Gaming A Game Boy Advance 1:1 clone with extras.

TripleSMoon · Jun 21, 2012

raystriker said:
It might be a good idea to check out their website - www.k1gba.com
(all the information is there)

I already did, and I read all the FAQs and stuff. I must've just missed that bit somehow when reading it.

Wiisel · Jun 30, 2012

Sick of waiting for this to turn up now.

kuwanger · Jul 1, 2012

raystriker said:
The k1 also has rtc and has official support for emulating many more consoles, the cpu is overclockable to 150mhz which gives it more grunt for the same.

Well, last I asked, the CPU being overclockable is currently a useless feature for emulators because of the firmware setting up the CPU for GBA compatibility. And as for "official support for emulating many more consoles", sure, but that's only because PocketNES, SMSAdvance, etc don't have any official support from Nintendo.

AFAIK, being a GBA clone it simply allows you to use the current GBA emulators. To actually do a decent job* of supporting the NES, GBC, etc would require a sort of super-GBA mode with more layers, a good bit more VRAM, and an ability to use higher than the 240x160 resolution of the GBA. I mean, most systems seem to use something like 256x224 as a base minimal and most PC emulators use 320x240 just because it's the closest to a standard resolution available on PCs (it's half 640x480 in both directions, and happens to be Mode X which was a quirky DOS-mode/VGA related thing).

Now, all of the above isn't to say that (a) K1 won't eventually get around to putting together a Super-GBA mode in their firmware (although from the sounds of it, they're not that interested and the whole 150MHz CPU has probably more to do with it being cheaper to source a 150MHz ARM CPU and downclock it than to try to order 16.67MHz ARM CPUs) or (b) for some adventureous hacker to disassemble K1's firmware and do it themselves (which isn't out of the question, but even then that implies potentially months or years before you'd ever see that Super-GBA mode). Really, given the K1 GBA lacks the X/Y buttons for SNES emulation and that'd likely be the big draw, as I see it--and the Dingoo is probably a better bet right now anyways given either way one is talking emulating--, I really just don't see that strand of logic holding out.

No, if anything I'd recommend the K1GBA for two reasons: being a hardware clone, it should have much battery life compared to all the other clones and seeing as how the market for old GBA hardware (especially flash carts) could easily dry up in the future, the K1GBA seems a safer long-term bet. But, then, that speaks more of what I'd be likely to buy in two or three years if my GBA broke. :/

*Please understand when I say "decent job" I mean in the context of "there is no real jarring effect when you go back to real hardware/another emulator that doesn't have the GBA's inherent limitations". PocketNES and Goomba Color are amazingly and I love them. Still, there's only a hand full of games that I really love PocketNES's squished graphics over other emulators--and that's when the hero sprite is too small. Of course, PocketNES is tons better for things like cheat finding, which is just good nature fun to do, than any other NES emulator I've used. And I still love Goomba Color's mixed SGB mode, although No$GMB is still the best for that. But, both would have been better with a higher resolution, more layers, and a faster CPU. So, a Super-GBA mode is attractive. It just doesn't sound like it's happening. Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong.

Another World · Jul 11, 2012

i just got the confirmation e-mail, i'll be receiving a unit for a gbatemp review.

anyone that already has one, get in touch with me. let me know what issues you have had, what you love about it, what you hate about it, what works, what doesn't work, etc. i want to trade as much information as possible while i prepare for testing.

i'll be sure to properly thank everyone who helped out at the end of the review =)

thanks!
-another world

TripleSMoon · Jul 11, 2012

Another World said:
i just got the confirmation e-mail, i'll be receiving a unit for a gbatemp review.

anyone that already has one, get in touch with me. let me know what issues you have had, what you love about it, what you hate about it, what works, what doesn't work, etc. i want to trade as much information as possible while i prepare for testing.

-another world

Thanks in advance. ^.^

Auyx · Jul 11, 2012

Another World said:
i'll be receiving a unit for a gbatemp review.
-another world

Looking forward to it. This thing has me interested but people have brought up a few legitimate potential issue, and at the price I wanna know more before throwing money at it.

Another World · Jul 11, 2012

what issues have you read?

button clicking? resolution? rtc clock? extra hardware games perhaps not working?

so far i haven't read much that makes it seem not worth the cost. however, i shouldn't really comment until i have one in my hands.

-another world

dickfour · Jul 11, 2012

Another World said:
what issues have you read?

button clicking? resolution? rtc clock? extra hardware games perhaps not working?

so far i haven't read much that makes it seem not worth the cost. however, i shouldn't really comment until i have one in my hands.

-another world

I don't think I trust your opinion. Didn't you give the Gemei a330 a favorable review?
I've had one of these for a while now. Is it worth the money to have every GBA game on a 32gb card. I think so. My model has rtc. I haven't run across one game that didn't work. On special hardware games like boktai and wario twisted I simply use the real game cart. There were a few issues with the oldest of the old gba homebrew but that's about it

TripleSMoon · Jul 11, 2012

Another World said:
what issues have you read?

button clicking? resolution? rtc clock? extra hardware games perhaps not working?

so far i haven't read much that makes it seem not worth the cost. however, i shouldn't really comment until i have one in my hands.

-another world

Hey may be referring to the same stuff I read on the official website. For example, though it's compatible with 100% of games, it's only 99% compatible with those games. Sure, that's an EXTREMELY minor detail, but considering how you can get a GBA SP for about $30 (or a backlit one for $50) and an EZ Flash IV for $20ish (which will work with all other GBAs, not just the K1 like in the case of the Kcard) and have true 100% compatibility, it's a toss-up which one is worth more. If you don't want to spend money on a Gamecube and Game Boy player and do plug-n-play on the big screen, that's definitely an advantage of the K1, but that's about it. Just based on my limited knowledge (not owning a K1), K1 is an amazing idea for when GBA becomes really hard to find, but not really right now (at least in the USA).
*snip*

Another World · Jul 11, 2012

dickfour said:
My model has rtc. I haven't run across one game that didn't work. On special hardware games like boktai and wario twisted I simply use the real game cart. There were a few issues with the oldest of the old gba homebrew but that's about it

according to their official statement, the prototype models had a soft-ware based RTC function that stops working after the unit is shut off. there is not hardware based RTC, that will not be implemented until their new design is released. i'm curious, what model do you have? do you have the prototype that i read about on obscurehandhelds?

its good to hear that special hardware carts are working. i've read comments that said they were not, and replies from the team stating that they simply did not know if they would work or not.

-another world

kmihalj · Jul 11, 2012

Another World said:
its good to hear that special hardware carts are working.

Special hardware cards are NOT working.
Wario Ware Twisted and Yoshi Topsy-turvy are not working, REAL Card in K1 Unit !!!

MelodieOctavia · Jul 12, 2012

Knock it off and get back on topic. I don't care who is or isn't kissing whom's ass, and that obviously isn't the topic of this thread.

ruilong · Jul 12, 2012

Another World said:
dickfour said:

My model has rtc. I haven't run across one game that didn't work. On special hardware games like boktai and wario twisted I simply use the real game cart. There were a few issues with the oldest of the old gba homebrew but that's about it

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according to their official statement, the prototype models had a soft-ware based RTC function that stops working after the unit is shut off. there is not hardware based RTC, that will not be implemented until their new design is released. i'm curious, what model do you have? do you have the prototype that i read about on obscurehandhelds?

its good to hear that special hardware carts are working. i've read comments that said they were not, and replies from the team stating that they simply did not know if they would work or not.

-another world

Some sensor games are not support in K1 till now. The K card can not support it. For the RTC, the next version will support it. k1 is just as big as a real GBA SP. There is no enough space for RTC chip built-in.

ruilong · Jul 12, 2012

dickfour said:
Another World said:

what issues have you read?

button clicking? resolution? rtc clock? extra hardware games perhaps not working?

so far i haven't read much that makes it seem not worth the cost. however, i shouldn't really comment until i have one in my hands.

-another world

Click to expand...

I don't think I trust your opinion. Didn't you give the Gemei a330 a favorable review?
I've had one of these for a while now. Is it worth the money to have every GBA game on a 32gb card. I think so. My model has rtc. I haven't run across one game that didn't work. On special hardware games like boktai and wario twisted I simply use the real game cart. There were a few issues with the oldest of the old gba homebrew but that's about it

xwatchmanx said:
Another World said:

what issues have you read?

button clicking? resolution? rtc clock? extra hardware games perhaps not working?

so far i haven't read much that makes it seem not worth the cost. however, i shouldn't really comment until i have one in my hands.

-another world

Click to expand...

Hey may be referring to the same stuff I read on the official website. For example, though it's compatible with 100% of games, it's only 99% compatible with those games. Sure, that's an EXTREMELY minor detail, but considering how you can get a GBA SP for about $30 (or a backlit one for $50) and an EZ Flash IV for $20ish (which will work with all other GBAs, not just the K1 like in the case of the Kcard) and have true 100% compatibility, it's a toss-up which one is worth more. If you don't want to spend money on a Gamecube and Game Boy player and do plug-n-play on the big screen, that's definitely an advantage of the K1, but that's about it. Just based on my limited knowledge (not owning a K1), K1 is an amazing idea for when GBA becomes really hard to find, but not really right now (at least in the USA).
*snip*

I think K1 has a better emulator function than any other clone ones. I am keeping test it these days. His bigger screen and excellent video out make me surprise. 100% compatible is very hard. But I think K1 can support 99%. It is because of the K card. I can not say K card is better than the real GBA SP+ EZ Flash IV. But I think it is very convenient as you download games to the K card- yes, you need to own a TF card firstly.

Another thing is that it has longer battery time- possible about 4-5 hours! This is really a very good news as I can play longer time games.

I think Another world will write more details once he got the sample.

maxzhou88 · Jul 16, 2012

kuwanger said:
raystriker said:

The k1 also has rtc and has official support for emulating many more consoles, the cpu is overclockable to 150mhz which gives it more grunt for the same.

Click to expand...

Well, last I asked, the CPU being overclockable is currently a useless feature for emulators because of the firmware setting up the CPU for GBA compatibility. And as for "official support for emulating many more consoles", sure, but that's only because PocketNES, SMSAdvance, etc don't have any official support from Nintendo. AFAIK, being a GBA clone it simply allows you to use the current GBA emulators. To actually do a decent job* of supporting the NES, GBC, etc would require a sort of super-GBA mode with more layers, a good bit more VRAM, and an ability to use higher than the 240x160 resolution of the GBA. I mean, most systems seem to use something like 256x224 as a base minimal and most PC emulators use 320x240 just because it's the closest to a standard resolution available on PCs (it's half 640x480 in both directions, and happens to be Mode X which was a quirky DOS-mode/VGA related thing).

Now, all of the above isn't to say that (a) K1 won't eventually get around to putting together a Super-GBA mode in their firmware (although from the sounds of it, they're not that interested and the whole 150MHz CPU has probably more to do with it being cheaper to source a 150MHz ARM CPU and downclock it than to try to order 16.67MHz ARM CPUs) or (b) for some adventureous hacker to disassemble K1's firmware and do it themselves (which isn't out of the question, but even then that implies potentially months or years before you'd ever see that Super-GBA mode). Really, given the K1 GBA lacks the X/Y buttons for SNES emulation and that'd likely be the big draw, as I see it--and the Dingoo is probably a better bet right now anyways given either way one is talking emulating--, I really just don't see that strand of logic holding out.

No, if anything I'd recommend the K1GBA for two reasons: being a hardware clone, it should have much battery life compared to all the other clones and seeing as how the market for old GBA hardware (especially flash carts) could easily dry up in the future, the K1GBA seems a safer long-term bet. But, then, that speaks more of what I'd be likely to buy in two or three years if my GBA broke. :/

*Please understand when I say "decent job" I mean in the context of "there is no real jarring effect when you go back to real hardware/another emulator that doesn't have the GBA's inherent limitations". PocketNES and Goomba Color are amazingly and I love them. Still, there's only a hand full of games that I really love PocketNES's squished graphics over other emulators--and that's when the hero sprite is too small. Of course, PocketNES is tons better for things like cheat finding, which is just good nature fun to do, than any other NES emulator I've used. And I still love Goomba Color's mixed SGB mode, although No$GMB is still the best for that. But, both would have been better with a higher resolution, more layers, and a faster CPU. So, a Super-GBA mode is attractive. It just doesn't sound like it's happening. Of course, I'd love to be proven wrong.

K1 CPU = ARM7 + ARM9 (50~150MHZ)
Super-GBA mode is possible

maxzhou88 · Jul 16, 2012

K101 main board :
http://imgsrc.baidu.com/forum/pic/item/b90e7bec54e736d123aecc999b504fc2d46269e5.jpg

gibberish · Jul 16, 2012

edit// ok nevermind, it works now. thanks :-)

cdoty · Jul 19, 2012

maxzhou88 said:
K1 CPU = ARM7 + ARM9 (50~150MHZ)
Super-GBA mode is possible

Is this available now? Can I currently write software to take advantage of the faster CPU and the 320 x 240 display?

I'm interested in a K101, and I'm interested in the porting a few Game Gadget/MotoMagX games to it, in addition to SDL:

http://forum.gamegadget.net/showthread.php/1517-Picnic-Defender
http://forum.gamegadget.net/showthread.php/397-Worm-Warrior

Another World · Jul 19, 2012

i do believe those are the specs of the k1 gba sp, that is available now.

the k101 will be a dingoo like design (from what i've read) and feature a hardware based RTC.

-another world

pixelelated · Jul 21, 2012

I'm curious about the fidelity of the SoC being used. While the site claims to have 100% sound emulation, I'm curious about how close to sounding like the original it is. I've had problems with clones for other systems and their audio. Also, I wonder if the graphics are 100% faithful as well.

Also, are there any in-depth reviews yet? I'm curious about how the buttons compare (especially to the shoulder buttons) and if there is any news on a firmware version that doesn't scale, and what that looks like. While it does seem that the scaling has been getting good reviews, I'm debating between getting this or getting a AGS-101 and putting in the work to replace the lens and refurb it a bit.

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