No More 3DS Models in the Near Future

DeadLocked · Jun 28, 2012

"The 3DS XL isn't a revision"
Then neither is the DS Lite vs the DS Phat...
DS Lite did nothing new but we consider this a revision of hardware.
3DS XL vs 3DS has even more differences.

Don't defend Nintendo, they don't care about you and they don't need to be defended.

I'm never going to believe a word they say again any way. Next year when a new revision is announced I bet many of you will still suck their nintendick.

There's a reason they worded their "will not be a revision" so cleverly, so they could still get away with the XL and keep many supporters.

Foxi4 · Jun 28, 2012

Rydian said:
The terms can vary (especially when comparing both the DS Lite and DSi to the original DS), my main concern is that Nintendo never said there would not be a 3DS XL (in fact they're notably silent on confirming or denying, as that was shortly before the reveal).

I'm not one of those people who will argue that this makes the 3DS obsolete - it doesn't. It's simply a bigger version of the 3DS that's more suitable for those with bigger hands or those who like bigger screens. What I do have to say though is that the impression I got after reading their statements was that no revision is planned for now. Obviously there was one coming our way - that's natural and to be expected. Now, whether it's a tad early or not - that's a different matter entirely. To me, they mislead their readers.

gamefan5 · Jun 28, 2012

Suprgamr232 said:
3 months later:

"NOW ANNOUNCING THE 3DS XL LITE!"

SAME SIZE AS THE OLD 3DS, BUT WITH BIGGER SCREENS!!! XD Oh, AND NO DUAL PAD AND CHARGER INCLUDED.

LOL, I'm obviously kidding. Tbh, though, 6 days before it was announced, they said that a redesign wasn't in the works, Lol, I'm pretty sure a redesign will be revealed in the future.

Supreme Dirt · Jun 28, 2012

I really don't see how this affects any of you. Oh no, they released a larger 3DS. Oh no, those lying conniving bastards.

Just saying, the original 3DS is a perfect size. Them releasing a larger version for people who want a larger version DOESN'T AFFECT ME.

Issac · Jun 28, 2012

Come on now, this is not a revision.
The DS Lite was a revision. It was a DS that they revised, brighter screens, better designed buttons etc. and it replaced the DS, but filled the same functions. In my eyes he DSi is a revision with added junk.

I'll say it with books instead. Release a book. Release a new version of the same book, but correct a few typos, and it's a revised book, a revision. Releasing the same book but paperback (smaller format) or some larger format, but without any content change, it's not a revision, it's just another format. another size.

DarkStriker · Jun 28, 2012

soulx said:
Which is offset by the price they sell it at.

Using that logic, all companies would lose money whenever they release a product.

Using that logic. For every NOT SOLD console they lose money.. Now anyone has any idea before someone like this dude starts talking about something i dont care at all?

ChaosAngel · Jun 28, 2012

I suppose the near future is just debatable. It allows them to make a new revision whenever they feel that the "near future" has passed.

raulpica · Jun 28, 2012

Foxi4 said:
Rydian said:

DS to DSi is an obvious revision example (dropping backwards compatibility like the PS3 did, for example). DSi to DSi XL is a secondary model sold alongside the first, just like 3DS and 3DS XL.

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This is what bugs me. The DSi is not a revision - it's a new system entirely. It's based on new hardware and supports DS games via a compatibility layer. Even Nintendo states it's a revision of the DS, and it's really not. Thinking along those lines, you could call the Wii a revision of the Gamecube, and it's not - it's an entirely new console. The fact that it got little attention and hardly any exclusive titles doesn't matter - it's a new system based on new CPU's with much more RAM than its predecessor, and it's a shame that its capabilities were never fully utilized due to the large DS userbase. The DSi XL - now that's a revision. The same hardware in a revised form-factor.

DS-DSi = Gameboy Pocket-Gameboy Color.
Same console, different revision (a bit more powerful, at that).

3DS-3DS XL = Gameboy Pocket-Gameboy.
Same console, bigger size.

Yes, I know, it's kinda funny that nowadays they strive to get bigger consoles out, while in the past they strived to get them as small as possible.

spinal_cord · Jun 28, 2012

Foxi4 said:
Yeah, we heard that once already, a month before the XL was released, Iwata. You're not exactly f*cking trustworthy.

I'm still waiting for a 3DS Lite, sorry.

Um... the 3DS is already 'lite'. It's the same size and the DSLite, the 3DS XL/LL is the same size as the DSiXL, so what is it you actually want them to do?

Foxi4 · Jun 28, 2012

spinal_cord said:
Foxi4 said:

Yeah, we heard that once already, a month before the XL was released, Iwata. You're not exactly f*cking trustworthy.

I'm still waiting for a 3DS Lite, sorry.

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Um... the 3DS is already 'lite'. It's the same size and the DSLite, the 3DS XL/LL is the same size as the DSiXL, so what is it you actually want them to do?

It was supposed to be a joke, but seeing that you're asking, an "invisible" revision would be nice, like the various editions of the SP. A better screen and battery life would be welcome.

ComeTurismO · Jun 28, 2012

Have to agree with Suprgamr232's first post on this, when they say they wont, a few weeks or months later... FEATURING THE PRODUCT WE SAID WE ARE NOT GOING TO CREATE!

Foxi4 · Jun 28, 2012

raulpica said:
DS-DSi = Gameboy Pocket-Gameboy Color.
Same console, different revision (a bit more powerful, at that).

3DS-3DS XL = Gameboy Pocket-Gameboy.
Same console, bigger size.

Yes, I know, it's kinda funny that nowadays they strive to get bigger consoles out, while in the past they strived to get them as small as possible.

Raulpica, the GBC had different hardware than the GB. It's a similar situation to the DS-DSi indeed, in the sense that Gameboy games worked on the Gameboy Colour via an overlay. It's an entirely new console with exclusive titles, not a "revision" of the Gameboy. The only revisions of the original Gameboy were the Gameboy Pocket and the Gameboy Light.

The hardware differences are negligable, but they're there and we can't ignore them.

EDIT: Just to expand on that point...

Games which use only the additional color tables will work on the old GB, however, games which make use of the CGB's expanded RAM (32K), processing speed, and graphics, will not be compatible.

There will be 3 levels of compatability with the GBC as follows:

Monochrome GB - will work on any gameboy (Or Standard GB game with a 10-color built in palette for GBC)
Enhanced GBC - will work on any gameboy, but with GBC color enhancements

The three methods for doing this are:

Colorized DMG/MGB Model- Merely adds 7 to 10 fixed colors to a game without altering any artwork, and making no use of GBC special features.

Dual Engine Model- Two entirely different programs exist in a single cartridge using a simple Bootstrap program to choose the correct version of the code for the platform

Adaptive model- Both GB and GBC will use the same basic engine, but will use separate sets of subroutines and functions to make use of the GBC's hardware (ie faster processor, color graphics, expanded RAM)

Dedicated GBC - Takes advantage of some or all of the special features of the GBC, and the integral use of these features is what characterizes a dedicated GBC game from a Dual-engine/Adaptive Model game. When plugged into a GB, GBP, or SGB you will receive the message "This game can only be played on Game Boy Color"

Of course that's a very old article and by now the GBC is nothing to be excited about, but at the time of reading it was obviously something that was talked about a lot.

jalaneme · Jun 28, 2012

yeah nintendo? well i am the new president of america, i am glad i am not the only one who doesn't believe their BS, they want to tell us this so we can just shut up and just buy the 3ds xl, it doesn't work that way nintendo.

raulpica · Jun 28, 2012

Foxi4 said:
Raulpica, the GBC had different hardware than the GB. It's a similar situation to the DS-DSi indeed, in the sense that Gameboy games worked on the Gameboy Colour via an overlay. It's an entirely new console with exclusive titles, not a "revision" of the Gameboy. The only revisions of the original Gameboy were the Gameboy Pocket and the Gameboy Light.

The hardware differences are negligable, but they're there and we can't ignore them.

Yes, I know well. Still, it's a design completely based on the old console, and just adding a bit more MHZs and graphical capabilities doesn't warrant an entirely new name to a console.

Look at the 360, the Slim introduced a slightly faster GPU/CPU - which kinda helps with Kinect and the System menu, but no one goes around calling it a new console

I know, the features aren't required for anything, but it's still there.

If you really want to differentiate it from the original console, call it an evolution or something

heartgold · Jun 28, 2012

Foxi4 said:
Rydian said:

The terms can vary (especially when comparing both the DS Lite and DSi to the original DS), my main concern is that Nintendo never said there would not be a 3DS XL (in fact they're notably silent on confirming or denying, as that was shortly before the reveal).

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I'm not one of those people who will argue that this makes the 3DS obsolete - it doesn't. It's simply a bigger version of the 3DS that's more suitable for those with bigger hands or those who like bigger screens. What I do have to say though is that the impression I got after reading their statements was that no revision is planned for now. Obviously there was one coming our way - that's natural and to be expected. Now, whether it's a tad early or not - that's a different matter entirely. To me, they mislead their readers.

They didn't lie, not even IGN is too sure about it the one who sourced the original article.

Listen to their podcast from 15 mins in, a couple minutes later everything will be clear to you. lol#

http://uk.wii.ign.com/articles/122/1225179p1.html]

Foxi4 · Jun 28, 2012

raulpica said:
Yes, I know well. Still, it's a design completely based on the old console, and just adding a bit more MHZs and graphical capabilities doesn't warrant an entirely new name to a console.

Look at the 360, the Slim introduced a slightly faster GPU/CPU - which kinda helps with Kinect and the System menu, but no one goes around calling it a new console
I know, the features aren't required for anything, but it's still there.

If you really want to differentiate it from the original console, call it an evolution or something

Now, now, now - don't jump into deep water. The changes are purely cosmetical between the 360 and the Slim and they're both made to support the same games, just like in the case of any other revision. The Slim has no specific "Slim-Only" software coming up for it and the hardware changes were merely a face-lift in an effort to make it more stable. With the GBC and the DSi, the changes were made to support new, exclusive software. This is what separates a revision from a successor.

There are small changes that are made to increase stability and there are changes that transform the end product into something entirely new - surely you understand my point.

raulpica · Jun 28, 2012

Foxi4 said:
raulpica said:

Yes, I know well. Still, it's a design completely based on the old console, and just adding a bit more MHZs and graphical capabilities doesn't warrant an entirely new name to a console.

Look at the 360, the Slim introduced a slightly faster GPU/CPU - which kinda helps with Kinect and the System menu, but no one goes around calling it a new console
I know, the features aren't required for anything, but it's still there.

If you really want to differentiate it from the original console, call it an evolution or something

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Now, now, now - don't jump into deep water. The changes are purely cosmetical between the 360 and the Slim and they're both made to support the same games, just like in the case of any other revision. The Slim has no specific "Slim-Only" software coming up for it and the hardware changes were merely a face-lift in an effort to make it more stable. With the GBC and the DSi, the changes were made to support new, exclusive software. This is what separates a revision from a successor.

There's small changes that are made to increase stability and there are changes that transform the end product into something entirely new - surely you understand my point.

Nope, the Slim has a stronger CPU/GPU. Just google for "360 slim faster" and you'll find evidence for that

Too bad no one actually went on and proved it with hard proof. It's mainly people's experience, so nothing trustworthy, but if so many people say it, I don't see why it shouldn't be a believable change.

Sure, no Slim-only software coming, but that was just MS's call. Still, I'm sure pretty much nobody in the world calls the DSi the successor to the DS

klim28 · Jun 28, 2012

"No More 3DS Models in the Near Future" my ass.

Foxi4 · Jun 28, 2012

raulpica said:
Nope, the Slim has a stronger CPU/GPU. Just google for "360 slim faster" and you'll find evidence for that Too bad no one actually went on and proved it with hard proof. It's mainly people's experience, so nothing trustworthy, but if so many people say it, I don't see why it shouldn't be a believable change.

Sure, no Slim-only software coming, but that was just MS's call. Still, I'm sure pretty much nobody in the world calls the DSi the successor to the DS

You have to entertain the fact that as time passes, new revisions of the same hardware are released and they have increased stability, simply due to the fact that the manufacturing process has been perfected or because one part has been replaced with a newer generation one, or because the manufacturer thought that this slight tweak will increase the overall experience. As long as the end hardware runs the same software under the same firmware and there is no exclusive content for the new edition, we can't speak of a successor but of a revision. The DSi had exclusive content, the Gameboy Colour had exclusive content - those are not revisions, they're successors of their previous consoles.

The GBA SP saw several revisions (4 if I'm not mistaken), all of which had small hardware differences. Did either receive any special content? Nope. I'll look into the whole "Slim is Faster" issue, but I don't expect the differences to be substantial - the general setup remains the same, what changes are minor components, their layout or the technological process behind making them, not the core design.

ProtoKun7 · Jun 28, 2012

raulpica said:
DS-DSi = Gameboy Pocket-Gameboy Color.
Same console, different revision (a bit more powerful, at that).

Eh, not really. Game Boy Pocket was an updated Game Boy (fourth generation) and the Game Boy Color was fifth generation. DS and DSi are both seventh. In this analogy the DS is GB, the DSi is GBP.

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