Hacking 3DS Hack: "We hacked it"

Dr Pikachu · Dec 17, 2012

Jiehfeng said:
Oh yeah no problem being suspended or something.
I'll just leave you alone and let him deal with you like strife said.

Account suspension isn't a worry to me honestly. If I were to have it suspended it would be better to have it deleted.

Yatashi Strife · Dec 17, 2012

VMM said:
It does not, unless the game is downloaded from e-shop.
The save game is a eeprom memory on the catridge.

That's interesting, but be aware, you need some money to buy the necessary development equipments.
You'll need $5000 for developing and debugging equipments for 3DS,
You'll need many hours debugging, and believe me, debugging is a pain in the arse.

And you'll need to do a partnership with a hardware manufacturer.
(It would be better to do this before starting the project,
if any manufacturer sees that it worths the investment,
it will want to fund your project, meaning less costs to you)
This is a long road, but you may achieve something great, and make lots of money

no no im starting college for computer science soon. sorry if i caused you to misunderstand. my long term goal is to become a videogame programmer, ill worry about that stuff later but good to know thanks!

Dr Pikachu · Dec 17, 2012

Yatashi Strife said:
no no im starting college for computer science soon. sorry if i caused you to misunderstand. my long term goal is to become a videogame programmer

Try DigiPen.

nukeboy95 · Dec 17, 2012

soo any new word on i dont know a release or game to run the exploit

Yatashi Strife · Dec 17, 2012

nukeboy95 said:
soo any new word on i dont know a release or game to run the exploit

Might have to wait a few days

Yatashi Strife · Dec 17, 2012

Dr Pikachu said:
Try DigiPen.

WHOAAA Did not know about DigiPen! this looks amazing!

Chary · Dec 17, 2012

This hack will be a nice Christmas present to everyone.

nukeboy95 · Dec 17, 2012

Yatashi Strife said:
Might have to wait a few days

it better not end like the dsi homebrew thats a sad sad sad story

Chary · Dec 17, 2012

Dsi home brew was sparse.

VMM · Dec 17, 2012

Yatashi Strife said:
No no no please just let the mods deal with it. can we talk about the hack before this gets locked?

Yeah sure, this whole dicussion with Dr Pikachu is getting nowhere.
For me, having the ability to play SNES and GBA games on 3DS makes it worthy

Yatashi Strife said:
no no im starting college for computer science soon. sorry if i caused you to misunderstand. my long term goal is to become a videogame programmer, ill worry about that stuff later but good to know thanks!

Ok, now I get it

That's the same reason why I became a programmer.
Good Luck

Sicklyboy · Dec 17, 2012

Dr Pikachu said:
Now that I think I might just try the idea of using an eshop game as a bootloader. I'll see what the rest of Team Rocket can come up with. Hopefully Mad Hatter knows a way.

VMM said:

Large Scale overwrite?!
Were talking about a file with less than a MegaByte

Click to expand...

Pokemon Black 2 is 512MB. That's the necessary amount of memory needed to create a partition for most operating systems. As said large scale overwrite. You would have to recode most of the game. Have you tried recoding a Pokemon game to look like a different Pokemon game? It takes weeks, especially for one man. A simple overwrite would be changing R4,#0x4 to R7, #0x6.

OBVIOUSLY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT GUYS SO THE DS HACK IS FAKE OKAY LETS JUST GO HOME

Let's put it simply.

Insert cartridge into 3DS.
3DS boots the ROM off of the cartridge.
3DS loads save data from save flash into memory.
You play your game.

The cartridge does not boot itself. I do not have a stack of free-energy powered 3DS cartridges sitting on my desk running 24/7 because they're booting themselves.

So say you have a savegame exploit. The save flash is rewritable, or else you would not be able to save your game. So you make a hacked game save, encrypt it, and use something like the R4i Save Dongle or NDS Adapter+ to write it back to the cartridges save flash. Then...

Insert cartridge into 3DS.
3DS boots the ROM off of the cartridge.
3DS loads save data from save flash into memory.
You play your game.
And with the hacked save:
You play to certain point where the modified part of the save data is accessed.
Stack overflow, crash system
Load custom code
Get some sort of higher level access and execute unsigned code. Hopefully.
Your SD card is not a part of the equation. Period. If you don't believe me, go load up any cartridge based 3DS game and remove your SD card before it loads, your save game will still be there. Or go ahead and take it out while you're playing then save your game. Your game will still save.

Dr Pikachu said:
I've actually been active lurking around on this account since I first joined so I know the rules. I just figured the website was having errors with auto-merge. Back in my administration years each website already had auto-merge. Most invisionboard websites have it enabled.

Look at the bottom of the page. "Forum software by XenForo™ ©2010-2012 XenForo Ltd." We've moved up in the world from IPB. This also has only happened about a month ago. The website is still getting back on its feet.
You're incredibly dense.
ANYWAY
I'll have to keep an eye on what happens with this. Would certainly be easy to do as a cart based exploit, my 3DS is a few SM revisions back, as is my brother's. If it turns out I can't update it or else I lose the hack, then so be it, I'll buy an XL in addition. I do need to update it and redownload all of my Ambassador games though.

Edit - if re-writing and loading modified saves weren't possible, people wouldn't be able to use Pokesav to get Pokemon with custom stats in their legitimate cartridge based games. But they do, somehow. http://cyclods.wikidot.com/homebrew:pokesav

Yatashi Strife · Dec 17, 2012

@Chary ikr?
@Nuke awman that was depressing. but i doubt that will happen

ferofax · Dec 17, 2012

Wait, what? Back-quoting? Is this like a Catch-22 going on, or Twilight Zone or something?

Is the world coming to an end?

EDIT: VMM and Dr Pikachu quoted each others post which quoted the other post. So one post quotes another which quotes the same post that originally quoted. And so on.

You guys are crazy.

Also, with the crash exploit thingy, doesn't the OS just take over as soon as a game crashes? You know, close the game, take you to the main grid screen and show you a dialog that says "Game has crashed and will now be closed"?

Yatashi Strife · Dec 17, 2012

plasma dragon007 said:
OBVIOUSLY KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT GUYS SO THE DS HACK IS FAKE OKAY LETS JUST GO HOME

Let's put it simply.

Insert cartridge into 3DS.
3DS boots the ROM off of the cartridge.
3DS loads save data from save flash into memory.
You play your game.

The cartridge does not boot itself. I do not have a stack of free-energy powered 3DS cartridges sitting on my desk running 24/7 because they're booting themselves.

So say you have a savegame exploit. The save flash is rewritable, or else you would not be able to save your game. So you make a hacked game save, encrypt it, and use something like the R4i Save Dongle or NDS Adapter+ to write it back to the cartridges save flash. Then...

Insert cartridge into 3DS.
3DS boots the ROM off of the cartridge.
3DS loads save data from save flash into memory.
You play your game.
And with the hacked save:
You play to certain point where the modified part of the save data is accessed.
Stack overflow, crash system
Load custom code
Get some sort of higher level access and execute unsigned code. Hopefully.
Your SD card is not a part of the equation. Period. If you don't believe me, go load up any cartridge based 3DS game and remove your SD card before it loads, your save game will still be there. Or go ahead and take it out while you're playing then save your game. Your game will still save.

Look at the bottom of the page. "Forum software by XenForo™ ©2010-2012 XenForo Ltd." We've moved up in the world from IPB. This also has only happened about a month ago. The website is still getting back on its feet.
You're incredibly dense.
ANYWAY
I'll have to keep an eye on what happens with this. Would certainly be easy to do as a cart based exploit, my 3DS is a few SM revisions back, as is my brother's. If it turns out I can't update it or else I lose the hack, then so be it, I'll buy an XL in addition. I do need to update it and redownload all of my Ambassador games though.

and just when we changed the topic... welcome plasma

Yatashi Strife · Dec 17, 2012

VMM said:
Yeah sure, this whole dicussion with Dr Pikachu is getting nowhere.
For me, having the ability to play SNES and GBA games on 3DS makes it worthy

Ok, now I get it
That's the same reason why I became a programmer.
Good Luck

Thank you sir

Sicklyboy · Dec 17, 2012

Yatashi Strife said:
and just when we changed the topic... welcome plasma

I aim to please.

I also aim for the toilet.

nukeboy95 · Dec 17, 2012

will street pass work with homebrew?

Yatashi Strife · Dec 17, 2012

nukeboy95 said:
will street pass work with homebrew?

that question will have to wait until we know more about the hack for sure. but if its 3ds mode, im gonna go with yes. dont kill me guys!

nukeboy95 · Dec 17, 2012

Yatashi Strife said:
that question will have to wait until we know more about the hack for sure. but if its 3ds mode, im gonna go with yes. dont kill me guys!

ok how about this will street pass work on a un-updated 3ds

Yatashi Strife · Dec 17, 2012

plasma dragon007 said:
I aim to please.

I also aim for the toilet.

rofl comments like this, is what keeps me coming back here! I love this place! xD

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