Gaming Persona 2: Eternal Punishment - Time for a Fan Translation?

Arizato · Apr 20, 2015

Scorp said:
Yeah, instead of fixing with a mass replace maybe 1% of the textes we DEFINITELY need to retranslate whole game. Perfect waste of time. Tatsuya route already translated somewhere in Google and could be just revised too.

I am not too familiar with the other changes made to the script of Eternal Punishment. But according to Megami Tensei Wiki on the original PSX version of Innocent Sin:

"Persona 2: Innocent Sin was never initially released in North America or Europe for unknown reasons. It is assumed that it was never released overseas because of the possibility of Tatsuya Suou having a homosexual relationship with fellow party member Jun Kurosu, and the appearance of Adolf Hitler."

Similar changes could have been made on the Eternal Punishment script as well. Hence why it is better to retranslate everything if fans want to experience the original script. You have stated several times that you are not a fan of the Persona series. So why is it up to you to label a possible uncensored translation a waste of time?

GDW · Apr 20, 2015

Scorp said:
CPK was obv repacked, as you can see result on screenshots... This is not like I image-edited that It can be easily repacked with the usual tools around, you just missed some important parameters it seems So obv we do not need that.

... Okay. Did he play through the entire game to check for hung loads? Did he change files other than that single event file? Did he insert that text in place without changing file sizes?

Scorp · Apr 20, 2015

Arizato said:
Similar changes could have been made on the Eternal Punishment script as well. Hence why it is better to retranslate everything if fans want to experience the original script. You have stated several times that you are not a fan of the Persona series. So why is it up to you to label a possible uncensored translation a waste of time?

Because it is really waste of time. Much faster is to just revise existing translation, reading the existing script. As far as I know, the EP PSP version looks (from beginning) exactly the same.

SCO · Apr 20, 2015

One thing i'm curious about is the japan PSP game, Eternal Punishment, able to import the Innocent Sin save data, for the extras it gives? Or can i just forget about it, in which case i might as well play the official location of EP on the psx again.

Scorp · Apr 20, 2015

GDW said:
... Okay. Did he play through the entire game to check for hung loads? Did he change files other than that single event file? Did he insert that text in place without changing file sizes?

P2PT_ALL.cpk after reassembly with same textes have exact same checksum as the non-touched, so I am pretty sure all is okay. Text was not inserted in-place, obv, all pointers and other things were recounted. Possible to put new lines, new pages in dialogues, etc., all is free to customize. There is also some custom LZ compression in some files, like DNGSCN.bin, this was unpacked too. Why do we speak all these tech matters here?

Scorp · Apr 20, 2015

SCO said:
One thing i'm curious about is the japan PSP game, Eternal Punishment, able to import the Innocent Sin save data, for the extras it gives? Or can i just forget about it, in which case i might as well play the official location of EP on the psx again.

I do not see any import of save data. Why you think it should?

SCO · Apr 20, 2015

Scorp said:
I do not see any import of save data. Why you think it should?

http://www.vg247.com/2012/05/12/persona-2-innocent-sin-data-can-be-imported-into-eternal-punishment/

maybe its behind the scenes, checking the disk for clear save data of the other game on 'new game'. Or maybe it even works from the load menu :/

tbb043 · Apr 20, 2015

SCO said:
http://www.vg247.com/2012/05/12/persona-2-innocent-sin-data-can-be-imported-into-eternal-punishment/

maybe its behind the scenes, checking the disk for clear save data of the other game on 'new game'. Or maybe it even works from the load menu :/

Could be like Lunar PSP where it just checks for a completed demo save on bootup, it doesn't have an import option either that I can recall.

SCO · Apr 20, 2015

I'm also not sure if the additional scenario requires or not the savedata. Prob not, although it 'spoils' the previous game if you haven't played it yet. If you're looking for a translation of that someone on the web is doing it.

I'm very mad atlus didn't manage to stuff this game into a single UMD therefore perpetuating the curse of mismatched locations of persona 2. Don't do tied sequels ever again atlus, you're no good at it.

Scorp · Apr 20, 2015

SCO said:
http://www.vg247.com/2012/05/12/persona-2-innocent-sin-data-can-be-imported-into-eternal-punishment/

maybe its behind the scenes, checking the disk for clear save data of the other game on 'new game'. Or maybe it even works from the load menu :/

Well, if they tell it is there, then seems it is there... In any case, if you worry about problems like Japan EP expects Japan IS save - this could be patched, I believe, we have some hackers aboard. But I believe this is not a priority task, as you still cannot read anything in the game without translation

SCO · Apr 20, 2015

A easy way to start searching for the code would be to search for Innocent Sin game id on the executable.

Alex IDV · Apr 21, 2015

Okay, so here's a list of names/terms that need to be changed if you do decide to edit the text from the PlayStation version's localization. It is possible that I have missed some spells, but this should cover the most important stuff. In addition to these, at one point there's a flashback to the ending of P2:IS, so you'll want to make sure your text in that part matches up with the localization of P2:IS.

Yuki Mayuzumi -> Yukino Mayuzumi (the nickname Yukki stays as Yukki)
Nate Nanjo -> Kei Nanjo
Ellen Kirishima -> Eriko Kirishima (the nickname Ellie stays as Ellie)
Guido Sardenia -> Takahisa Kandori
Chris Reiji -> Kido Reiji
Tammy Uchida -> Tamaki Uchida
Principal Harding -> Principal Hanya
Demon Artist -> Demon Painter
Chunky -> Toro

Seventh -> Sevens (nickname for the school Seven Sisters High School)
Sky Museum -> Aerospace Museum
The Masquerade -> The Masked Circle
The school Kasugayama's nickname is Cuss High. I don't remember if this is mentioned in EP, however.

Maha Agi -> Maragi
Maha Agionn -> Maragion
Maha Agidyne -> Maragidyne
Maha Aqua -> Malaqua
Maha Aques -> Malaques
Maha Aquadyne -> Malaquadyne
Maha Garu -> Magaru
Maha Garula -> Magarula
Maha Garudyne -> Magarudyne
Magnus -> Magnara
Magdyne -> Magnadyne
Maha Magna -> Mamagna
Maha Magnus -> Mamagnara
Maha Magdyne -> Mamagnadyne
Rock Fall -> Rockfall
Anger of the Earth -> Earth's Anger
Baptism by Thunder -> Thunder Baptism
Megidolaonn -> Megidolaon
Mahanma -> Mahama
Hamaonn -> Hamaon
Divine Judgement -> Bright Judgement
Hieros Glupaine -> Hieroglyphein
Mudoonn -> Mudoon
Trial of Darkness -> Dark Verdict
Soothing Melody -> Healing Melody
Affectionate Prayer -> Heartfelt Prayer
Pine Bamboo Plum -> Shouchikubai
Sthiti -> Stiti
Sristi -> Suristi
Sama Recarm -> Samarecarm
Recarm Dora -> Recarmdra
Taru Kaja -> Tarukaja
Raku Kaja -> Rakukaja
Maka Kaja -> Makakaja
Sama Kaja -> Samakaja
Suku Kaja -> Sukukaja
De Kaja -> Dekaja
Hypnotic Wave -> Hypnotic Waves
Throw A Kiss -> Blow a Kiss
Bersac -> Balzac
Multi-Dimension -> Omni Dimension
Wonderful Aques -> Wondrous Aques
Double Thrust -> Double Pierce
Death Bound -> Deathbound
Vital Trust -> Pressure Point
Poison Bite -> Venom Bite
Paralyzing Bite -> Stun Bite
Wing Beat -> Wing Flap

Blazing Hell -> Blazing Burst
Tower Inferno -> Towering Inferno
Megalo-Fire -> Megalofire
Hydro-Boost -> Hydro Boost
Vain Splash -> Bane Splash
Ryouhi Tenshou -> Dragon Flight
Wind Cutter -> Kamaitachi
Maximum Tempest -> Maxi Tempest
Storm Nightmare -> Nightmare Storm
Sharp Boulder -> Boulder Smash
Crag Fang -> Craggy Fang
Hell Desert -> Hellish Desert
Lightning Blast -> Thunder Blast
Lightning Crush -> Thunder Crush
Takemikazuchi -> Take-Mikazuchi
Hino-Kagutsuchi -> Kagutsuchi
God's Hand -> God Hand
Meteor Clash -> Meteor Crush
All 1 -> All One
High End Crush -> High End Crusher
Blessing of Panacea -> Panacea Blessing
Maha Taru Kaja -> Matarukaja
Maha Raku Kaja -> Marakukaja
Maha Maka Kaja -> Mamakakaja
Maha Sama Kaja -> Masamakaja
Maha Suku Kaja -> Masukukaja
Violent Melody -> Extreme Melody
Fire Burst -> Flame Cut EX
Wind Slash -> Wind Slash EX
Ice Blade -> Ice Blade EX
Conflagrant Wrath -> Fiery Fury EX
Typhonic Wrath -> Windy Fury EX
Frigid Wrath -> Icy Fury EX
Galvanic Wrath -> Thunderous Fury EX
Ryusei Rekken -> Pegasus Strike
Venomous Needle -> Venom Needle EX
Reverie Needle -> Dream Needle EX
Venomous Bite -> Venom Bite EX
Norn's Twinkles -> Norn's Blink
Aum -> Ohm
Great War of Hell -> Hellish War

Mananan -> Manannan
Tensen Nyan Nyan -> Tensen Nyannyan
Lakshimi -> Lakshmi
Airget Lam -> Airgetlam
Hurakan -> Huracan
Genjo -> Xuanzang
Umayado no Ouji -> Umayadono-Ouji
Shaka -> Sakya
Alfred -> Yamaoka
Jack O'Lantern -> Pyro Jack
Siva -> Shiva
Nata -> Nezha
Gundari Myouou -> Kundali Vidyaraja
Tenhou Gensui -> Marshal Tianpeng
Grinbulsti -> Gullinbursti
Ryume -> Longma
Kerepres -> Culebre
Fearal -> Fjalar
Stuparideth -> Stymphalides
Kimnara -> Kinnara
Kenren Taishou -> Juanlian Dajiang
Heinir -> Hoenir
Pariker -> Pairika
Maia Custom -> Maia Prime
Nanna -> Nannar
Il-Dana -> Ildanach
Virocana -> Virochana
Melchesedec -> Melchizedek
Amurtart -> Ameretat
Uroboros -> Ouroboros
Shokuin -> Zhu Yin
Hotei -> Budai
Nankyoku Roujin -> Shou Shen
Yebisu -> Ebisu

sladeninstitute · Apr 21, 2015

Hey all. I'm a new user here but I'm volunteering to play test or read/edit the script P2:EP for PSP.

I am a native English speaker, have 3 months of free time coming up, and also own the imported P2: Batsu UMD. I also have a modded PSP on which to play test on.

Please let me know if I can be of help. I'll continue to keep my eye on this forum.

Scorp · Apr 21, 2015

Alex IDV said:
Okay, so here's a list of names/terms that need to be changed if you do decide to edit the text from the PlayStation version's localization. It is possible that I have missed some spells, but this should cover the most important stuff. In addition to these, at one point there's a flashback to the ending of P2:IS, so you'll want to make sure your text in that part matches up with the localization of P2:IS.

Thanks, this would be helpful in the later stage...

Scorp · Apr 21, 2015

sladeninstitute said:
Hey all. I'm a new user here but I'm volunteering to play test or read/edit the script P2:EP for PSP.

I am a native English speaker, have 3 months of free time coming up, and also own the imported P2: Batsu UMD. I also have a modded PSP on which to play test on.

Please let me know if I can be of help. I'll continue to keep my eye on this forum.

Sure, when we have some stuff ready for proof-read I will let you know.

Riku · Apr 21, 2015

muhammedshelleh · Apr 22, 2015

I am ready wh

Scorp said:
I am really tired to wait for that mythical project from Tradukosoft.

Here is real deal from my comrade:

Does anyone really want this to happen? If yes, need players and testers

I am ready when you are to test this out! I can help with translation a bit, if needed

Yu kisamise · Apr 22, 2015

You guys could always just join Tradukosoft. he is only one man working on a full game but if you all work together you may be able to finish in this years end. i'm not going to force you just saying
http://www.tradukosoft.com/2015/04/485/

Scorp · Apr 23, 2015

We would go maximally open-source with text, similar to God Eater 2 project. Would create translation repository and anyone with good skills could join. Also, as I already told, we would need extensive testing and players dedicated to that.

Traduko keeps all inside, so this is not an option. Also he does not really have any benefits for us - we do not plan to retranslate whole game (as I told 3 times translation is mostly accurate, it just need a good editor to make it feel in touch with prequel). Better would be collaborate with guys from http://p2px-scenario.tumblr.com, if anyone have a tumblr, maybe you can send them a message, pointing to this thread. Anyway, when an online translation project would be opened, I see no problems of Traduko joining with translation team, it is not like I am against someone or like that.

Also seems would need image editors to fix some textures as GDW told, we do not have them right now. So really, we want a community-based project, rather than some closed retranslation, which could probably die like all the previous attempts.

tathra · Apr 29, 2015

Scorp said:
We would go maximally open-source with text
...
Traduko keeps all inside, so this is not an option.
...
So really, we want a community-based project, rather than some closed retranslation, which could probably die like all the previous attempts.

so, you want an open project, which means once the game is decrypted and tools are created for script insertion and such, all those methods and tools will be available to everyone right? so that if somebody does want to do a complete translation from scratch later on, it'll be possible. if you don't release the tools and decryption methods as they're made then you're doing just another closed project, doing the exact same thing you're saying you don't want to be part of and criticizing Traduko for.

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