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There's a difference between "running" and "running well". Sure, consoles can still run games towards the end of it's life cycle, but it'll look like crap and low frame-rates. As an example this gen, Far Cry 3 looks better on PC with all the settings turned down to minimum then on consoles. And the last of us? Are you saying that it looks better than The Witcher 2? Crysis 3? Far Cry 3? Does TLOS have tessellation? Post-processing?

And consoles have no issues running AAA titles? Perhaps you remember the whole ordeal about Skyrim becoming super laggy on PS3 after your save file becomes too large.

I respect people who prefer consoles, but suggesting that consoles have graphics that even come close to PCs is straight-up wrong. Consoles will never and has never had better graphics than PCs.


Crysis 2/3 were made with Consoles in mind you need to look at Crysis 1 for a real benchmark of a PC since that was made with just PC in mind and it still holds up as the most graphical intense game
 

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There's a difference between "running" and "running well". Sure, consoles can still run games towards the end of it's life cycle, but it'll look like crap and have low frame-rates. As an example this gen, Far Cry 3 looks better on PC with all the settings turned down to minimum then on consoles. And the last of us? Are you saying that it looks better than The Witcher 2? Crysis 3? Far Cry 3? Does TLOS have tessellation? Post-processing?

And consoles have no issues running AAA titles? Perhaps you remember the whole ordeal about Skyrim becoming super laggy on PS3 after your save file becomes too large.

I respect people who prefer consoles, but suggesting that consoles have graphics that even come close to PCs is straight-up wrong. Consoles will never and has never had better graphics than PCs.




I think we can chalk this thread up as a success.
 

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Alrighty I had spare time and I whipped up something simple. It includes everything that you'd need to get everything up and running. It costs $804.88 uh not sure with tax though.

Overall the GPU is good enough that it'll run your games any way you see fit. Sure it won't max out everything with super high anti aliasing but with a decent enough 1080p monitor you won't have to. Running games won't be a problem with 8gb and the motherboards capable of upgrading quite a bit for da future. I included the bare essentials that you'd need with the cheapest, yet better rated, products. In other words none of this is "shit" but its not super duper amazing either.

Intel Core i5-3350P Ivy Bridge 3.1GHz (3.3GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 69W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116782

ECS H77H2-M3(1.0) Motherboard (supports 2x PCI, 6 Sata, 16gb Max Memory, PCIe 16 3.0, etc.)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813135306

PNY GeForce GTX 650 2GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 3.0 x16 Video Card(it'll run shit!)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133474

Kingston HyperX Blu 8GB (2 x 4GB) (8gb is plenty, you could even go to 4gb if you want to cut costs)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104262

Western Digital WD Blue WD5000AAKX 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache(saves your porn)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136769

Hanns-G HE225DPB Black 21.5" 5ms Widescreen LED Monitor(its fast enough, supports 1080p)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254100

LITE-ON DVD Burner(to watch porn with)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289

TOPOWER Black computer case(for when pink just aint good enough)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811237026

Logitech MK120 Black USB and mouse(its cheap YET good enough)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126097

RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-730SS 730W Power Supply(for when you need the power.. to watch porn ^.^)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152036

Logitech S120 2.0 Speakers(it aint surround sound but you dont need surround sound.. to hear porn)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16836121013
 
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RAIDMAX HYBRID 2 RX-730SS 730W Power Supply(for when you need the power.. to watch porn ^.^)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817152036

Get rid of that RAIDMAX PSU. RAIDMAX is a brand of PSU that needs to be avoided. Nothing good comes out of it (and 730 W is absolutely overkill). Just because it is listed on Newegg does not mean it is a quality PSU (yes Newegg stock garbage brand and RAIDMAX is one of such brand).

Lite-On DVD drive is notoriously loud, Samsung/LG/ASUS are much better brand.

$800+ budget and on such cheap case is a shameful spending. You'll have ventilation problem, cable management problem, and GPU fitting problem with that case.

Hanns-G is a Chinese brand company. They don't design their monitor at all. All of its monitor comes from unknown Chinese factory. Reliability is a big concern.
 
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Get rid of that RAIDMAX PSU. RAIDMAX is a brand of PSU that needs to be avoided. Nothing good comes out of it (and 730 W is absolutely overkill). Just because it is listed on Newegg does not mean it is a quality PSU (yes Newegg stock garbage brand and RAIDMAX is one of such brand).

Lite-On DVD drive is notoriously loud, Samsung/LG/ASUS are much better brand.

$800+ budget and on such cheap case is a shameful spending. You'll have ventilation problem, cable management problem, and GPU fitting problem with that case.

Hanns-G is a Chinese brand company. They don't design their monitor at all. All of its monitor comes from unknown Chinese factory. Reliability is a big concern.



I have a 600 W Corsair PSU and it purrs like a kitten. A trusted brand, but yeah, RaidMax is bad. Asus makes excellent monitors and so does LG and Dell.


Current monitor - Asus VH238H http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236117 Very excellent, it's what I have.

Tower - Cooler Master HAF 922 http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master...eywords=COOLER+MASTER+HAF+922+RC-922M-KKN3-GP
 

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Relax man if you want to go out and find something then go ahead. I figured I'd invest my time and find something within his price range which is whats important.

I can personally vouch for that PSU as I bought one myself and as for 730 watts being overkill? hardly. The DVD drive is just for installation he's highly unlikely to use it 24/7 or even care if its louder. Remember he plans on using Steam. Everything comes from China and that monitor got good reviews. There's nothing wrong with that case, you don't need a high quality case. It holds things, it outputs air, it does its job :D
 

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Relax man if you want to go out and find something then go ahead. I figured I'd invest my time and find something within his price range which is whats important.

I can personally vouch for that PSU as I bought one myself and as for 730 watts being overkill? hardly. The DVD drive is just for installation he's highly unlikely to use it 24/7 or even care if its louder. Remember he plans on using Steam. Everything comes from China and that monitor got good reviews. There's nothing wrong with that case, you don't need a high quality case. It holds things, it outputs air, it does its job :D


Whoa, I was just throwing out suggestions based off what I had is all...:P
 

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Whoa, I was just throwing out suggestions based off what I had is all...:P

Oh no no I was responding to trumpet's post not yours. I wasn't trying to sound defensive or anything either I was just saying if you wanna build a computer in his price range with better parts then go right on ahead. Everyone else up until now have been suggesting really pricey builds which is completely unnecessary.
 

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Haven't been up to date with the latest PC building news and whatnot so if someone has any improvements feel free to improve, but anywho here you go R4Liam
http://uk.pcpartpicker.com/p/1lSgo

Things I did not include
Monitor - If you have one it must at least be 720p
Mouse & keyboard
Speakers
Operating System

If you think this still cost too much let me know.
 

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I plan on completely transitioning over to PC gaming, as I plan on upgrading to a more powerful computer anyway. My only gripe with PC is that I don't think CoD will ever get split screen support on PC, and that PC/PS3 gets map packs like a month after the 360 does.Another issue that I will probably have is the fact that most of my friends don't really have PCs that are powerful enough to run newer games with, and will probably already own a next gen console. I feel that getting a good gaming PC is worth it because I can get my games easier without being too hard on my wallet, and because mods can help keep me interested in my games longer, since I love to tinker around with graphics and performance and such (kind of why I prefer android over iOS).
 

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Pro tip, never buy those already "built" PC's, because they are over priced, it's always better to make your own. And if your not sure on what to choose ask here or on the shop if those are the best parts options.
I Recently upgraded my pc to an i3-3220, Asus P8B75-M LX and 4GB DDR3 (HyperX Blu) And damn it makes a difference to what i had on my old Dual Core. But my bottleneck now its my crappy GPU (GT 520). Cant run any game at 1080p. But with a little overclock I can use it for everything.
My suggetion: i5 3rd gen cpu (since its for gaming), GTX 680 (or better), 1TB HDD, 4GB DDR3 ram (just for start, you can always buy an extra 4gb), and a 800Watt PSU. You can get better stuff depending if you have extra money. But since this is a pc you can later on add something else.
 

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With console, you're "stuck" with a device that will run cut-down versions of every AAA title that they decide to release and then maybe patch or maybe not patch
Skyrim PS3, Minecraft 360, etc.

Also as time goes on games on the 360/PS3 started getting their graphics noticeably cut-back because because the game being on a console does not mean the power is always good enough over time (like I keep saying, consoles are just pre-built computers with a locked OS, they're not magic), there's plenty of PS3/360 games that are running on a lower resolution or with lower texture quality, etc.
 

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Regarding the Raidmax PSU, whilst I agree its a brand to be avoided, 730W is not overkill from them. It'll probably never pump out more than 600W, and that is more than enough for a gaming rig. The main weakness will be the quality of power on the 12V rail.

It's like using cheap petrol in a Ferrari. Sure it'll work, but it will suffer for it. It needs premium! Look after your car! <insert Simpsons caption>
 
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go for a haswell setup, 1155 is dead...
a GTX 760/770 depending on your budget;
8gigs (1600mhz+) of ram shall be enough for gaming;
for a motherboard depends on your needs; but dont see a point to go over $100 (Samsung 840 PRO; are currently the fastest);
almost forgot, get an SSD - 120gigs min. so you enjoy all the spweeeeed;
600w psu, personal recommendation - (Corsair)
 

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There's a difference between "running" and "running well". Sure, consoles can still run games towards the end of it's life cycle, but it'll look like crap and have low frame-rates. As an example this gen, Far Cry 3 looks better on PC with all the settings turned down to minimum then on consoles. And the last of us? Are you saying that it looks better than The Witcher 2? Crysis 3? Far Cry 3? Does TLOS have tessellation? Post-processing?

I'm not saying that PC versions of games are inferior. Of course you are going to be able to play them on higher settings when you have a machine that is way more powerful and way more expensive. The real question is: Would TLoU have benefitted (as a game) from those features you mentioned? I would argue that it would not. Similarly, with games like Journey, The Unfinished Swan, Super Mario Galaxy, Call of Duty, etc. that player is not necessarily having an inferior gameplay experience because of the lack of advanced processing power.

And consoles have no issues running AAA titles? Perhaps you remember the whole ordeal about Skyrim becoming super laggy on PS3 after your save file becomes too large.

As many PC enthusiasts would probably be quick to point out (they are all about specs, after all), the Xbox 360 version of Skyrim had no such issue, even though it was a less powerful console. That issue in particular had less to do with the PS3 lacking processing power and more to do with it being an absolute bitch of a platform to code for. Hell, even now, seven years later, my PS3 still locks up fairly regularly on the XMB. The PS3 was a horrible platform - which is why I'm confused as to why so many are rushing headlong towards the PS4.

While we're on the issue of problematic games, however, as most games as still created targeting consoles first, there are WAY more horrible PC ports than there are horrible console ports. I can't be arsed to make a list of references to this phenomena right now, but it's a truth of the industry.

I respect people who prefer consoles, but suggesting that consoles have graphics that even come close to PCs is straight-up wrong. Consoles will never and has never had better graphics than PCs.

True, but I'm not sure where I claimed that.

Basically, now isn't a great time to be building a gaming PC if you plan on buying the new consoles this holiday season. While they won't compete with $1000 PC's, the $400-$500 console you will be buying will have a significant amount of graphical oomph, and a lot of focus afforded to it by developers. With console cycles starting to become as long as they are, you would be much better off building a gaming PC a handful of years down the road when the consoles are starting to show their age. That way you could build a similarly powerful machine for much less, or get a much more powerful machine for the same money.
As always, other opinions are available.

Skyrim PS3, Minecraft 360, etc.

Also as time goes on games on the 360/PS3 started getting their graphics noticeably cut-back because because the game being on a console does not mean the power is always good enough over time (like I keep saying, consoles are just pre-built computers with a locked OS, they're not magic), there's plenty of PS3/360 games that are running on a lower resolution or with lower texture quality, etc.

See above.
 

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Relax man if you want to go out and find something then go ahead. I figured I'd invest my time and find something within his price range which is whats important.

I can personally vouch for that PSU as I bought one myself and as for 730 watts being overkill? hardly. The DVD drive is just for installation he's highly unlikely to use it 24/7 or even care if its louder. Remember he plans on using Steam. Everything comes from China and that monitor got good reviews. There's nothing wrong with that case, you don't need a high quality case. It holds things, it outputs air, it does its job :D
Then you are slowly killing your PC. Problem with RAIDMAX is that its PSU have problems with ripple control. Ripples are unwanted variation in DC power, and are one of the enemy in electronic components. RAIDMAX does not comfort to ATX specification regarding ripple (exceeding 120mV on +12V rail).

It will be in your best interest to replace that POS ASAP, rather than vouch for it.

730 W is indeed overkill. I recently posted a screenshot showing that 3770K + HD7870 only consumed 267 W at stress. Although I agree with Originality, that PSU probably can't deliver 730 W anyway.

And no, when you are using decent CPU and GPU, you want a good case. Crappy case will trap air, and in return traps heat. If you are on serious budget Rosewill Challenger or NZXT 210 are much better than that TOPOWER case. As for DVD drive, it'll be really noise each time you turn on the computer.
 

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Then you are slowly killing your PC. Problem with RAIDMAX is that its PSU have problems with ripple control. Ripples are unwanted variation in DC power, and are one of the enemy in electronic components. RAIDMAX does not comfort to ATX specification regarding ripple (exceeding 120mV on +12V rail).

It will be in your best interest to replace that POS ASAP, rather than vouch for it.

730 W is indeed overkill. I recently posted a screenshot showing that 3770K + HD7870 only consumed 267 W at stress. Although I agree with Originality, that PSU probably can't deliver 730 W anyway.

And no, when you are using decent CPU and GPU, you want a good case. Crappy case will trap air, and in return traps heat. If you are serious budget Rosewill Challenger is much better than that TOPOWER case. As for DVD drive, it'll be really noise each time you turn on the computer.

Seconded. Best list on the net for good PSUs:http://www.eggxpert.com/forums/thread/323050.aspx
 

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