regardless of price im getting. honetly if you put back 50$ each paycheck, you'd have more than enough money to buy it in 2 months and we have a long wait before release so you'd have plenty of time to save up for games as well.
Um, that didn't exactly save the Gamecube y'know, and people seriously get hard over the Gamecube first parties.
Like yeah, Super Mario Galaxy and Zelda sells well, but they feel insignificant when you look at the "family oriented" Nintendo games. I mean like Mario Kart has like what, 25 million sales? What about Wii Play? NSMB Wii (regardless of what you say, the game was heavily advertised as a family game)?
At this point traditional "core" first parties can't carry the system.
The Mother franchise or am I thinking oddly?
I think people in the US seriously overstate how well Mother would actually do here. Congrats, you have a somewhat devoted fanbase, but you're still relatively unknown to everyone else and it still has no appeal past the turn-based RPG audience.
Mother is probably the last franchise they'd turn to as a "core gamer stimulus package". Zelda does better, Mario does better, Super Smash Bros. does better.
I was about to say something similar, but then I passed it off as a joke. Though, the history talking about what was done to get Mother 3 over hear shows that there are an astounding number of fans, but not enough to consider it a "system saving game".
"Outstanding numbers" and "dedicated fans" aren't the same thing. The squeaky wheel gets the oil, or how the saying goes, and you don't need a lot of people to be loud.
In all honesty I think Nintendo would do just fine sticking to their current Mario RPGs which have proven to be great games with a broader appeal and more recognizable franchise than Mother. Even then Mario RPGs still don't fetch "Mario Kart level" sales.
from what i've seen so far with the launch lineup i would have to say it's a high possibility it will be another wii fiasco with a shitstorm of sw and gimmicky games that need the tablet.
Iwata is saying the opposite, wide audience titles don't have the same appeal anymore, casual gamers are moving on and aren't as reliable as the core market.
He feels that the Wii failed and is guilty for the separation of the market, he further explains how gamers on their platforms while having a Wii also has another gaming system along with it for better hardware and online. Things they're trying to get right with the Wii U against other future consoles, along with more developers.
The Gamecube was by no means a failure though it pales in comparison to the massive sales the PS2 got. The PS2 was one of the early systems of it's generation, it doubled as a DVD player (very important at this time), it had backwards compatibility, it was cheap, it had casual titles like the eyetoy and further down the line it was easy to pirate games for.
Good sales from the beginning lead to developers jumping aboard, more developers lead to a great software library which ultimately lead to even more sales.
The Gamecube just played games, mostly first party ones because of the success the PS2 had with developers.
With the Wii U however, they're planning to have some of the success the Wii had by making titles like 2D Mario and Wii fit all this while making games that generally doesn't get that many good sales like Pikmin.
Pikmin is to tough of a game for the mainstream market, it's an RTS game, Mario on the other hand is a simple 2D platformer, a genre clicking well with casuals because of it's simplicity, while Nintendo could make it the hardest game in the series it would still be simple to control plus they also have the super guide thing.
Iwata's main goal according to him is to change the Wii brand among core gamers and still have some accessible games available but to a lower degree.
They spent an entire generation ignoring some of the franchises that made the Gamecube memorable, other times they simplified some games like Smash Bros and Mario kart making them have a wider appeal than before by adding tripping and whatnot.
Nintendo wants to move away from that, one of the reasons why Miyamoto at the Pikmin presentation said that Pikmin was a deep experience with even more strategy elements than before.
Casuals are moving on to other things like smartphone games and the amount of core gamers is bigger than before.
Reliable core gamers are a better financial source than casuals this time around, well according to Nintendo at least, they have the data and I see no point in lying about it.
Anyway if the Wii U gets great sales from the beginning and more developers aboard because of that, I don't see how it could end up being a failure. I'm talking both financially and how the Wii failed in some aspects.
they need to show more games as it's the whole point people buy these things, and it better be at least as good as a 360 and not any less either.
Considering nintendo has yet to actually have a failure of a game system other than the virtuaboy (which wasn't even a core console attempt) I highly doubt this will be any different.
They've lost some console wars, but never has a product been a full-blown failure. Even the gamecube yielded fine profit.
As for this, I believe it will be a success and grant nintendo a second consecutive console war victory.
They've lost some console wars, but never has a product been a full-blown failure. Even the gamecube yielded fine profit.
As for this, I believe it will be a success and grant nintendo a second consecutive console war victory.
I still hate to think of the wii as a "victory" in terms of hardcore gamers. The sheer amount of crap that went out to that system, the lack of reputable 3rd party support and the lackluster hardware kind of cast a shadow on the console for me. Don't get me wrong, I think it is a fine system and some games were really fun to play. I usually don't mind less graphically beautiful games as long as they are well made and play crisply (for lack of a better term but you get my point), pretty looking is a plus. The problem is, however, that these gems were few and far in between all the shovelware that came out on the wii...hopefully there will be more awesome and less shovel when it comes to this system in which case I don't care what the games look like (as long as it isn't so bad that i get a headache)
It comes down to the games as we`ve seen with the 3DS... High price with lackluster launch-lineup=poor sales. More suitable price and a pile of amazing games=great sales!
Nintendo will have to convince people to not only upgrade from Wii, but for example to play Blops2 on WiiU rather then 360 or PS3... How can they do that: the online-structure should be spot on and it should have features hat actually enhance gameplay and differentiate it from the others in a positive and optional way.
I have so many friends that own a PS3 just for FIFA and CoD. So if some of those see that they could get the same experiences of those titles on a Nintendo console but also get their Nintendo-fix they were missing for so long they could upgrade to WiiU.
I mean for those guys, and I know that for sure, social aspects, such as video chat, messeging and such is huge stuff and to have that in the palm of your hand any givin time is a huge plus.
But who know, it`s up to Nintendo to market it well, since the opportunities givin through the hardware are tremendous!
Also most of the really important information such as price,releasedate, launchlineup and complete infrastructure of the system aren`t even givin yet so it would definitely unfair to judge ho it`ll do!
Also I`m laughing at all those people, who said there is no space for portable gaming any more because of tablets and smartphones replacing it... Gaming without buttons is not precise enough to be diverse for complex games!
That`s also why Move>Kinect and why Smartglass, in conjunction with Gaming, will fail completely. It`s a mess of an idea and I don`t know which fool came up with such an nonsense idea! But that`s a complete different matter I guess
Nintendo will have to convince people to not only upgrade from Wii, but for example to play Blops2 on WiiU rather then 360 or PS3... How can they do that: the online-structure should be spot on and it should have features hat actually enhance gameplay and differentiate it from the others in a positive and optional way.
I have so many friends that own a PS3 just for FIFA and CoD. So if some of those see that they could get the same experiences of those titles on a Nintendo console but also get their Nintendo-fix they were missing for so long they could upgrade to WiiU.
I mean for those guys, and I know that for sure, social aspects, such as video chat, messeging and such is huge stuff and to have that in the palm of your hand any givin time is a huge plus.
But who know, it`s up to Nintendo to market it well, since the opportunities givin through the hardware are tremendous!
Also most of the really important information such as price,releasedate, launchlineup and complete infrastructure of the system aren`t even givin yet so it would definitely unfair to judge ho it`ll do!
Also I`m laughing at all those people, who said there is no space for portable gaming any more because of tablets and smartphones replacing it... Gaming without buttons is not precise enough to be diverse for complex games!
That`s also why Move>Kinect and why Smartglass, in conjunction with Gaming, will fail completely. It`s a mess of an idea and I don`t know which fool came up with such an nonsense idea! But that`s a complete different matter I guess
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A) We don't know the price yet
B) The only rumors of price thus far put a $300 price tag on the Wii U
C) The system will come included with one UPad, and there's no indication as of yet if any games will even REQUIRE a 2nd UPad for multiplayer.
D) Were you even BORN when the Xbox 360 and PS3 were first released??
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You mean like the days of the Snes? Because I firmly believe that was Nintendo's most successful (see: least hated) system ever.
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I think the hatred of Nintendo systems is something that tends to happen more in retrospect, than when the console is actually out... Think about it. Everyone loved the NES, SNES, N64, and Gamecube during their lifespans. Heck, even the Wii was much-loved for the first 4 or 5 years. It's in RETROSPECT that people started saying "oh, the NES had tons of shovelware" and "N64 had a stupid controller and used cartridges" and "GCN was stupid for using mini DVDs." Heck, people didn't even hate the Wii at all until PS3/360 started stepping up the game with their graphics about 4 or 5 years in. And in all that, people just didn't find anything to hate about the SNES.
But yeah, in current days, I agree, SNES is probably the least-hated Nintendo system.
Tbh I think it's going to be a failure, even though I wish from the deepest of my heart that it's going to be yet another successful Nintendo console ;___;
"Most successful" and "least hated" aren't synonyms, you can't just put "(see: least hated)" to make it so.
It will succeed in regards to sales.
old folks homes will stock it for senior citizens
mommy's and daddy's will buy it for their kiddies birthday
mommys will buy it to exercise and play mini games
little girls will ask their daddy for it to play the hundreds of imagine________ games
and nintendo fanboys will buy whatever copy and paste franchise Nintendo decide release
but real gamers will will avoid it like the plague, nothing about the Wii U appeals to real gamers.
it'll be a failure in the eyes of real gamers, just like the Wii.
It's gimmicky and under powered
old folks homes will stock it for senior citizens
mommy's and daddy's will buy it for their kiddies birthday
mommys will buy it to exercise and play mini games
little girls will ask their daddy for it to play the hundreds of imagine________ games
and nintendo fanboys will buy whatever copy and paste franchise Nintendo decide release
but real gamers will will avoid it like the plague, nothing about the Wii U appeals to real gamers.
it'll be a failure in the eyes of real gamers, just like the Wii.
It's gimmicky and under powered
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