Hacking Wii U Piracy Discussion

mixelpixx · Apr 15, 2015

Piracy really isn't a "thing". It was only created or became a concern when companies with no explanation as to why their software sales sucked so horrendously when questioned by Shareholders & Board of Directors. I run a construction company, I can't claim that because I didn't make a sale, that I took a lose. It just didn't happen. Only the entertainment industry gets away with saying because you didn't didn't by it, they had a sad and lost money.

Any "hacker" that claims he is doing this for the scene, and not so there can be piracy is a hypocrite and a liar. One, you circumvented the code on the device, the security measures preventing you from running ANY unsigned code. ANY. It's in the EULA that you agreed to when you purchased the console. But then again I think IP / Patent law is only to protect corporations and prevent anyone from getting ahead of the big established electronics manufacturers.

It didn't hurt the original xbox.
not the PSone
not the PS2
not the PSP
not the PS3
not the 360
not Dish Network
not Direct TV
not Comcast (modems hacked)
not Game of Thrones (most pirated show ever)
not Walking Dead (second most pirated show)

So where are these out of work coders and devs? They have a website, maybe I can donate some money to help them go back to school or pick a different profession -- because if you are out of work in this industry, it's because you aren't worth sh*t -- not because of piracy.

*** over time I will say, I do purchase software, and games. Usually because I like it, it does what I want, and I want support. Or if it's a game I want uninterrupted online play. But then again I am almost 40 so I have the means to do so. But I also have no problem/guilt when I need something and just head to Kickass and get it.

TotalInsanity4 · Apr 15, 2015

Kelton2 said:
Due to my personal situation, I pirate a lot. I know that it's wrong and I won't try to defend the concept, but I still pirate and I dislike when devs intentionally restrict what they release to prevent piracy. On the backup side of things, I have had a personal experience with that as well- my Super Mario Galaxy disc broke, so I had to pirate the game.

Honestly, for this reason I now respect you more than anyone who tries to defend piracy through non-existent legal loopholes

charleskimble · Apr 15, 2015

I don't know if I'm alone here, but I truly do support these 'piracy' efforts but it's purely for backup reasons with all honesty.

I'm an avid collector of the physical copies of games, and I like to keep my products sealed in mint collection, as any collector would... unfortunately, I would LOVE to play these games as well, but unless I buy a 2nd copy, I can't even enjoy the products I buy and I can't afford the money to buy 2 copies (1 copy alone is already ridiculously expensive). I know, it sounds a bit ridiculous that I buy games to keep them sealed, but that mint copy of a physical game is really what my collection is about. These games are not cheap either - they cost a pretty penny, especially the limited edition ones, so for me to buy TWO copies just so that I can actually play the game is way too much money to spend.

I just hope those anti-piracy members truly do understand that there are people out there like myself who just want access to having a legal, backup copy of the items I've purchased already.

I don't think I'm alone in this perspective, but just keep in mind that there are legitimate usages for these backups for some people as well.

TheZander · Apr 16, 2015

TotalInsanity4 said:
Honestly, for this reason I now respect you more than anyone who tries to defend piracy through non-existent legal loopholes

uhhh clinton signed a thing in 93 about how its kosher if you take your electronic stuff duplicate it on floppies and sell.

mixelpixx said:
Piracy really isn't a "thing". It was only created or became a concern when companies with no explanation as to why their software sales sucked so horrendously when questioned by Shareholders & Board of Directors. I run a construction company, I can't claim that because I didn't make a sale, that I took a lose. It just didn't happen. Only the entertainment industry gets away with saying because you didn't didn't by it, they had a sad and lost money.

Any "hacker" that claims he is doing this for the scene, and not so there can be piracy is a hypocrite and a liar. One, you circumvented the code on the device, the security measures preventing you from running ANY unsigned code. ANY. It's in the EULA that you agreed to when you purchased the console. But then again I think IP / Patent law is only to protect corporations and prevent anyone from getting ahead of the big established electronics manufacturers.

It didn't hurt the original xbox.
not the PSone
not the PS2
not the PSP
not the PS3
not the 360
not Dish Network
not Direct TV
not Comcast (modems hacked)
not Game of Thrones (most pirated show ever)
not Walking Dead (second most pirated show)

So where are these out of work coders and devs? They have a website, maybe I can donate some money to help them go back to school or pick a different profession -- because if you are out of work in this industry, it's because you aren't worth sh*t -- not because of piracy.

*** over time I will say, I do purchase software, and games. Usually because I like it, it does what I want, and I want support. Or if it's a game I want uninterrupted online play. But then again I am almost 40 so I have the means to do so. But I also have no problem/guilt when I need something and just head to Kickass and get it.

didnt the ps2 sell at a lost and made up with software sales? but at least you didnt mention dreamcast, i dont theres a way in hell anyone can argue the blatant non-purchasing of games that sent sega to pimping sonic to nintendo for years to come

mixelpixx · Apr 16, 2015

didnt the ps2 sell at a lost and made up with software sales? but at least you didnt mention dreamcast, i dont theres a way in hell anyone can argue the blatant non-purchasing of games that sent sega to pimping sonic to nintendo for years to come

Again, NO. Piracy DOES NOT AFFECT THEM. DOES NOT. Please stop acting like it does, IT DOES NOT. Hardware is ALWAYS sold at a loss. ALWAYS. Until about 1/3 to 1/2 way through life cycle do they ever get costs for hardware down to where they make a profit. That is the business model. Hardware for cable, satellite, internet, gaming is extremely expensive to initially produce. If their sales aren't good in general they will lose. You sell consoles if you have the game titles people want to play, the games make you money initially, then as you reduce costs for the hardware you start making a profit there as well. You might try going back and reading Financial Times or some other resource to see what the companies internals were like when Sega failed.

Nintendo for example is getting beat the fuck up by investors over the fact they aren't addressing ANY concerns over their recent decisions. Why no DVD / Blu-Ray? Instead of being stubborn OLD twats (this is another issue being discussed, Nintendos management is all over 110 yrs old (j/k but they are seriously old) why not work with Activision and others and bring some real titles in? Why no Mario Kart 8 on console release day? This has nothing to do with Piracy -- but these are the things that will bring them to their knees.

This is why they need "piracy" -- they NEED something to blame for their own ineptitude.

uhhh clinton signed a thing in 93 about how its kosher if you take your electronic stuff duplicate it on floppies and sell.

President doesn't decide that. I think it's Library of Congress / National Archive that sets those rules. And as far as I know, "back-ups" are legal, but thats why most DVD / Blu-ray come with a digital copy now. Selling software? Unless it's yours -- nope. Now say old nintendo ROMS, you can now host those openly on the web, free for download (you are not allowed to charge) -- why? Because the console is no longer manufactured or maintained, the format was proprietary, and the physical form of the unit hardly exists anymore. It's still nintendos IP, but the control over it due to age and relevance has been relaxed.

See it's not as easy as "you're meany, you're a stealin'".

TheZander · Apr 16, 2015

The clinton comment was meant as a slight because of the bogus legal loopholes things said beforehand. I've heard the clinton thing for years it was real prevalent when p2p programs were still a thing ( kazaa, limewire, etc..)

Also I'm not saying piracy is responsible for all the debacles these manufacturers face. I definitely did not try to insinuate it hurt the WiiU at all because that doesn't make sense.

I'm also not sure on how you determining the detrimental effects of piracy on the things you listed as well. Have you really gone through the hassle of studying financial earnings vs piracy? I can't even begin to imagine how to account this. I also have never taken accounting. That also works on why I have no ability to argue piracy necessarily screws consoles / 3rd party game developers.

That being said, the console that I could point at ( or company) that got screwed around the worst by piracy would be that of the Sega Dreamcast. Now I know it was not a top selling console by any means, they did even at the time released Sonic titles on the DC and the superior GameCube simultaneously. Despite the actual dismal console sales for a console that did not suck by any means. I think it could be argued that piracy was definitely a nail in the coffin. This is also based on my own conjecture and first hand experience of piracy that was prevalent around me. Every Tom, Dick and Harry could easily jack games and burn them on their DC. This is in comparison to other consoles where they would have no idea where to start or that it was even a thing by piracy on the DC was as mainstream as mainstream gets. Most people I knew then ( and even now ) are totally oblivious when it comes to matters such as these, but even these people with utter lack of facilities and barely being able to read and or bathe all together incompetent imbeciles were able to copy a boot.bin and an iso on a CD and put it in their DC.

regarding " See it's not as easy as "you're meany, you're a stealin'". "

I don't see it a moral issue at all, I see no reason why someone should have a guilty conscience for stealing intellectual property. Frankly if you can turn internet and a computer into video games in your console then bravo. Not however going into stores and shoving video games in your pants or any shoplifting, stealing discount gum at checkout line? That's greasy and anyone who shoplifts is a jerk. Downloading a HBO show? Who cares. ( I also don't watch that show, but it's pretty cool 5 episodes were leaked. Reminded me of when it happened for a season of 24 which was awesome) I was arguing towards the notion that piracy doesn't hurt the video game industry noticeably or to great effect. That may of been true years ago, but those slobbering morons that can now somehow manage to get facebook on their smartphones who before would be stumped staring at a rotary telephone or crush their tomogachi out of frustration now have the ability to what was once a keen skill or know-how. Google " Free games on PS3" or if their really smart "PS3 backup loader" and get a youtube video that has a person show you how to do it exactly thus superseding the need to be able to read which would otherwise blockade these people from anything.

All in all, to reiterate my arguments were towards that piracy doesn't hurt or have a significant detrimental effect on the gaming industry which may of been true of years past. I have nothing to say about morals or conscience because I don't have one opinion towards that at all. And frankly I don't feel strongly about this issue as you or others either. I saw a thread for piracy discussion and put in my two cents I have no interest in attacking anyone's character for a means to win a debate.

PhyChris · Apr 16, 2015

piracy Is a win win situation. If you are smart enough to make use of it on your console. I mod consoles for friends all the time and they are considered average users. they always come back to me when they want more games added. I have showed them shitloads of times how to do it themselves but the average user is daunted by these tasks. remember the average user does not even login to sites like this, so we are arguing amongst our above average selves

Edit: I mean console game piracy. not movie piracy. we all know movie piracy hurts.

Mr. Mysterio · Apr 16, 2015

PhyChris said:
piracy Is a win win situation. If you are smart enough to make use of it on your console. I mod consoles for friends all the time and they are considered average users. they always come back to me when they want more games added. I have showed them shitloads of times how to do it themselves but the average user is daunted by these tasks. remember the average user does not even login to sites like this, so we are arguing amongst our above average selves

Edit: I mean console game piracy. not movie piracy. we all know movie piracy hurts.

I agree. Piracy games (usually) won't hurt the company's sales, but pirating videos absolutely hurts the economy. Even then, I only pirate games for the try-before-you-buy aspect. If I love a game, I buy it. (If I can.)

PhyChris · Apr 16, 2015

Mr. Mysterio said:
I agree. Piracy games (usually) won't hurt the company's sales, but pirating videos absolutely hurts the economy. Even then, I only pirate games for the try-before-you-buy aspect. If I love a game, I buy it. (If I can.)

yep, And before anyone starts arguing 'piracy is piracy' take a look at a torrent site and see the difference in seeds between a game title and movie title

digipimp75 · Apr 16, 2015

PhyChris said:
piracy Is a win win situation. If you are smart enough to make use of it on your console. I mod consoles for friends all the time and they are considered average users. they always come back to me when they want more games added. I have showed them shitloads of times how to do it themselves but the average user is daunted by these tasks. remember the average user does not even login to sites like this, so we are arguing amongst our above average selves

Edit: I mean console game piracy. not movie piracy. we all know movie piracy hurts.

Agreed. I flashed an Xbox 360 drive for a friend, and showed him everything needed to get started. (where to get isos, showed how to run through abgx and patch, media types, what kind of burner to buy, etc) It was "too hard and overwhelming" for him so he just bought a pack of Verbatims and gave them to me. Whenever a new game comes out he just bugs me to burn it lol

Chary · Apr 16, 2015

If this hasn't been posted already, I think this is the best explanation on the subject of piracy.

PhyChris · Apr 16, 2015

digipimp75 said:
Agreed. I flashed an Xbox 360 drive for a friend, and showed him everything needed to get started. (where to get isos, showed how to run through abgx and patch, media types, what kind of burner to buy, etc) It was "too hard and overwhelming" for him so he just bought a pack of Verbatims and gave them to me. Whenever a new game comes out he just bugs me to burn it lol

HAHA! same here. remember when the drive FWs were being released every few months to keep up with the antipiracy on the discs? man'o man did i have a headache trying to explain that they needed there drive FW updated to play their new games lol

Deleted User · Apr 16, 2015

Rizzorules said:
I think that if someone release a backup loader or a cfw a lot of people wil buy a lot of wiiu, is sad that there are no many games to pirate, the only ones are Super smash bros, mario kart 8, new super mario, injustice and zelda.

That would increase the chance of my family buying a Wii U. We have pretty low amounts of money at the moment, and a USB loader would help save lots of money.

Deleted User · Apr 16, 2015

TotalInsanity4 said:
Alternatively, you can check out...
-this thread by Tomato Hentai if you want to discuss piracy on a multiple-platform scale
-this thread by pokemoner2500 if you want to discuss piracy on the Nintendo 3DS

I might shove the 3ds link and the link to this thread in my OP for the all-around piracy thread I made.

FPSRussi4 · Apr 16, 2015

Tomato Hentai said:
I might shove the 3ds link and the link to this thread in my OP for the all-around piracy thread I made.

I like yours, it's better to just have a big discussion.

Deleted User · Apr 16, 2015

FPSRussi4 said:
I like yours, it's better to just have a big discussion.

That's true, but sometimes I guess it's also good to stick to one topic specifically, if that's what you feel like doing.

Deleted User · Apr 16, 2015

FPSRussi4 said:
That's great and all but you're forgetting shipping, making it 42$.

Shipping prices suck. You could buy something for $0.99 CAD and shipping could up that to 50 depending on where you're getting it from.

FPSRussi4 · Apr 16, 2015

Tomato Hentai said:
Shipping prices suck. You could buy something for $0.99 CAD and shipping could up that to 50 depending on where you're getting it from.

Canadian shipping from US sucks.

Deleted User · Apr 16, 2015

TeamScriptKiddies said:
I have an 8 year old in my house, this is one of the major reasons i support legitimate backups. Perhaps you dont have any young children at home, but i for one know the $60 makes for a pretty expensive frisbee, but lets agree to disagree

My sister has a bad habit of leaving Wii discs and Wii disc cases with the disc inside them on the floor, she's nearly stepped on our Wii Fit Plus and Wii Fit discs. Backups are helpful when your discs are at risk of being stepped on and broken.

driverdis · Apr 16, 2015

Tomato Hentai said:
My sister has a bad habit of leaving Wii discs and Wii disc cases with the disc inside them on the floor, she's nearly stepped on our Wii Fit Plus and Wii Fit discs. Backups are helpful when your discs are at risk of being stepped on and broken.

This ^

years ago,I had to Resurface Mario Kart Wii, Boom Blox, and Wii Fit as my sister brought them to a friend's house (without permission even) and their Wii put scratches on the discs to the point of having read errors (or so she told me...).

After this incident, I started backing up Wii games to the HDD because I softmodded the Wii soon after to do so.
Until the local video store started offering disc resurfacing a year later, I rented Mario Kart Wii and installed it's disc to the HDD since mine was no longer usable.
The Wii has been only ever seen discs for ripping to the HDD after that day and all my games are put away (and my sister denied from ever borrowing games again).

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