 5.3.2. its honestly not a bad idea, and does have a little risk involved but nine times out of ten youll come out unscathed.
that being said, im also not responsible for you buying anything and this not working. this is just what ive done and alot of people dont think about.
if 5.4 is patched in 5.5 or even if its a different method, i dont see any harm in releasing 5.4.Again this is just a personal view and is by no means telling anyone what to do. I do however think that if people want things done quicker, they should contribute in some way shape or form, such as donating to the people working on said exploits.
as far as other things go, if your dont have a whole lot of money, buy a broken wii u console only off ebay. look for ones with no hdmi output specifically. chances are theyre fine, hook em up to an older tv with rca cables, sync your gamepad, change to hdmi and bam you have another wii u . alot of times theyll be lower than 5.4.0. mine was at 3.0.1. obviously dont just rush to buy either, it would be smart to contact the seller and ask when the last time it worked was. do your best to get a specific month and go back to see what the latest update in that said month was.
you can normally get them very cheap this way, then just disc update to 5.3.2. its honestly not a bad idea, and does have a little risk involved but nine times out of ten youll come out unscathed.
that being said, im also not responsible for you buying anything and this not working. this is just what ive done and alot of people dont think about.
The exploit we're talking about is userspace, it supposed to work on 5.4.0 and 5.5.0, but since the current public kernel exploit works only on 5.4.0 and not 5.5.0, the 5.5.0 users will have it less useful even if it was released.
The devs main reason for not releasing is its instability, the second "so so" reason is > by not releasing hopefully nintendo won't patch it very soon. So those are the main 2 things that we were discussing here. (or we tried to discuss, cause some people seem to fail in that).
nope its not that some people can't discuss something, its that some people refuse to take no for an answer, the dev's involved have said no on this matter about 10 times now that i have seen (probably much more in PM's or posts i haven't seen) the reason people people don't want to see it is that they have seen the same discussion 100 times
people "well you could just release it, it wouldn't really change much"
dev's "we dont feel like it would be a good decision at this time"
people "well you could just release it, it wouldn't really change much"
dev's "we dont feel like it would be a good decision at this time, its very buggy and we are busy trying to work on something else"
people "well you could just release it, it wouldn't really change much"
while i can appreciate the opinion that the exploit will probably be patched and yeah it might make very little difference in the long term nagging devs or discussing the pro's and cons of releasing at great length doesn't really change much if the dev's weren't swayed after 10 times hearing the same lines i doubt doing it another 20 will have much effect
Have you even read my posts?
What I was saying is completely the opposite of : "well you could just release it, it wouldn't really change much".
I've already explained my point before.
I don't like polluting this thread with useless talk just to try to explain it again to one person. You can come to PM me if you still want to go further.
can we shut up with this crap debate? you've been going on since early yesterday ffs
well you all 5.4.0 people only have yourselves to blame, i remenber all of us 5.3.2 waiting and manny people were like i cant wait i need splatton online or mario maker, too bad for you, you guys made your choice, and before you say oh my wiiu updated acidentaly, you were told to never have standby mode active becuase if opendns fialled atleast it wouldnt install anything but you guys never switched that off aswhell, not to mention everyone knew opendns did not work with dynamic ips and you kept using it.
So for all 5.4.0 you only have yourselves to blame not the devs not anyone but yourselves now deal with it, if you wanna continue updating its your call if not its also your call, dont blame the devs for your choices.
So for all 5.4.0 you only have yourselves to blame not the devs not anyone but yourselves now deal with it, if you wanna continue updating its your call if not its also your call, dont blame the devs for your choices.
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