Microsoft Creative Director Comments on Always-Online

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That's a class response from Orthy at the end there.

EDIT: I swear half the threads here are stolen from Neogaf.

Let's be honest, Neogaf is a better source than most of the sites that get posted here. I'd take Neogaf in a source battle any day.

Honestly, I hope Microsoft does an online only console. I really do. That way they can suffer. And before you say "HUR DUR FANBOY", I mean they can suffer and learn from their mistakes, then come back and be good again. Before I would say the 360 was the go to console, but as of late, no.

Paying for Xbox Live is a joke. It really is. There's absolutely no benefits to it at all. Especially when having to pay that, to use a service (netflix) that you already pay for, that's just dumb and not right.

Their exclusives aren't that great anymore. You can only count on Halo and Gears of War and Forza for so much. And their Kinect titles is a joke. With third party support and exclusives, the PS3 just blows it out of the water.

Paying for XBL is dumb in it's own right. You get nothing in return. People say "you get better community, better servers, better security" and all that, but let's be honest, Xbox Live has been hacked and is all the time. That's why you see games like Halo and CoD and FIFA suffering from hackers and glitchers, and all the security info that gets leaked.

I'm not saying PS3 doesn't get hacked, but people aren't saying the PS3 is fool proof, people say XBL has very little hacking. And that's simply not true.


And with this online only thing? I hope it's true, so they suffer so they can become the great company they once were. They need to be brought down a notch so they can start treating their consumers with dignity and respect, and you know, start rewarding them for something they're paying for. I mean shit, here in B.C Canada alone, there are many, MANY, MAAANY spots where the internet is either too port, crapping out all the time, or none at all.
 

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Still not seeing anything in those tweets that would suggest a perpetual internet connection is a requirement...
 

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Jesus Christ, lol.

Shit's ending up on NBCNews as well as a bunch of non-gaming sites now.
 

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...also, local 3G/4G stations have backup power supply around here - I'm pretty sure about that. I've always had great reception during power outages. :P
They have a power supply independent of your particular city block (or private villa, not sure where you live; your particular node, anyway), but it still relies on the grid.
 

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They have a power supply independent of your particular city block (or private villa, not sure where you live; your particular node, anyway), but it still relies on the grid.
That's entirely possible, I'm pretty sure they are all connected to a variety of grids to maintain proper network operation - we have a lot of relay stations around here, signal's pretty sweet. B-)
 

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That's entirely possible, I'm pretty sure they are all connected to a variety of grids to maintain proper network operation - we have a lot of relay stations around here, signal's pretty sweet. B-)
And of course that applies to the rest of the world as well.
 
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Channel 2 news just had a report on this. They said, "Microsoft's new foray into video game consoles, the Dingo...." (I think they meant Durango)
The female news anchor then proceeded to say that she just bought a new Xbox 3 (I think she meant 360) for her son, and that they need to stop making consoles so much
 

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This guy is an idiot. If I were ever considering buying the upcoming xbox, just the comments made from this guy would make me change my mind.
Why would he say stuff like this as the creative director of Microsoft?

Not everyone has internet, and if they want an xbox now they can't have one unless they pay more for internet connection. It doesn't matter if it's 2013; not everyone has to have internet and that's basically what this guy is saying.
 

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Not everyone has internet, and if they want an xbox now they can't have one unless they pay more for internet connection. It doesn't matter if it's 2013; not everyone has to have internet and that's basically what this guy is saying.

Not to distract from the larger matters which do have merit but

1) The would be xbox is an entertainment device.
2) "[Not everybody] has to have internet" - we did see rulings that internet is something resembling a human right the other year. Many governments, especially those in developed countries, have expressed desires to have very high percentages of people online. As it stands a lot that the average person participating in a country can be done online or may even be considerably easier to do online. Short version of that is the internet is becoming and being pushed towards being another basic utility like electricity or perhaps like a phone.
 

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Channel 2 news just had a report on this. They said, "Microsoft's new foray into video game consoles, the Dingo...." (I think they meant Durango)
The female news anchor then proceeded to say that she just bought a new Xbox 3 (I think she meant 360) for her son, and that they need to stop making consoles so much
You have a link?
 

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I haven't been following console news. If they go with the "always-on" approach, are they still going to charge for Xbox Live service on the new console? Is this basically a subscription-based console?
 

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Here's the problem. I live in a small town in Washington. Around here, the best internet connection you can hope for without getting wireless is very slow. We don't have the option for fiber-optics or anything nice like that. It would take us several hours to load a single YouTube video. Even after getting wireless internet, the local area doesn't have quite enough transmission towers or whatever they use to send the signal out for us to pick up with our receiver. It's a lot faster than what we had before, but not anything that I would call "High-Speed". The thing is, as bad as the connection is, it's still the best option we have for this area.

Now, even though this isn't the best situation, I still don't have a doubt that my internet connection is fast enough to run an always-online console. The problem is, issues can still come up. Just a little while ago, we started having connection issues and had to call our provider to figure out why we were unable to get online. The guy who picked up the phone told us that there was something wrong with the tower and that they were having problems fixing it. They'd have it fixed at some point, but they didn't know how long it would take. We waited two whole weeks with no internet connection at all, and finally got upset enough to call again to see what in the world was taking so long fixing the tower. We got a different person picking up this time, who explained that there had never been an issue with the tower in the first place, and walked us through the process to figure out the issue through our end. It turned out that somehow, our receiver had lost the connection with the tower and needed to re-do the settings and connection, and the guy on the phone showed us step-by-step on how to do it.

Needless to say, we have an internet connection working again. (Obviously, since I'm able to write this) However, it does prove a point. It doesn't matter how awesome your connection is, something can still go wrong. When you have a power outage, there's not really anything you can do about it and you just wait until the power's back on. If my internet connection is down, I can still play the games I paid for on my current systems without a problem. They don't have to be online to play them, and I play mostly single-player games anyways, so I don't have to go online in any matter to play them. If I had wanted to play a single-player game, let's say the newest Final Fantasy or something, on the new X-Box, I would be unable to do so for multiple weeks until the internet connection was fixed, and if we hadn't noticed the funny colored lights on our receiver on the roof and decided to call our provider to find out what they meant, we still wouldn't have our connection and I still would be unable to play the game that I paid over fifty dollars for, not including the multiple hundreds of dollars I'd be paying for the console. I would just have an incredibly expensive paperweight.

I don't have a doubt that there are people out there who have a strong and reliable connection at all times and are not inconvenienced in any way with an "always-on" console. However, there are enough people with situations like mine that it needs to be an option instead of a requirement. At the very least, let me play the single-player games I have for the thing. I mean, if you think about it, these games are going to be multiple gigabytes big, right? If my internet connection is bad enough that a constant high-speed internet connection is a major problem for me, how on earth am I to be expected to download a 500 GB or whatever sized game to pirate it in the first place?
 

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This really makes me wonder how they'll manage advertising this on the product itself. I have a feeling an always online requirement is something you can't throw under fine print, rather it needs to be clearly stated on the box itself. Microsoft is definitively going to try marketing the hell out of always online to make it seem not bad but having a warning label on the box is bound to scare off some customers (and a bad launch if it happens).
 

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Not everyone has internet, and if they want an xbox now they can't have one unless they pay more for internet connection. It doesn't matter if it's 2013; not everyone has to have internet and that's basically what this guy is saying.

If someone doesn't have internet, I doubt they'd have enough money to consider getting an expensive new console anyway. Or even a cheap old not that expensive console.

Pretty much everyone DOES have internet, the problem is that the internet isn't always reliable. I mean, my girlfriends internet likes to blip in and out at times, that would completely suck if you were in the middle of an offline singleplayer game and it was all "lolwhoops no internet gtfo" and you lost hours of progress cuz it killed the game. Always-online is a completely retarded feature on basically every level.
 

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