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Ultimately, I have to ask, what is the point of anti piracy measures for gamecube games for a USB gamecube loader.
But that aside, whats the point? I mean this isn't going to stop people from piracy on the Wii with gamecube games.
:rolleyes: The point is not to stop the whole piracy, just do not allow it through Devo.
FInally, I love the ability to play games that never even came to my region (such as Doshin the Giant), there is no way that I'm ever going to get my hands on a copy of that game, unless I decide to travel to a used game store in Europe or search around online for a copy of it, even though its a game I shouldn't be able to play on my console anyway, it seems so utterly pointless in that case.
Buy it in a online store and I'm sure you can play it through USBLoaders ;)

So its OK to break the region rules of how you play your gamecube games, but never ok to play a pirated copy? Where is the line drawn? Who gets the right to draw that line besides Nintendo? If it were up to Nintendo, I'd never be able to play Doshin, even if I owned it because of where I live, and of course backups aren't allowed either even if you own the game.

Do you see what I'm saying? It all seems so hypocritical. On top of all of that, we know that Nintendo doesn't care about piracy on the Wii. Their few attempts to stop it have been laughable, and we can tell that they gave up on what little fight they gave against it at this point.
 

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So its OK to break the region rules of how you play your gamecube games, but never ok to play a pirated copy? Where is the line drawn? Who gets the right to draw that line besides Nintendo? If it were up to Nintendo, I'd never be able to play Doshin, even if I owned it because of where I live, and of course backups aren't allowed either even if you own the game.
The region locks are annoying but I'm sure it is designed to avoid competition between their regional sub-companies (or whatever the term for that is) They don't want Nintendo of America loosing future sales of Xenoblade because stores are importing them directly from Europe's earlier release while NOA is still dealing with legal red tape on their side of the planet. "If it were up to Nintendo" you would still be able to play Doshin but you'd have to also import an out-of-region console to play it on (more money for them) The console you DID buy is not actually meant to play it (similar to the no-GC Wiis). Maybe a slight hardware or software modification could change that (again, like the new Wiis, at least hardware-wise) but they (annoyingly for us) don't want it that way.

EDIT : According to Neimod's tests Ninty finally got the AP right with the 3DS. It just took them a while to smarten up and get it right (they do care. They just sucked at stopping it) ... until someone makes an emulator at least ... but by that time it'll be a "dead console" as mentioned here and they'd only care about anything they wanted to port to a future VC.
 

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So its OK to break the region rules of how you play your gamecube games, but never ok to play a pirated copy? Where is the line drawn? Who gets the right to draw that line besides Nintendo?

Do you see what I'm saying? It all seems so hypocritical. On top of all of that, we know that Nintendo doesn't care about piracy on the Wii. Their few attempts to stop it have been laughable, and we can tell that they gave up on what little fight they gave against it at this point.
WTF!, are you saying that piracy is better then?
The issue here is tueidj not want to encourage piracy with his app, JUST that. There's nothing hypocritical about it and nobody cares what your moral and legal assessment make you think.

And that of: "Their few attempts to stop it have been laughable", laughable for whom? for you? sure not.
If not for the expert hackers you would not have anything, I would like see you trying to hack the wii... that would be laughable.
 
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What I'm saying is, why put limitations on one thing that Nintendo doesn't approve of, but not another thing that Nintendo doesn't approve of? Either way you look at it, you're disobeying Nintendo's wishes, and if they wanted to they could sue anyway over the simple fact that you've unlocked region free gaming. Stupid? Yes, but they could sue, and they probably would win.

I say its laughable because exploits for every patch were found within hours of the patch... thats laughable, I mean why bother, Nintendo has to know that as soon as the Wii was hacked their wouldn't be a patch that could stop the giant gates that had been opened. And while at first they doubted the knowledge of those in the scene, they quickly realized that the people that code for the Wii are incredibly smart and know their way around code, and NIntendo's ignorance to this fact was what I found to be truly laughable. Don't you agree? I don't know a thing about code, I couldn't hack the wii on my own, but I know that the people that create the likes of apps like this or Dios Mios, or WiiMC, or whoever it was that unlocked dvd playback, etc etc, the list goes on and on, these people know what they are doing. And if Nintendo seemingly took a little more time at anticipating these kinds of people would work with their system or looked more at what they were able to do to their system, than they would have known that the patches they were releasing were pathetic. That is why I say it was laughable.

I will give them cred for when they sued the guy that leaked NSMBW way early. That certainly is a more effective way to send a message to the scene, could definitely have been enough to scare people away from more hacks and leaks and whatnot. But here we are now, a few years later, and Nintendo has stopped trying to protect the Wii. There haven't been any more lawsuits nor have there been any more system updates to attempt to remove the homebrew channel and whatnot. It seems pretty clear that they've stopped fighting piracy on the Wii. I'm not saying that fact alone makes piracy on the wii ok, but I am saying that this does indeed seem to be the fact and case.
 

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What I'm saying is, why put limitations on one thing that Nintendo doesn't approve of, but not another thing that Nintendo doesn't approve of? Either way you look at it, you're disobeying Nintendo's wishes
Okay, I know I've posted this at least five times, and I don't like repeating myself, but I really need to this time it seems.

This is about the author's beliefs.

The author's.

The author is devolution is not Nintendo.
 
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Fair enough, it just seems a little hypocritical to me.
I doubt tueidj cares. Morally, there is nothing wrong with playing a game from another country. Morally, there IS something wrong with playing a game you haven't paid for. This is how tueidj feels, and that is reflected in how he has written Devolution. If you don't like it, go use DM. I don't think anyone will care.
 

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Well I do like it, but the fact of the matter is I can't, my laser has gone to shit.. has been for years now, once in awhile a gamecube game will boot, but its rare. Wont load long enough to be ripped thats for sure.
 

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I'm failing to see how this "AP" is any different from how Microsoft and Sony do disc installs, only they require that you insert the game every single time you play it from HDD...
 
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Well I do like it, but the fact of the matter is I can't, my laser has gone to shit.. has been for years now, once in awhile a gamecube game will boot, but its rare. Wont load long enough to be ripped thats for sure.
You know you can get a replacement drive for like $30, right?
 

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Well I do like it, but the fact of the matter is I can't, my laser has gone to shit.. has been for years now, once in awhile a gamecube game will boot, but its rare. Wont load long enough to be ripped thats for sure.
You know you can get a replacement drive for like $30, right?
Why should he pay for something he dont (should not) need?
 

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Well I do like it, but the fact of the matter is I can't, my laser has gone to shit.. has been for years now, once in awhile a gamecube game will boot, but its rare. Wont load long enough to be ripped thats for sure.
You know you can get a replacement drive for like $30, right?
Why should he pay for something he dont (should not) need?

Why assume that JoostinOnline was referring in the least to Devolution and not simply stating that replacement drives were easy to come by should duffmmann like to get one? Why comment on it 3 days later? Why?
 
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Well I do like it, but the fact of the matter is I can't, my laser has gone to shit.. has been for years now, once in awhile a gamecube game will boot, but its rare. Wont load long enough to be ripped thats for sure.
You know you can get a replacement drive for like $30, right?
Why should he pay for something he dont (should not) need?

Why assume that JoostinOnline was referring in the least to Devolution and not simply stating that replacement drives were easy to come by should duffmmann like to get one? Why comment on it 3 days later? Why?
Exactly. I was trying to be helpful, since it's no fun having a console with broken parts. Maybe my post didn't contribute quite as much as your comment (which was just an overwhelming help to us all, thank you so much), but I do what I can.
 

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i have a legit clean (no scratches) copy of Sonic Adventure 2 Battle that runs fine with dios mios, and devo refuses to validate it. Make Me Spagetti ^_^. On top of that, it works fine with Standard MIOS. so there is nothing wrong with the disk. :/
 

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