"PS4" announced at Playstation Meeting 2013

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Had we still been in the days where assembly skills and in depth hardware knowledge were the order of the day I might have agreed for home consoles.
There I would be poring over instruction sets, architectures and similar such things, however modern compilers/languages as well as the desire for multiplatform have made assembly as more than a learning tool largely obsolete (and security potentially troubling things a lot there as well), ignoring shader languages (which tend not to be touched that much- see why every game is gunmetal grey and dogshit brown) most people on consoles do not have to fight too hard with getting hardware focused coding done (optimisation still happens but it is more code level than hardware and back up through it all), PPC and X86 (which is hardly the greatest instruction set) both being high end CISC processors means a bit and multicore beyond 2 cores largely being a pipe dream I would then look to graphics memory setups (dedicated vs shared), capabilities for onboard storage/install (not sure what goes here- I would have thought it would have been a certainty but the 360 slim seems to have moved back a bit from that so I have no idea), disc read speeds and the actual SDK (as far as what is provided for as far as network and what is required of you to as far as interfacing with the vendor online stuff). The only thing that might see me raise an eyebrow is the speed and precision of the floating point engine; the PS3/early Cell caught some flak for not having terribly high precision floating point engine.

Will I be able to use the term WiiPS720u similar to how I use PS360 today- not unless someone in an investment side of a game company gets broken in the head, calls someone that channels http://catb.org/jargon/html/story-of-mel.html and they port a lazily made PS720 title to the Wii U. Can I see a slight graphical downgrade* but still essentially the same game vs the current "they share a similar name" model- absolutely.

*asterisk as it could be the case that not everybody wants to employ seven kinds of texture artist and will instead just kick their 3d modeller the job as it was back in the day and the WiiPS720u becomes a valid term after all. Indeed several companies seem to have already gone in for this and made several games I actually quite like (alpha protocol and Deadly Premonition to name but two), not to mention the increased look at things like cel shading.
 

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My bet is it will be a second Wii in third party support,
with few ports from Capcom, Activision and Ubisoft.
More like you hope it will be. Why are you so pessimistic fix on that most multiplat games wouldn't
be on the Wii u when the gap isn't nearly as big as wii to ps3? (I know why, you just won't admit it.)
 

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I'm a bit shocked to see they named it PS4, since the number "4" closely sounds like death in Asian language (read Tetraphobia). Similar to here in US we tend to avoid the number "13" (Triskaidekaphobia).
Whereas here where I am we don't care about superstition because it means nothing whatsoever.
 
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Doesn't the 360 have a 3 (6) core IBM PPC?

No, X360 uses a Xenon IBM CPU.
Its cores are sightly modified versions of the PPE in the Cell processors used on PS3.

More like you hope it will be. Why are you so pessimistic fix on that most multiplat games wouldn't
be on the Wii u when the gap isn't nearly as big as wii to ps3? (I know why, you just won't admit it.)

It's architecture is very different from PS4 and PC ones,
it is underpowered, and the situation of WiiU doesn't seen to be much different from Wii situation.

I criticized once WiiU and suddenly you got butthurt and started assuming shit.
Do you really think I'm the blindly biased one?
Stop kissing Nintendo's ass.
 

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No, no, no - it did have Voice Chat. It's just that nobody on the planet owns a Wii Speak add-on.

I don't think you know what sexism is. If you categorize the candidates on the basis of their gender and choose a female candidate not because of her higher qualifications but because she's a woman, that's sexism. Similarily, chosing a black presenter just because he's black to appease the coloured audiences is racism.

If you want to be fair, you don't choose a presenter because of his/her gender, colour of skin or any other characteristic features outside of their qualifications for the job.

Problems like these are usually solved by this fun thing called "Job Interview" - it's a late 20th century invention - you round up people with similar qualifications and ask questions, you might've heard about it at some point.
sexism usually implies 'prejudice' based on sex. There's definitely a 'preference' based on gender -- again, the assumption is all candidates are already equally qualified -- but is that preference really 'prejudice' in the normal meaning of the word? What would be a prejudice-free way to choose a presenter from 15 equally qualified candidates? By lottery? From an organizer's perspective, those speakers were there to project and maintain a certain image for Sony. This conference is about PR. The image you want to project to the public is a deliberately and purposely crafted image, you don't leave things to chance in PR.

I think the introductory video and speech did a good job at projecting the kind of image Sony actually wanted to see projected for the company and its products: "Sony products are for everyone". I just think they could've done a better job at maintaining that image for the remainder of the show if they had a more diverse presenter lineup. Now, is it 'prejudice' to deliberately choose a different gender candidate from a pool of qualified candidates because you want a more consistent message to be delivered to the audience? I don't know. I think it's justified.

but thanks for the reminder that there are always "job interviews" to solve problems like those. No wonder gender representation in employment and career advancement has never been an issue ever since the invention of job interviews!
 

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You're holding the other candidate's gender against them in the selection process; yes, that is prejudice. A more subtle form perhaps, but prejudiced nonetheless. In the end, you're discriminating based on gender, and that's wrong, mmkay?

(Pro-tip in race/gender/etc.: If it would be wrong to flip it around ("Among all equal candidates, I would only give the job to the man."), it's probably just wrong in the first place.)
 

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Sorry if it's already been mentioned - I'm at work and can't read through 25 pages of comments. I just noticed in the last weekly newsletter from play-asia.com this was listed:

PlayStation 4

PlayStation4 Console System EUR US$ 599.90
PlayStation4 Console System US US$ 599.90
PlayStation4 Console System JPN US$ 599.90

Dual Shock 4 Controllers

Dual Shock 4 (Black) JPN US$ 69.90
Dual Shock 4 (Black) US US$ 69.90
Dual Shock 4 (Black) EUR US$ 69.90

It was linked to their site, but the price there was changed to "N/A". So this might not say anything, just wanted to mention it...
 

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It's architecture is very different from PS4 and PC ones,
it is underpowered, and the situation of WiiU doesn't seen to be much different from Wii situation.

I criticized once WiiU and suddenly you got butthurt and started assuming shit.
Do you really think I'm the blindly biased one?
The ps2 was "underpowered" to the gamecube and same for all consoles vs PC. Ps3 architecture was difficult to developed for and it still got games. The wii u power gap isn't nearly the same as wii to ps3 and the architecture is easier to use then the ps3. The games are still being work up for us to see and and play sometime after e3. So I don't see what the problem is.

Yes, because you are a hypocrite towards Nintendo in general.

To state that the controller isn't meant to add to gameplay, but solely to get casuals.
Which isn't even true. It's crazy that it is taboo to add anything to gaming.

Possibly looking at the ps4? What do you call the facebook (etc.) connectivity? The share button and other addition to the controller like the touchpad? The Move with the 3d camera? Playing someone else game over a connection. Are you just looking at power and didn't see they are adding things like Nintendo is doing?

720 seem like they are doing the same by upgrading kinect plus, if even partially true, with all the stuff from that leak document.

Only care about the most power and got the money for it? Get a PC.

Whatever, let's wait until e3.
 
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The ps2 was "underpowered" to the gamecube and same for all consoles vs PC. Ps3 architecture was difficult to developed for and it still got games.

The wii u power gap isn't nearly the same as wii to ps3 and the architecture is easier to use then the ps3. The games are still being work up for us to see and and play sometime after e3. So I don't see what the problem is.

Yes it was, but the PS2-GC power gap is small compared to WiiU-PS4 one.

Yes, because you are a hypocrite towards Nintendo in general.
To state that the controller isn't meant to add to gameplay, but solely to get casuals.

Which isn't even true. It's crazy that it is taboo to add anything to gaming.

Possibly looking at the ps4? What do you call the facebook (etc.) connectivity? The share button and other addition to the controller like the touchpad? The Move with the 3d camera? Playing someone else game over a connection. Are you just looking at power and didn't see they are adding things like Nintendo is doing?

I would not mind if they invested on this gamepad controller if they made a console as powerful as the PS4 and X720.
In fact, I'd pay even $700 if there was a Nintendo console as powerful as PS4.

I don't mind these features PS4 added, the same way I didn't mind Kinect,
because they are not the focus of the console, they're just unnecessary features that do no harm.
Nintendo focused on creating a new unique controller but didn't invest in power to compete with Sony and MS, why?
Because they have the same old bet: casual gamers.

Only care about the most power and got the money for it? Get a PC.

I rather play on my 50' tv, and I'm not willing to put a PC on my living room

Whatever, let's wait until e3.

I'm really anxious to it.
Probably there will be a lot more info about PS4 been released there.
I also believe many 3DS games will be released there, and that would be nice,
especially if they announce a NA version of DQM:TW
 

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You're holding the other candidate's gender against them in the selection process; yes, that is prejudice. A more subtle form perhaps, but prejudiced nonetheless. In the end, you're discriminating based on gender, and that's wrong, mmkay?

(Pro-tip in race/gender/etc.: If it would be wrong to flip it around ("Among all equal candidates, I would only give the job to the man."), it's probably just wrong in the first place.)
I totally get that not being chosen for 'something' while I seem just as qualified to me as the one being chosen except for gender, would seem unfair at the individual level. But in this particular context, I think it's justified, because the gender ratio was so extreme and non-representative that gender itself has actually become one of the relevant factors in the delivery of a message, almost in a sense that gender has become a part of the message. Even though gender shouldn't be relevant on a local level (e.g. when picking a single candidate), it is relevant on a larger community level (e.g. when choosing a candidate lineup).

A general observation I have from these types of discussions is that a lot of people seem to think that if they just switched the 'haves' and the 'have nots' in their sentences, they could make the same case for inequality. For example, rich vs poor, black vs white, men vs women, gay vs straight, christian vs muslim, etc. etc. But equality is a concept that's based on a power (im)balance across both time and space. Suggesting we should behave as if there were no power imbalance, when there clearly is one, might give the appearance of equality within a limited context in both time and space; but it won't help us to achievement the long-term overall equality, it will perpetuate the inequality.

Besides, I kinda take issue with the blanket statements about 'prejudice' and the automatic assignment of value judgement to it, I think context does matter. In a way, some sexual orientations are inherently 'prejudices' under the blanket definition, as they discriminate on the basis on sex. Does that necessarily imply that sexual orientations are wrong?
 

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