Sony: Dead in the water

teh_raf3 · Oct 4, 2006

Whatever the case will be, Playstation 3 will sell very well and in long terms might be profitable for Sony.

skywarp · Oct 4, 2006

QUOTE(teh_raf3 @ Oct 4 2006 said:
Whatever the case will be, Playstation 3 will sell very well and in long terms might be profitable for Sony.

I don't think so. I don't think any amount of software sales will ever pull the Playstation 3 itself to into profitable margins, the real profit would come from securing blu-ray as a mainstream media format.

lagman · Oct 4, 2006

QUOTE(skywarp @ Oct 4 2006 said:
QUOTE(teh_raf3 @ Oct 4 2006 said:

Whatever the case will be, Playstation 3 will sell very well and in long terms might be profitable for Sony.

I don't think so. I don't think any amount of software sales will ever pull the Playstation 3 itself to into profitable margins, the real profit would come from securing blu-ray as a mainstream media format.

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And when the cheapest player cost $600 , that´s hard

teh_raf3 · Oct 4, 2006

I'm not only talking about the software sales, the hardware parts will become cheaper to produce so they might make profit from that. Nontheless, Playstation 3 isn't Sony's only product they sell, so they should still be fine.

Ace Gunman · Oct 4, 2006

QUOTE(skywarp @ Oct 4 2006 said:
QUOTE(teh_raf3 @ Oct 4 2006 said:

Whatever the case will be, Playstation 3 will sell very well and in long terms might be profitable for Sony.

I don't think so. I don't think any amount of software sales will ever pull the Playstation 3 itself to into profitable margins, the real profit would come from securing blu-ray as a mainstream media format.

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And that doesn't seem to be what's happening. Although obviously we're going to see Blu-ray sales pick up with the release of the PS3, but the question is, will it be enough? Owning a PS3 doesn't mean you're automatically going to buy Blu-Ray. I could buy a next-gen format player any time I want to, I just have no interest at the moment, I'm pretty much waiting the format war out. And the same goes for alot of people.

But people need to start wrapping their heads around this, the facts are their in black and white. Sony is losing money on every front except movies, and that's only because of Spider-Man. The fact is though, Spider-Man 3 isn't coming out for 7 months, and then after that, the money train is gone (which is likely since the cast said they probably won't return even if they were asked to do more sequels). Blind faith doesn't equal facts, and the writing is on the wall.

Sony will never be the company that invented the Walkman again, that was over 25 years ago. They've since become so swolen and fat with greed and power that they've lost every shed of their humility "You can't afford a PS3? Work overtime you poor lazy bastards!", it's a sad day when that's a companies mindset on this kind of thing. Recently the president of Sony's computer entertainment division (Ken Kutaragi) was asked what Sony thought of the PS3's competition, his reply? "We don't care". Can you believe that? That's a sign of weakness. History has taught us that anyone or any company that thinks they're untouchable... are infact the weakest of us all. When you get sloppy and stop caring, that's when the competition takes you down.

Extreme Coder · Oct 4, 2006

Very interesting read Ace Gunman

I know we all wish Sony perishes forever(who doesn't) but, let's be realistic, even if the PS3 doesn't sell well and it doesn't come out first this generation, this might make Sony actually think of how they should market their stuff.
But what I really wish for is that Sony leaves the video game market alone. I'd be much happier with only Nintendo and Microsoft in the video game market.

PURPLEMUSTANG · Oct 4, 2006

Before anyone flames me I willl state that I WILL be buying the WII and will actually import 2000 units to this country.Now regarding SONY:

1-The playstation name has established itself kind of like mercedes-benz has.They may be expensive but they still outsell BMW by far.so will ps3 maybe sales won't be hot at first but evryone will dive into one as soon as the price drops.

2-As for the electronic industry(tv's,home stereo ,dvd players..etc) yes LG/SAMSAUNG/PHILIPS/PANASONIC are doing it cheaper.But I know for a fact is that when I buy a SONY that it will last indefinitely.(Again this is for the electronic industry as my ps2 has internals worse than my FORD V8 neverthe less I love both

3-I think the ps name has made SONY more popular than ever so I don't think they will just let it die away.BTW sony software itslef has come a long way:God of war,Shadow of collosus.

So in contrast here is what I think :it will be like super nintendo vs sega genesis/megadrive all over again but this time it's nintendo vs sony.which means only one thing :better games and entertainment for everyone.

Golds · Oct 4, 2006

best post of the year lead poster!

now that the cheaper ps3 has HDMI out, I will spend 499 (which will probably go down a little) to play final fantasy.

Cause what does the more expensive one have? blu-ray (pbthh), a card reader for pictures (I have a pc in the next room), wireless g (the cheaper one has a wired slot, 100ft of cable!)

I think we are worrying way too much about sony.

delta123 · Oct 4, 2006

and even if sony did bust you have to think that they will just merge with another company. that's what they are all doing these days.

Chrono1102 · Oct 5, 2006

This is gonna suck in more ways than one for me.

I never pledged to be a Sony fan, but I personally do not like where Nintendo is going with the Wii (I can't aim worth shit.) This leaves me to believe that if the PS3 does as poorly as everyone believes it to be, I might have to switch to Microsoft. Problem is, my bro is a Microsoft fan, meaning it's going to be difficult to get any games for the 360, seeing is i don't have his income.

So does this mean that I'm gonna stop playing newer generation console games for good?

Screw it, I'm gonna play on my Dreamcast...

al-ds · Oct 5, 2006

Nice articles and some nice comments guys

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Thinking back i wouldnt give a %^# paying $1000AU for a ps3.. for these two reasons:

1. I payed over $1000AU when the 3DO first came out.
2. I payed over $1000AU when the PS1 first came out.

I dont see what the big deal is with the price, sure it sounds expensive (but has the option of a cheaper model) but you look back in the industry and that high price is nothing new.

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Also every company goes down and up percentage wise with major announcements in there industry, its all part of share trading and part of the game.

skywarp · Oct 5, 2006

It doesn't have to happen anytime soon, but if blu-ray EVER becomes the next "DVD", Sony will really be in the money, They will make a royalty on every retail disc ever sold, which is pretty crazy. I don't necessarily think it's a brillant business strategy, since they will be losing god awful amounts of money for years on the PS3, when they are already indept(I think..). And if some other next-gen format beats out blu-ray, Sony as we know it will probably die.(IE, enormous amounts of downsizing).

I think Sony was pushed into this situation thou by Toshiba and HD-DVD, otherwise it would be alot more intelligent IMO to wait untill next gen console to really push blu-ray, because most people aren't really interested, and HD-TV's still aren't popular enough yet. But they have to rush the technology to the public to compete for mindshare, since that's all that really matters.

elfgirl_45 · Oct 5, 2006

I'm just bummed there's no pre-order (yet?), I was planning on getting one and turning it around for some quick cash.

I like Sony and Nintendo more than Microsoft, so I really hope both systems do well and have plenty of good games to keep me busy. Otherwise I'm just going to keep playing my PS2 and DS. I think the PS3 will do fine in the longrun though especially when prices drop, it's what people already know and are used to, more of the same basically. The Wii has me more skeptical... new and innovative... hopefully it's fun!

Opium · Oct 5, 2006

I don't think Sony is going anywhere.

- If Blu-Ray succeeds they will make a hell of a lot of money from licensing.

- Even thought Sony losses money on each ps3 they sell they make it all back in software sales.

- PS2 had over a 50% market share last gen. PS3 has that enormous market share to pitch to. I know heaps of people who have no real interest in video games but they all know what a playstation is, they don't know what a gamecube is though.

- I know people who bought a PS2 just because it had a dvd player in it. Many will buy a ps3 just because it has a Blu-Ray player in it.

- Only hardcore gamers actually read up about all this type of crap anyway. Most people will walk into the store and see a new playstation, "omgz it's the new thing! So powerful, very pretty" and buy one. PS3 will constantly be in high demand. Xbox360 has had it's time to capture people's attention before the 'new sony' came out. I don't think people are going to care about the xbox360 when the ps3 is out. I know someone who bought an xbox360 then afterwards heard about the ps3 and now wants one of them instead because it's more powerful.

Not that I want or could ever afford a PS3, but I think it's very premature to cast sony off already.

shadow1w2 · Oct 5, 2006

Id like to see Sony go third party again.
They made some decent SNES and Sega Genesis titles.
Though it was mostly crappy Sony pictures movie based games, but they did make some good origonals like Equinox and Soul Blazer (snes)

Though Id wonder, who would take Sony's place if they droped out?
Think an old company might jump in? Or an Ipod gaming machine would appear.
Or of all things, Nokia lol xD

I think sony wont have too much trouble staying alive, they have squezzed by so well for so long now.
Though they are making alot of bad choices lately. I wonder what they are thinking.
Maybe the domination over the market is getting too their head too much?
They certainly sound like it.

Though as much as I dislike Sony and their methods of gaining exclusives by evil contracts, they are good compitition for companies I like. So sony should try to figure out what their doing before its too late.
A good rival is a good rival.

lastdual · Oct 5, 2006

Sony isn't going to dissapear.

Kind of like the US government with domestic auto makers, the Japanese government helps prop up their mega corporations as well. Even if the PS3 fails, the chances of Sony dying out are very slim.

However, expect to see some corporate heads roll if the PS3 doesn't sell well and/or blu-ray goes the way of betamax...

.TakaM · Oct 5, 2006

i want nothing more than sony to fail.
never liked sony, never will and every stumble theyve made Ive been smiling.

still I cant see them failing, theyre fanbase alone will probably hold them up

Westside · Oct 5, 2006

QUOTE(Opium @ Oct 5 2006 said:
- Only hardcore gamers actually read up about all this type of crap anyway. Most people will walk into the store and see a new playstation, "omgz it's the new thing! So powerful, very pretty" and buy one. PS3 will constantly be in high demand. Xbox360 has had it's time to capture people's attention before the 'new sony' came out. I don't think people are going to care about the xbox360 when the ps3 is out. I know someone who bought an xbox360

, that is so true. My uncle dont know what it is, but he will buy a PS3 just because it looks like an expensive grill.

About $ON¥ mp3 players though, they are actually very good, and with the new NW-e000 series, it may help them out alot. I don't know why but as long as you use some other software than sonic stage, the players are pretty and they also sound beautiful.

Ragone · Oct 5, 2006

That's what you for being stubborn and using stupid formats that nobody else will (UMD/BluRay)

Wii all the way.

JohnDrake · Oct 5, 2006

Sony has given everyone outside of the USA and Japan the finger! We're getting the console last and we're paying a lot more for it.

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