Hacking Official "Will Xenoblade Chronicles 3D work on Gateway or Sky?" Thread

motezazer · Apr 1, 2015

Quote from OFFICIAL guide :
"At this point , the cursor will go to the line 1150, as long as the back-end of line 1150 shows CTR-P, it means this game can be wrote normally, you can make the next step , otherwise , it means that the game will not support writing for Sky3DS any more."

Angel_Rejects · Apr 1, 2015

Guys,xenoblade doesnt fit in my memory card,it says it's too big.How do i trim it to make it smaller?It's 4gb.And can this game be played with 9.0 emunand?

4ur0r · Apr 1, 2015

motezazer said:
Quote from OFFICIAL guide :
"At this point , the cursor will go to the line 1150, as long as the back-end of line 1150 shows CTR-P, it means this game can be wrote normally, you can make the next step , otherwise , it means that the game will not support writing for Sky3DS any more."

I don't know if I understand correctly (maybe I don't want to understand at all

) but couldn't that means simply that a new template with the correct bytes placements could let Sky3DS run New 3DS games?

Ronhero · Apr 1, 2015

Angel_Rejects said:
Guys,xenoblade doesnt fit in my memory card,it says it's too big.How do i trim it to make it smaller?It's 4gb.And can this game be played with 9.0 emunand?

Format your sd card to exfat or trim the rom

Angel_Rejects · Apr 1, 2015

Ronhero said:
Format your sd card to exfat or trim the rom

what program do i use to trim the rom?I have never trimmed a rom before
btw does this work with 9.0 emunand?

paura01 · Apr 1, 2015

zoogie said:
Xenoblade is KTR-X-YYYY so there may indeed be a problem.

KTR-CAFP-EUR

crc32: 1ab128fd
md5: 38f416faef16182e379e5e5d82a87427
sha-1: 45ed8560b9d6e468efa9934d2bc5efb20a3a4e67

Ronhero · Apr 1, 2015

Angel_Rejects said:
what program do i use to trim the rom?I have never trimmed a rom before
btw does this work with 9.0 emunand?

http://eden.fm/ndstoykotrim/ and yes reports say it works on 9.0 emunand. You can always use 3dnus to update to 9.5

xile6 · Apr 1, 2015

upfromtheskies said:
They would have to connect to Nintendo when they first put the game in their 3DS, and it would check that it's a legit registered copy and then they could use it.

how would that stop anyone?
You do know that when a game is rip it is copy and everyone gets the same copy. So it would be registered in there system.
Also that means the game would need internet connection ever time its play.

gamesquest1 · Apr 1, 2015

i wouldn't be surprised if it does work but sky3ds never release a template for it, says it doesn't work and brings out a new green button version, if its working on gateway without a FPGA update its almost certainly using the same protocol, nintendo only changed the encryption that would still work as normal on sky3ds......hopefully they don't try pull another fast one and claim it needs a revision

4ur0r · Apr 1, 2015

gamesquest1 said:
i wouldn't be surprised if it does work but sky3ds never release a template for it, says it doesn't work and brings out a new green button version, if its working on gateway without a FPGA update its almost certainly using the same protocol, nintendo only changed the encryption that would still work as normal on sky3ds......hopefully they don't try pull another fast one and claim it needs a revision

As I understood it's not a matter of template (happy to be wrong) but a matter of architecture, if indeed the Sky3DS acts like a normal 3DS cartridge, Xenoblade won't work because the architecture of the New 3DS cartridges is different.

Ronhero · Apr 1, 2015

gamesquest1 said:
i wouldn't be surprised if it does work but sky3ds never release a template for it, says it doesn't work and brings out a new green button version, if its working on gateway without a FPGA update its almost certainly using the same protocol, nintendo only changed the encryption that would still work as normal on sky3ds......hopefully they don't try pull another fast one and claim it needs a revision

If sky replicates an actual cart don't you think it would be an error since the n3ds would recognize it as a regular 3ds game? I wonder if they will need to find a new game cart to exploit for n3ds games

Angel_Rejects · Apr 1, 2015

Ronhero said:
http://eden.fm/ndstoykotrim/ and yes reports say it works on 9.0 emunand. You can always use 3dnus to update to 9.5

Thank you

Kohmei · Apr 1, 2015

4ur0r said:
Xenoblade won't work because the architecture of the New 3DS cartridges is different.

If this was true, we wouldn't have been able to dump the ROM

The only question is if the part of the Sky3DS that sents the "CTR" code is modifiable or not. If they hardcoded it, then it won't work, but if it's just part of the template, then it will easily work

motezazer · Apr 1, 2015

4ur0r said:
I don't know if I understand correctly (maybe I don't want to understand at all ) but couldn't that means simply that a new template with the correct bytes placements could let Sky3DS run New 3DS games?

It means that SKY3DS won't allow a game that doesn't begin with CTR (because it will think that's not a 3DS game)

4ur0r · Apr 1, 2015

Kohmei said:
If this was true, we wouldn't have been able to dump the ROM

The only question is if the part of the Sky3DS that sents the "CTR" code is modifiable or not. If they hardcoded it, then it won't work, but if it's just part of the template, then it will easily work

I don't know much about techicism of the card, but we can dump 3DS cartridges saves with a multitude of devices (powersave, r4i save dongle and even nds), why dumping the rom seems so impossible?

Kohmei · Apr 1, 2015

4ur0r said:
I don't know much about techicism of the card, but we can dump 3DS cartridges saves with a multitude of devices (powersave, r4i save dongle and even nds), why dumping the rom seems so impossible?

It's not impossible. I'm speaking hypothetically.

It means that if what you said is true, ie "The new3DS cartridge format is different", then the following is also true: "We cannot dump the ROM (without modifying existing tools)"

Since the latter isn't true, the former can't be true.

xile6 · Apr 1, 2015

4ur0r said:
As I understood it's not a matter of template (happy to be wrong) but a matter of architecture, if indeed the Sky3DS acts like a normal 3DS cartridge, Xenoblade won't work because the architecture of the New 3DS cartridges is different.

true, that would explain why it hasnt been block yet and how it never needs updating.

Its still possible that it could work. Im not sure how the new 3ds games are tho.

But if they have to make another cart for new 3ds games it wouldnt be to bad. Right now it wouldnt sell tho since this is the only one out.

gamesquest1 · Apr 1, 2015

ok well basically unless sky3ds are a bit stupid, they can get all the info they need from the rom itself, afaik most of the actual template file is just to verify games before you copy them to the cart with disktool, it would only be the chipID and header stuff that arent stored in the rom, which are required in the template file for the games to work online, as i said, gateway also functions fundamentally the same way, but its only detected as a game in gateway mode, but the principle behind both cards is technically the same when it comes to forwarding the rom to the console, so the only way sky3ds wouldn't work is if they where stupid and decided to "block" something that had no reason to be blocked, there would be absolutely no reason to always use CTR as the header.....just use whatever the rom uses, ......as per usual dont fix what ain't broke

Chaldron · Apr 1, 2015

gamesquest1 said:
ok well basically unless sky3ds are a bit stupid, they can get all the info they need from the rom itself, afaik most of the actual template file is just to verify games before you copy them to the cart with disktool, it would only be the chipID and header stuff that arent stored in the rom, which are required in the template file for the games to work online, as i said, gateway also functions fundamentally the same way, but its only detected as a game in gateway mode, but the principle behind both cards is technically the same when it comes to forwarding the rom to the console, so the only way sky3ds wouldn't work is if they where stupid and decided to "block" something that had no reason to be blocked, there would be absolutely no reason to always use CTR as the header.....just use whatever the rom uses, ......as per usual dont fix what ain't broke

Yep exactly - unless the Sky team intentionally blocked all non-CTR headers, it should work.

motezazer · Apr 1, 2015

Chaldron said:
Yep exactly - unless the Sky team intentionally blocked all non-CTR headers, it should work.

The official guide states that Sky3DS will refuse non-CTR headers (see my older post)

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