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To be honest, I had to look through other people's lists to find things that I haven't at least tried. I will at least make an effort to borrow a system or play at a friend's house anything for a system I don't have that gets enough hype.

Never Played:
1. Gears of War - never got a chance to play it, mainly because I never knew anyone who had one of the games. Heard the first one was good?
2. Forza - My friend has a few of these, but his wheel broke before I got a chance to try it! Never bothered though, because any time I'm at his house and the 360 is hooked up, I'm playing import tuner challenge, haahah.
3. World of Warcraft - Doubt my PC could run it, and I'm not big into pay-to-play
4. F-Zero - I have no idea, it just escaped me at every possible turn. I wasn't into 'futuristic' games as a kid, so that was part of it.
5. Demon's Souls - Don't know anybody who has it, though I want to try it pretty bad.
6. Any number of PC 'sci-fi' games (Riddick, Deus Ex, Bioshock, System Shock, etc.) - I would go out of my way to avoid these as a kid. Now some of them are just too old and I skip over them when they're on sale at GOG. Some day I might try them out..
7. Ico - A bit rare by the time I found out it was supposed to be good, plus everyone described it as 'puzzles!!" which does not interest me in the slightest. Though after playing SotC I'm mildly interested.
8. Dragon Age - Wasn't too interested in 'KOTOR and Jade Empire meet Tolkien', but a recent review made me want to try it. Computer can't run it though.
9. Command and Conquer - I have seen people play this, but I'm not sure I've ever played it myself.
10. Wild Arms - Someone who I have massive respect for (our taste in gaming is pretty similar) loves this series. It's his favorite, I believe. Yet I haven't tried a single one! Shame on me!
11. Many platformers (Spiro, Jak and Daxter, Rayman, etc.) - I honestly don't know. Never seemed like my type of thing, even when they were recommended to me. I don't feel like I'm missing anything either, though if someone forced me to play I wouldn't be like, "NOOOO!!!"

And now more to FAST's original intent (I think?), when I do try a 'legendary' series, I keep an open mind and try to push on to the end, even if I don't like the game. Most games deserve a fair shake, as much tolerance as time will allow... but then there are those I cannot appreciate, even on a basic level. And this isn't, "trash crap that people love!" day, either. I absolutely can't stand the Zelda games, but I at least understand why a lot of people love them. Not so much for these games...
And please, I don't want anyone to be offended. My favorite game series is a car racing RPG that would bore most people to tears (in fact, it HAS bored some people to tears...), I don't expect anyone else to share the same tastes.

1. Half-Life - ughh, seeing as I have friends who love this game to death, I've tried countless times to get into it. No can do. Every 'puzzle' is the same tired crap I've suffered through 20 other FPS games, and no I don't care if HL was the first to do it.
2. God of War - Struck me as a really boring DMC clone. Upon clearing the second level (somehow without falling asleep?) all of my friends agreed. I can understand wanting to slaughter giant monsters in cool QTE scenes, but not so much mashing buttons for an hour before-hand just to get to that point. At least not when I can just play DMC, which has well-crafted gameplay (well, the 3rd and 4th at least).
3. SaGa Frontier - I freaking love SaGa 1-3, some of my favorite games of all time (for nostalgic reasons and otherwise), but the Frontier series could not grab me - which is a dang shame, because it has a fanbase that seems really cool! I've tried both a few times, but always got turned off after an hour or two.
4. Star Ocean - Struck me as generic even though I liked the semi-sci-fi settings, and as with any other JRPG, if I feel it's generic after a solid 5 hours, I drop it before it steals any more of my life.
5. Luminous Arc - Horrendous gameplay, awful story, characters so generic that it hurts. And people keep eating these up! If even one of those three elements were the slightest bit passable, I wouldn't even think twice to put this on the list.
6. Dragon Quest - I have friends that love the series, and the best thing they can say about them is that they are really long and take over your life. Pass!


This also makes me think about other possible lists, like, what games do you play for a while and love, but then get bored to death of (every Pokemon, every GTA), and what legendary series did you finally try out and end up enjoying (Duke Nukem, lol), and which did you try but not get blown away by (Viewtiful Joe, anything that people built up as 'OMG SO HARD!!!').
 

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Ps : wow, Cyan what a backlog!! and i thought mine was freaky ^^
I created it after seeing yours.
But I added really a lot of games (but still not all!), almost all that I ever played, borrowed, played at a friend's/family's house etc. (almost never rented, only borrowed).
I'm sure I forgot some of them.
I also added "whishlist", some are games I never played, other are games I don't own (yet).


Though, I have 70% of them not completed (mainly because a lot of them were only borrowed and played at someone else's home) and I don't have them anymore so I can't complete them anymore, while you have 70% of game "not started", at least you are focusing a few games at a time :P
(You got my PM on backloggery?)


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car racing RPG
Is that from SquareSoft?
I remember seeing a Japanese Snes cartridge from squaresoft at a gaming convention, and the buyer told me it was a Car RPG game. (there were only one copy, so I bought another RPG instead (tengai Makyo zero), but it never worked fine as it had battery problem :(
 

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DS1 said:
car racing RPG
Is that from SquareSoft?
I remember seeing a Japanese Snes cartridge from squaresoft at a gaming convention, and the buyer told me it was a Car RPG game. (there were only one copy, so I bought another RPG instead (tengai Makyo zero), but it never worked fine as it had battery problem :(
Apparently it's called Racing Lagoon for some reason.
Weird concept.
 

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1: zelda skyward sw
i dont have motion plus
2:inazuma eleven 3
its in japanese
3:gears of war 2( played the 3rd , somehow)
i simply didnt knew what game was , i played the 3rd , because everyone was talking about
4: any assasins creed
its boring
5:Pokemon bw 2
the same as the 2nd
6: any dragon quest , except monsters j 1/2 and IX
didnt had time
7:any shooting game , except codmw3 and goldeneye for n64/ds/wii
its boring and my mother didnt liked i plaiyng those...
9:any shin megami T , except devil survivor 1/2
i dont have a ps2/ps1 or a psp
 

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Ps : wow, Cyan what a backlog!! and i thought mine was freaky ^^
I created it after seeing yours.
But I added really a lot of games (but still not all!), almost all that I ever played, borrowed, played at a friend's/family's house etc. (almost never rented, only borrowed).
I'm sure I forgot some of them.
I also added "whishlist", some are games I never played, other are games I don't own (yet).

Though, I have 70% of them not completed (mainly because a lot of them were only borrowed and played at someone else's home) and I don't have them anymore so I can't complete them anymore, while you have 70% of game "not started", at least you are focusing a few games at a time :P
(You got my PM on backloggery?)

Sorry did not get any Pm from you there, just send it through here? :P

For my wishlist i use the other website on my sig, it has a nice design somehow like GoG shelves. http://darkadia.com/...mayeul/wishlist

I only put on my collection games i own, list would be crazy with all i pirated at the time lol.. Even skip all i re-sold, like Genesis (Decap Attack, Sonic, Streets of Rage..), Nes (Megaman 2, Zelda 2, Battle of Olympus, Blue Shadow..), Snes (Secret of Mana, Mario World 4 and Kart, Street Fighter 2, a copy of Zelda III i had from Christmas a "friend" stole me pretending it burnt along with his house lol..), CPC 6128 (Bloodwych, Ishar, Hero's quest, Captain Blood.. Rick Dangerous).
But it's past and done now, enough money to afford building my own collection and no more moral/legal blur. Remain real few movies and Tv series i pirate (Dexter, Desperate Housewives), that i'm still not rich enough.. Sorry Law. :(

Yes i try to pick a few at a time and stick to it, or i will never sort that mess out haha.. Just finished the whole Legacy of Kain franchise again, and first time KOTOR.. Now a replay of Deus Ex i managed to apply all the graphic mods and even a french subtitle patch, whoohoo.. But my eye is on... More backlog, with Steam Summer sale incoming, ahhh!! That "seal" meme is getting on my nerves BTW lol.. I do plan and hope to get 3/4 of that wishlist to my collection with my 100 euro budget >
 

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Specific games there is clearly so many that could be named so im not going to waste time listing them, i will however list the series of games iv never played.

- Never played any of the f-zero games
- Never played any of the broken sword games
- Never played any of the mass effect games
- Prehaps most shocking of all, i have never played any of the half-life games
 

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If it's a good game I have played it. I won't play Mass Effect, or Assassin's Creed, or a lot of other 'acclaimed' franchises because they evidently couldn't escape the sewer systems of the developers mind and all the needless adult content on the way to the market; any Elder Scrolls past III, modern FPS and a whole load of others. Also haven't played Suikodens, Valkyria X, or the billion-odd jRPGs, never finished a Final Fantasy game, though I want to, and will never play any Bl*****d game except maybe Warcraft III. Since those aren't worth talking about except by way of warning, I have never played any good franchises barring the jRPGs and such. I mean to play them eventually though.
 

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-Fire emblem
-Golden Sun
-Persona
-Max Payne
-F-Zero
-Shenmue
-Metal Gear Solid
-Chrono Trigger
-Smash bros. (none of 'em)
-Pikmin
-Panzer dragoon (though i really want to play 'em)
-Megaman Legends/Dash
-Pokemon
-Paper Mario
 

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If it's a good game I have played it. I won't play Mass Effect, or Assassin's Creed, or a lot of other 'acclaimed' franchises because they evidently couldn't escape the sewer systems of the developers mind and all the needless adult content on the way to the market; any Elder Scrolls past III, modern FPS and a whole load of others. Also haven't played Suikodens, Valkyria X, or the billion-odd jRPGs, never finished a Final Fantasy game, though I want to, and will never play any Bl*****d game except maybe Warcraft III. Since those aren't worth talking about except by way of warning, I have never played any good franchises barring the jRPGs and such. I mean to play them eventually though.

>Says he's played every good game
>Refuses to play Mass Effect, Assassin's Creed, the last two Elder Scrolls games, any "modern" FPS, and a billion JRPGs.

Lol.
 
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I won't play Mass Effect, or Assassin's Creed, or a lot of other 'acclaimed' franchises because they evidently couldn't escape the sewer systems of the developers mind and all the needless adult content on the way to the market

Admittedly I have not played beyond the first Mass Effect and the second Assassin's Creed but assuming you did not mean actual sewer levels* I do not follow; there is nothing there in those games that would not be in a mid rated film** or something broadcast later in the evening for broadcast TV and worse is seen in just about every police procedural program on TV.

*the closest mass effect 1 got to a sewer level for me probably ended up being my favourite level save perhaps the moon level which I did somewhat under levelled.

**possible exception for even though it is well justified within the context of the story is Assassin's creed sees you attack/kill a few religious leaders which might fall under some censorship somewhere.
 
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Ps : wow, Cyan what a backlog!! and i thought mine was freaky ^^
I created it after seeing yours.
But I added really a lot of games (but still not all!), almost all that I ever played, borrowed, played at a friend's/family's house etc. (almost never rented, only borrowed).
I'm sure I forgot some of them.
I also added "whishlist", some are games I never played, other are games I don't own (yet).


Though, I have 70% of them not completed (mainly because a lot of them were only borrowed and played at someone else's home) and I don't have them anymore so I can't complete them anymore, while you have 70% of game "not started", at least you are focusing a few games at a time :P
(You got my PM on backloggery?)


DS1 said:
car racing RPG
Is that from SquareSoft?
I remember seeing a Japanese Snes cartridge from squaresoft at a gaming convention, and the buyer told me it was a Car RPG game. (there were only one copy, so I bought another RPG instead (tengai Makyo zero), but it never worked fine as it had battery problem :(

I was referring to Genki's games (Tokyo Xtreme Racer series, Kaidou Battle series, C1-Grand Prix, etc.)

DS1 said:
car racing RPG
Is that from SquareSoft?
I remember seeing a Japanese Snes cartridge from squaresoft at a gaming convention, and the buyer told me it was a Car RPG game. (there were only one copy, so I bought another RPG instead (tengai Makyo zero), but it never worked fine as it had battery problem :(
Apparently it's called Racing Lagoon for some reason.
Weird concept.

The concept isn't weird, it's just innovative. The STORY of that game is weird though. Like, weird beyond words. Awesome soundtrack though.
 

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Starting out I'm going to put my list in a spoiler. I plan to do alot of explaining for the games I haven't or have just lightly played. So This will be a large post.

Final fantasy 1,2,5,6 - The first 3 here I could honestly not care very much for. When I first went in the games just did not seem all that great after 3 hours of play. Which is what I give RPGs to pull me in. 6 however I hate that I haven't touched it much. It is literally on my PSPgo, waiting to be played and I just haven't given it the time of day.

Sly 2: band of thieves - This is another one where I started playing an lost interest in, right at the start of world 3. This sly game was the beginning of the hub world system where all missions would take place. Instead of being used to get to levels like sly 1 it was pretty much the entire level with only something different at the end. Making the little note bottles even more tedious to find in my opinion. Sly 3 fixed this thankfully finding a nice balance between hub game play and level.

Tales of Vesperia - After Abyss left such a bad taste in my mouth this game just didn't seem to go over well. I kept thinking somewhere along the line it would just go dumb. An from what I know the 360 version can go that way due to things removed. The stigma Abyss game has been pretty much left on all tales games that come out, making me play them in the original japanese for game play sake alone. Graces F might change this though.

Valkyria chronicles - Another short thign I played, back when I had it the PS3 in the house was something I couldn't really touch. Couple that with a father that spoiled the game for me and my interest died. I picked up 2 though but with how painfully slow and dull it is. It might get dropped as well.

Xenosaga - Fuck this series, and fuck its fans. This isn't some grand tale in space, this series isn't some fantastic RPG. It is a painfully slow story with extremely dense characters. The battle system does not help much either not mixing it up at all and being strangely slow for a turn based game. An just as I was getting into the groove of things for it? I play one of the mini games, a fast paced robot shooter that felt like they spent more time on it than the actual games.

Star ocean 1 - dunno why I can't get into this, I like 2 and till the end of time though.

Star ocean 4 - What is with the controls in this game!? Running feels so weird and targeting enemies is something impossible to do! I checked the manual, I checked the tutorial. I could not figure out how targeting worked DX. I plan to pick up the PS3 version later to try again though.

Rune factory - I liked tides better. The other games just don't have an environment to get into =(

Eternal darkness - No idea on this one x.x

Half life series - This is a series I've just had a bad experience with time and time again. All based on my mistake to play the console versions first. I ran into glitches of all kinds, clipping, areas no loading, AI loops, you name it I had it happen in my attempts with this series.

Lufia - Never got the chance u.u

Megaman Zero 2 and 4 - I started both of these but the games broke and deleted my saves before I finished them. I was just far enough in the games to to not want to start over.

The legend of zelda majora's mask - T^T every time I start this thing my data or game just poofs, first time Computer poofed. second time the wii got fried. third time the cart froze and my saves poofed. fourth time hardware failure x.x it pretty much just repeats like that.

The legend of zelda skyward sword - This game, is not a zelda game. It is a good game I'll give it that. A good zelda game though? hell no, it has been stripped completely of exploration elements, it is a linear track more than spirit tracks was, it is a puzzle filled mess, the bosses besides the last few are just plain horrible, and the combat though awesome is very very repetitive making the awesome wane very quickly. I will finish it one day, but that will be a slow and painful day. One where I'm board out of my eye sockets, to the point where listening to bad pop music from the radio won't even bring me the jollies
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Elder scrolls - These games to me lack focus, which is something I like in a game. Sure you have the main story to finish, but at the same time you have a bajillion other quest that are just as long if not longer than the main story.

Anything rockstar - same as the elder scrolls games. They do have a few things of interest though.

Pulseman - this game has a problem with my wii, it simple with lag to hell and back on 5 frames in a single spot. Making it unplayable, and a waste of wii points T^T.

CoD games - These FPS do actually give me a head ache. Halo, metroid prime, desu ex all are fine, just CoD for some reason makes my head hurt.

Uncharted 2 - Why was this made? In my first running through this game here is what I encountered in the tutorial section no less. On starting the game I was treated to hanging from a train, so I start climbing, well as I climb my character's hands refuse to grab a certain pipe leading me to fall to my death, this happened 4 times till I finally grabbed it. After grabbing it I went along my way and eventually entered the train. In this segment they want you to hop from chair to chair. This part however was never tested I think, as while climbing this monstrosity I clipped through chairs like no bodies business. Falling and falling my rage peaking each time. Finally though I make it to the top, my treat for this? The camera pointing the wrong way, letting me jump into a pit. On re-spawn it pointed the right way though letting me progress into the flash back bit. While going through this bit I made a strange jump to hit a switch actually flying to the door from it. As if the wall was hugging me saying "no you can't fall" So it was a time a error helped me, sadly the only time as right after that came a sneaking section. Here the game expected you to sneak up on a guy via a ledge and pull him off. Here though it doesn't tell you this, I had no idea you could do it. So I failed over and over and over, With after that bit being? The tutorial on how to pull people off a ledge and kill them. By that time I wanted to take the game and do what I did to tales of the abyss, and burn the shit out of it. I've been thinking over trying golden abyss though -.-

Valkyrie profile - This is a series I really wish didn't skip me by :( I rented the 2nd one back when block buster was still a thing and loved it immensely. I so want to pick up the first one but it isn't on PSN, sony why you no want me to give you my money D:

The DS Kingdom hearts games - pure trash, the other games I can have fun with though.

Folklore - I WILL RECTIFY THIS!!!

Silent hill - I played Shattered memories and liked it. I played an hour of 2 and just couldn't get into it. One problem this is though is that I played the PC version of 2 which has a broken flash light. I was able to work up plenty far even with that, but still proper textures would have probably held my interest longer. On that note I played both the wii and PSP version of shattered memories. Is it just me or does running through a door cause the frame rate to shit a ball and chain?

Kawata Shoujo - if I ever get a pocket PC gaming system I will knock this out. Visual novels to me are always easier on the go

MIschief makers - I don't like plugging in my N64 >.<

Xenogears - someone jacked the memory card that had the save for this T^T

One piece unlimited whatever - fffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff-one day.

Pokemon gen 4 - The gen 3 games really left a bad feeling with me. Sure I can get off to mawile. Sure I can go back and play the games just fine. Gen 4 though? Gen 3 killed interest in them what with being one region, having less to do than the games before them, and so on. Gen 5 while not giving an entire region to explore made it a little more interesting with a story, and locking off areas, pokes, and even having an after story to play through.

Dillon's rolling western - my 3DS doesn't see much use since I got my vita. This will change soon thoguh

Sakura samurai - same

Magical whip - same, and pretty much anything else I got that is DSi or 3DS eshop >_>

Hotel dusk - both carts I got of this borked :(

Time hollow - Really something that would have worked better on television. From how far I got in it I could see the future and everything :V

CAstle crashers - something I want to play with friends that never want to play it

Super monkey ball - same

Bomberman 64: the second attack - I want to try this sooooo bad. it was something I saw in daycare back in the day, and it instantly had my interest.

Wild arms - just never came across this series but with 2 entries. 3 which I found to be nice, and XF. Which is a horrible excuse for a PSP game.

Shenmue - because dreamcast :V

Dragon quest - up until 8 I passed this series by. The first person perspective like in CoD for some reason gave me a head ache, so many times I just passed it by. Then Roo from the clan of the grey wold suggested 8, I picked it up and now the rest of the series has my interest. Just not any of the games with enemies layered on a black background. That seems to be what gives me the head aches in the dragon quest games.

Kirby and the amazing mirror - I have a pirate cart -_- really hate that fact and it effects me actually playing it.

Tales of Phantasia - This is a similar problem to majora's mask. Some how my save data just keeps leaving me. Which is a shame because I usually get very far in both games before it does. :(

Lunar - I made the horrible mistake of starting this series with dragon song, which killed all interest I had with the other ones.

Threads of fate - Just could never get into it. The game itself has not aged well in my opinion

Castlevania - the metroid kind ones at least, I liked castlevania back when it was level by level. To me that was just simple, and castlevania never seemed to need to be more than that. The newer entries (not lords of shadows) just all seem like the same game to me with new coats of paint.
 

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I have spent countless hours on playing Heroes of Might and Magic 2, and more recently 5.
Also, what about Civilziation style games? Age of Empires 3?

On the DS, try Monster Tale, or Radiant Historia, although my favourite game on this console will always be Contact
Heroes 2 is so hard for me! I hardly ever win! I prefer Heroes 3

I would have to say any FPS that is considered legendary. I hate FPS's so much.
 

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I just rediscovered Breath of Fire 4, playing it on FPSe on my HTC One X.
I'm finding it more fun than FF7 this time round
 

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I won't play Mass Effect, or Assassin's Creed, or a lot of other 'acclaimed' franchises because they evidently couldn't escape the sewer systems of the developers mind and all the needless adult content on the way to the market

Admittedly I have not played beyond the first Mass Effect and the second Assassin's Creed but assuming you did not mean actual sewer levels* I do not follow; there is nothing there in those games that would not be in a mid rated film** or something broadcast later in the evening for broadcast TV and worse is scene in just about every police procedural program on TV.

*the closest mass effect 1 got to a sewer level for me probably ended up being my favourite level save perhaps the moon level which I did somewhat under levelled.

**possible exception for even though it is well justified within the context of the story is Assassin's creed sees you attack/kill a few religious leaders which might fall under some censorship somewhere.
I looked at the ESRB rating, and of course it tells you everything that ever shows up in the game, what their dog wore for the last five years, and it detailed some no-nos. I don't remember which episode, but both had some stuff that was just filth. I know for a fact that there were some red flag items. Personally I don't like the ESRB board, I think they are getting too nosey, though I appreciate the fact that they have exposed the adult content. In case you need further clarification, there was stuff in there that is characteristic of porn. So therefore, it is adult filth. That's not my only problem, I am one of those rare people that still gets sick when they see beyond a small amount of blood. Not sick, maybe, but it starts to get to me. And so on.


 

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i refuse to play those games because they make guys post female icons, or else turn them into something equally bad. If you are in fact a female, I can hardly believe you would defend such disrespect to your own kind, but that's what I dislike about adult material in the first place, among others. So it doesn't surprise me that you snicker about it, and that, again, proves my point and justifies my view.

Are you trying to say Mass Effect is somehow disrespectful to female characters? Because if you are you're absolutely fucking wrong. You can play the entire game as a female character for Christ's sake.

If you want adult material go play The Witcher 2. Mass Effect is nothing.
 
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    Man, that's beyond my brain :rofl: I'm no good with hardware for now. I'd like to get into hardmods in future though
  • SylverReZ @ SylverReZ:
    @Maximumbeans, Maybe start practice soldering. Get a cheap-ass soldering iron and follow some good YouTube tutorials.
    +1
  • SylverReZ @ SylverReZ:
    Least my experience has gotten better than over a decade ago. My iron would constantly bump into components and break them.
  • Maximumbeans @ Maximumbeans:
    Sounds good. I actually did soldering but like 16 years ago for school so uuuuh probably rusty haha
  • SylverReZ @ SylverReZ:
    @Maximumbeans, Same here. I did soldering at school from a teacher who I honestly liked since he had plenty of good electronics experience.
    +1
  • Maximumbeans @ Maximumbeans:
    I wish I could play chess well
    +1
  • Maximumbeans @ Maximumbeans:
    Useless but a true art
    +1
  • SylverReZ @ SylverReZ:
    @Maximumbeans, I had a friend who had a glass chess set for their birthday.
  • SylverReZ @ SylverReZ:
    It was like all clear and fancy. Tbf I'm not too experienced with chess, but would like to learn someday.
  • Maximumbeans @ Maximumbeans:
    That sounds really cool
  • Maximumbeans @ Maximumbeans:
    I know the basics but no strategy at all :rofl:
    +1
  • Veho @ Veho:
    Watch chess streamers on Twitch and you'll pick up a thing or two.
    +1
  • Veho @ Veho:
    Not to mention there's an infinite number of chess games for every possible platform.
    +1
  • DinohScene @ DinohScene:
    just play it, get beaten a few times and start dominating
    +1
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    Nude chess is best
    +1
  • DinohScene @ DinohScene:
    strip checkers > nude chess
    +1
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    Nude checkers get jumped
    +1
  • SylverReZ @ SylverReZ:
    @Veho, I guess you'd pick up something while watching tub streams.
  • SylverReZ @ SylverReZ:
    @K3Nv2, Dick fights. :tpi:
  • Veho @ Veho:
    Turkish olive oil wrestling.
    +1
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    Well I believe I'm about to get hit with a spring sinus infuction
    K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2: Well I believe I'm about to get hit with a spring sinus infuction