Hacking Gateway support for Firmware 9.0 – 9.2 Coming

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I've rephrased my earlier post because it seems there's a spell of confusion going around.

Here are the facts as provided by GW as of today
  1. GW says to stay on 9.0-9.20
  2. 9.x support is implemented via software update NOT hardware update.
What we can know from "GW says to stay on 9.0-9.20"
  • Absolutely nothing at all.
  • It could be that it's a more limited exploit, it could be to prevent confusion, it could be to prevent users on 4.x having to wait a long time for this new update
  • Basically there are too many possibilities to form any single logical conclusion
What we can deduce from "9.x support is implemented via software update NOT hardware update."

The software update can either be a newer version of launcher.dat OR it could be a FPGA update

Assume that its a FPGA update
  • Previously a FPGA update was done via the use of a launcher.dat which then flashed the newer instructions to the FPGA. It stands to reason that this will be the case this time round as well since it was used before.
  • A FPGA update could be done via automatic flashing of an image on GW's mSD card IF there are some inbuilt routines in the GW card. This is unlikely to exist since GW opted for the launcher.dat method. It is also unlikely that GW would have the foresight to implement such a routine during the previous FPGA update as the launcher.dat method works well for them, there's no reason to go the extra mile
  • HENCE, it is likely that a FPGA update will be done via a launcher.dat. This means kernel access.
  • It could be possible that a FPGA update be done via a userland exploit like sspwn but extremely unlikely as userland exploits will not have the necessary permissions (i might not be correct on this but correct me if I'm wrong)
Next up, it's just a newer launcher.dat

  • Still need a kernel exploit to launch launcher.dat
  • Upside is that this will mean that 9.x will be able to do everything 4.x can.
Hence in conclusion,
  • No matter if GW chooses to update FPGA or just replace a newer launcher.dat, it STILL REQUIRES a kernel exploit.
  • This means that based on what GW has told us so far, it most definitely means it's a new 9.0-9.2 kernel exploit
But wait!
  • Blah blah it could be blah blah
  • GW has not shown this so it must mean blah blah
  • Why would GW say blah blah if blah blah
  • ALL THE ABOVE 3 points are just baseless useless meaningless speculation.
The conclusion that there is a new 9.x exploit is based on the fact that gateway has said it's a software update and hence determining the types of software update that are possible and then deriving the means to achieve the software updates, this conclusion can only be disproved IF GW has lied about it being a software update solution OR if miraculously a userland exploit has the necessary permissions to perform a FPGA update.




"the deriving of a conclusion by reasoning; specifically : inference in which the conclusion about particulars follows necessarily from general or universal premises — compare"

I made a conclusion based on the premises that GW says that its a software update.

I've eliminated usermode exploit as a means of updating the card as IIRC usermode does not have any permissions beyond SDK and AFAIK, updating the FPGA will require elevated privileges which requires kernel access. I might be severely wrong on this BUT I know for sure that the majority of people here do not know if its possible to do such a thing with userland. THIS becomes speculative and hence I immediately disregard this as there is simply no way to tell for sure. Preupdating the card? Etc etc? This are all just tidbits pulled out of orifices without any substantiation. Not to say that it's impossible just that we can't know for sure since GW has not mentioned anything. Bam. More useless speculation.

My theory is based on reasoning derived from what we DO KNOW so far. I'm not saying that in the end it has to be the only possible explanation. I'm saying that until GW decides to release more information, it's the only logical explanation. This is what you're not getting. I'm insisting that my theory is accurate on the premises that what information gateway has provided as of late is true. This may change later on.

As of now, all other explanations are rendered meaningless because they are explanations pulled from thin air in a futile attempt to bring meaning to the current situation. Also, you fail to see that I do not admit that my theory is iron clad, I admit that the whole thing will fall apart with new conflicting information. As for you, you're just trying to minimalise the impact of my theory by calling me a small person and rude when all I have done so far is to refute other wild speculative theories that have little to no basis on facts.

1. If they are using a "kernel exploit" (read: they can run code in the ARM9 context), then they don't need to update the cards' FPGA in the first place.
2. You don't just need a "kernel exploit" you need to run "user mode" code as well in order to initiate the ROP chain and eventually trigger a privilege escalation exploit so you can run your code in "kernel mode" (by user mode I mean at the start you can only use ROPs/return to lib to perform operations), so yeah you do need a "userland exploit" before you can hope to gain the ability to run your own code on the device (I mean other than a bunch of ROPs)
3. All your post is pure speculation until details from the gateway devs get unveiled.
 

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well i think they are, but idk, the general rule i go off is to type the website address and "scam" etc into google and see what turn up :P
They are on the shoptemp.net website but can anyone just get on shoptemp.net and put up their website or are there requirements?
 

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When do you guys think they will release the support for 9.2.0? I just bought a Blue Black 3ds XL on Amazon hoping it would be 4.5 but It was 6.5... And I don't want to deal with all that returning stuff.
 

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Just go to the official gateway website (linking is prohibited I think) and look at the official resellers list and buy one from the mentioned stores there.
 

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Sincerely, you really though it would be shipped with 4.5 FW ? It many years old now !

It's a product of 2012 and I contacted them to confirm. I know not all but vast majority of 2012 products come with 4.5. I guess I was unlucky
 

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Paypal doesn't want to have flashcards being payed via PayPal, that's why you don't find it or only via a private mail, which they'll sent you. But this is rare.

And if you don't trust the official retailers, you can only buy a flash card from a person on the forum or another source where you have "direct" contact to the person. Many people have ordered from the different sites mentioned there and didn't seem to have many problems most of the time but I can understand your sceptisim. Point is, they are selling Flashcards for rom usage, so they are already in an edgy business to begin with that's why you won't find a gamestop or amazon for Flashcards and hence you get negative reviews within that - ah, let's called it - scene.

Either buy from the official distributors or a person from the forum, otherwise you are simply out of luck and have to trust the offical sellers list. Nobody here will give you a 100% assurance that you will get your stuff without any problems, like I said, it is not amazon - they are selling things for illegal activities, simply accept to find nothing 100% bullet proof.
 

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Wait so I can buy the currently available Gateway 3DS, and they will release a firmware update soon for it to work on 9.0+ 3DS's? Or will people need to buy a whole new Gateway 3DS card?
 

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No, same card but nobody knows if you need a 4.5 3DS to update the card once or if there will be some other method, so you could do it yourself on 9.2
 

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I saw that realhotstuff had some good reviews but do they pay with paypal? And have you bought from them before?

I've bought from RHS many times over the last couple years and have never had a problem. And just this past friday I ordered the gateway 3ds, and got it yesterday via USPS. RHS is located in New Jersey,and I live in California.

Unfortunately they don't accept paypal, which for most people will stop them from ordering from them.
 

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No, same card but nobody knows if you need a 4.5 3DS to update the card once or if there will be some other method, so you could do it yourself on 9.2

Ah, so I can purchase a Gateway 3DS right now, basically? The only downside is that it might be a necessity to have a 4.5 3DS. Damn, I only have a 9.0 one.
 

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Ah, so I can purchase a Gateway 3DS right now, basically? The only downside is that it might be a necessity to have a 4.5 3DS. Damn, I only have a 9.0 one.
it may not be necessary, but basically hold onto you money and wait to see what gateway say in regards to 9.x support, i would imagine they will share more info soon
 

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Yeah, that is the point, nobody knows. Just hold onto your horses and wait what you'll need. Then you can decide to buy it once we know more.

I ordered mine a few days ago at a risk but even if I need a 4.5 to make an upgrade once, I'll finde someone with a 4.5 for sure.

But like I said, wait and see.
 

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Schrödinger Gateway's Cart.

The only way you'll find out, is to open the box.


Telling 4.X users not to update means either:
1. the solution is unstable
2. the solution does not use emunand
3. the solution will not be in public yet, so continue staying on 4.x so we get to play our games presently.


it's not that much a big deal.

We waited forever for a flashcart,
and then eons has passed and they finally implemented multi-rom

(bet some of ya forgot the single rom, single sd card days already).

So now, let's just board the hype rayquaza and wait again.

i doubt it , ssspwn uses red nand , same as emunand basically so we do know that emulated nand is possible on 9.x still
GW would not release it till it is tested and stable
3 is right,
they obviously are not going to tell people to update now because it is not ready yet, hopefully they hold out till the launche on NA new3ds and it still hasnt been blocked for launch new 3ds units in NA and EU
 

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i doubt it , ssspwn uses red nand , same as emunand basically so we do know that emulated nand is possible on 9.x still
GW would not release it till it is tested and stable
3 is right,
they obviously are not going to tell people to update now because it is not ready yet, hopefully they hold out till the launche on NA new3ds and it still hasnt been blocked for launch new 3ds units in NA and EU
Hehe, your sense of community is touching "hopefully they will wait till it releases in NA".
 

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i doubt it , ssspwn uses red nand , same as emunand basically so we do know that emulated nand is possible on 9.x still
GW would not release it till it is tested and stable
3 is right,
they obviously are not going to tell people to update now because it is not ready yet, hopefully they hold out till the launche on NA new3ds and it still hasnt been blocked for launch new 3ds units in NA and EU

red nand is only on 4.x tho...the other homebrew exploit is user mode. which isnt kernel level.
 
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