You haven't seen the last of Megaupload!

Rydian · May 30, 2012

VMM said:
The problem is, many music studios and video studios from USA seen that they were losing money due to piracy

The problem is that's an outright lie. If I download a song off the internet, who loses how much money and how? Nobody, which is why it's not a crime.

It infringes on rights, which is a civil issue.

Janthran · May 30, 2012

TwinRetro said:
Janthran said:

My point is that as far as any of you are concerned, MegaUpload really should be shut down.

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Yes, I agree. While we're at it, let's ban anything that could be used illegally. I think it would be easier to name things that wouldn't be illegal at that point.

The point is, just because something is used illegally and not for it's original intent, it doesn't mean that thing should be illegal. That kind of logic is a dangerous, slippery slope for obvious reasons.

I think knives that aren't plastic should be banned entirely.

VMM · May 30, 2012

Rydian said:
VMM said:

The problem is, many music studios and video studios from USA seen that they were losing money due to piracy

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The problem is that's an outright lie. If I download a song off the internet, who loses how much money and how? Nobody, which is why it's not a crime.

It infringes on rights, which is a civil issue.

If you download a music, song, game, program or anything that has copyrights it's not a crime, but if you provide download links, without a license to do that, that's a crime!

Foxi4 said:
VMM said:

The problem is, many music studios and video studios from USA seen that they were losing money due to piracy, and Megaupload was one of the most used sites for piracy.
Even if they provide a free service, they are infriging copyrights, of USA enterprises, so the hotel comparison is not valid.

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No they're not and yes it is. If I bury some illegal explosives in your backyard, can the F.B.I bust your a*s for terrorist activity? No, because it's not your damned explosives, they're just in your backyard because someone put them without your knowledge or consent.

If you commit a crime in other country, you will be penalized by the laws of that country.
With this, it's the same, they are chained to USA laws.

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Firstly, it's not certain whether they commited a crime or not. Secondly, it's not as simple as you think it is. Thirdly, why are you saying that the crime was commited in the USA when it's an internet crime with no specified location? Are you trying to say that the crime was simultainously commited *gasp* ALL AROUND THE WORLD? What a devilish masterplan that must've been!

The thing is, they used a lot of holes in USA law, making their service legal, USA can't arrest them or stop their service.

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Except they had them arrested and stopped their service. An entirely legal service at that - simple file hosting.

I'll tell you how it REALLY works - the USA as per usual feels like they're the no.1 World's Police Officer and it's their duty to stand guard over things they don't own. Period. There's nothing more to add here.

TPB is a different case, it's situaded in Swedden, and the normal laws doesn't work correcty there.

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You just said that Megaupload commited a crime in the USA by being on the internet, didn't you? The servers weren't in the US. Where was the crime commited, make up your mind.

In Swedden, their banks do the money laundering, this is a crime in almost every country,

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...and I heard that ogres make bread out of human bones!

but they use that autonomy, so nobody can intervene in their business

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It's called internal politics. They don't have to rely on the U.S government, they're not a state in the U.S.

USA usually ignore this right of the country's autonomy and invade them, and intervene in their politics, economy and culture, just to get their petroleum.
They don't have the right to do that, but there is noone that stand against USA.

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The U.S shoots itself in the foot quite efficiently, soon you won't be able to afford your happy escapades anymore, at least not as easily.

You really didn't understand anything that I said, do you?
I never said they commit a crime, because they weren't the ones who uploaded that content, and their purpose is other theorically.

Megaupload is situated in New Zeland? So what? They are judged on american law, because they are infriging copyrights of USA enterprises.
If you go to USA rob a bank, and them go back to Poland you will be judged by the america's law because of your robbery.

They should be obligated to take out every file that infriges copyright but by the american law, they can't be arrested.

Why are you so offensive and sarcastic, I was explaining, If you had understood that good, but you didn't, so shut the fuck up or say something relevant.

What did you mean with this? :
"The U.S shoots itself in the foot quite efficiently, soon you won't be able to afford your happy escapades anymore, at least not as easily"

MelodieOctavia · May 30, 2012

Janthran said:
TwinRetro said:

Janthran said:

My point is that as far as any of you are concerned, MegaUpload really should be shut down.

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Yes, I agree. While we're at it, let's ban anything that could be used illegally. I think it would be easier to name things that wouldn't be illegal at that point.

The point is, just because something is used illegally and not for it's original intent, it doesn't mean that thing should be illegal. That kind of logic is a dangerous, slippery slope for obvious reasons.

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I think knives that aren't plastic should be banned entirely.

And what happens when people sharpen plastic knives to stab people with?

Janthran · May 30, 2012

TwinRetro said:
Janthran said:

TwinRetro said:

Janthran said:

My point is that as far as any of you are concerned, MegaUpload really should be shut down.

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Yes, I agree. While we're at it, let's ban anything that could be used illegally. I think it would be easier to name things that wouldn't be illegal at that point.

The point is, just because something is used illegally and not for it's original intent, it doesn't mean that thing should be illegal. That kind of logic is a dangerous, slippery slope for obvious reasons.

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I think knives that aren't plastic should be banned entirely.

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And what happens when people sharpen plastic knives to stab people with?

They go to prison.

MelodieOctavia · May 30, 2012

Janthran said:
TwinRetro said:

Janthran said:

TwinRetro said:

Janthran said:

My point is that as far as any of you are concerned, MegaUpload really should be shut down.

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Yes, I agree. While we're at it, let's ban anything that could be used illegally. I think it would be easier to name things that wouldn't be illegal at that point.

The point is, just because something is used illegally and not for it's original intent, it doesn't mean that thing should be illegal. That kind of logic is a dangerous, slippery slope for obvious reasons.

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I think knives that aren't plastic should be banned entirely.

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And what happens when people sharpen plastic knives to stab people with?

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They go to prison.

And what of the plastic knives? I think a simple analogy has somehow completely flown over your head.

Foxi4 · May 30, 2012

@[member='VMM']

1. I heard the analogy about robbing the bank a hundred times by now. It *still* does not work. Now, if my computer was a server and robbed banks behind my back - that's more like it.
2. Megaupload can't just check files like this. As it was said earlier, they would be breaking the law then, invading the uploader's privacy. Moreover, it would take more manpower than they could possibly afford. By your logic, google should be shut down for infringing every imaginable copyright with Youtube.
3. I'm not even sarcastic - you're just wrong on a myriad of levels. I took your post apart sentence by sentence because each and every one had something for me to comment upon. You're asking for the impossible, you give the U.S too much credit, you fail to understand that services like this are not physically capable to remove all illegal data and can only keep up with the reports they recieve or answer to take-down requests and first and foremost that they were not providing download links for anything, they were providing users with space to upload and share files.

You can't blame them or convict them for the crimes of their users - that's like convicting a mayor of a town of murder if someone in his town becomes a victim of it in his town. That's just not how law works.

Megaupload was not closed for any noble reason like you assume - it was closed because of the pressure put on the U.S government by corporations. Once again they try to be the world's police officer and convict people who aren't even in the U.S and never physically or otherwise committee a crime there.

VMM · May 30, 2012

Foxi4 said:
....and I heard that ogres make bread out of human bones!

3. I'm not even sarcastic - you're just wrong on a myriad of levels. I took your post apart sentence by sentence because each and every one had something for me to comment upon. You're asking for the impossible, you give the U.S too much credit, you fail to understand that services like this are not physically capable to remove all illegal data and can only keep up with the reports they recieve or answer to take-down requests and first and foremost that they were not providing download links for anything, they were providing users with space to upload and share files.

Need I to say anything else?!

Foxi4 said:
@[member='VMM']

1. I heard the analogy about robbing the bank a hundred times by now. It *still* does not work. Now, if my computer was a server and robbed banks behind my back - that's more like it.

You can't blame them or convict them for the crimes of their users - that's like convicting a mayor of a town of murder if someone in his town becomes a victim of it in his town. That's just not how law works.

Megaupload was not closed for any noble reason like you assume - it was closed because of the pressure put on the U.S government by corporations. Once again they try to be the world's police officer and convict people who aren't even in the U.S and never physically or otherwise committee a crime there.

If you make a game, and them a user uploads it on mediafire, you have the right to sue mediafire because they let users download your game.
It's the same thing, except that us goverment is supporting the music and video corporations in this.
If they can't check for copyright infrigement than they can't stand with their site online.
It's pretty common to go to other uploader sites and not being able to download a file because, it the site deleted it because of copyright infrigement,
so yes, they can do that

Foxi4 said:
2. Megaupload can't just check files like this. As it was said earlier, they would be breaking the law then, invading the uploader's privacy. Moreover, it would take more manpower than they could possibly afford. By your logic, google should be shut down for infringing every imaginable copyright with Youtube.

Most of the videos that infrige copyrights are deleted before being able to post them.
Google checks all youtube videos for copyright infrigements, you probably already had problem trying to see a video that was blocked for this.

KazoWAR · May 30, 2012

i think i remember something about megaupload expanding to some more servers and they where in the us so that is when the fbi raided the site.

Skelletonike · May 30, 2012

VMM said:
The problem is, many music studios and video studios from USA seen that they were losing money due to piracy, and Megaupload was one of the most used sites for piracy.
Even if they provide a free service, they are infriging copyrights, of USA enterprises, so the hotel comparison is not valid.

If you commit a crime in other country, you will be penalized by the laws of that country.
With this, it's the same, they are chained to USA laws.

The thing is, they used a lot of holes in USA law, making their service legal, USA can't arrest them or stop their service.

TPB is a different case, it's situaded in Swedden, and the normal laws doesn't work correcty there.
In Swedden, their banks do the money laundering, this is a crime in almost every country,
but they use that autonomy, so nobody can intervene in their business

USA usually ignore this right of the country's autonomy and invade them, and intervene in their politics, economy and culture, just to get their petroleum.
They don't have the right to do that, but there is noone that stand against USA.

The USA can't really do as they want in all countries, also, Sweden is a member country of the Europe Union, so if anything, the EU could act, now the USA trying but their nose into stuff regarding any member country could end up somewhat messy.

On topic tho, I really hope that they show the FBI and USA who's boss, not to mention they had no right to burst into Kingcom's house the way they did, that was overkill.

Madrigal · May 30, 2012

At this point I don't really care. All it's done is de-centralize it and spread it out between a bunch of little guys. For instance Icefilms used to use MU pretty much exclusively. Now they are using 5-6 different providers. All taking down MU has done is make it harder to have copyrighted material removed as MU was co-operating and removing stuff as asked. Now instead of just going to MU and asking for it to be removed, they have to ask 5-6 different places, which may or may not comply.

Foxi4 · May 30, 2012

VMM said:
If you make a game, and them a user uploads it on mediafire, you have the right to sue mediafire because they let users download your game.

No, you don't, because Mediafire has no way of knowing this occurred. You can only request file removal.

It's the same thing, except that us goverment is supporting the music and video corporations in this.

No, it's not. Dotcom is accused of racketing, fraud, money laundrying and numerous other crimes - distribution of pirated content is the least of his worries in this trial.

If they can't check for copyright infrigement than they can't stand with their site online.

Yeah, they can. As does Rapidshare, Youtube/Google Videos, Vimeo and numerous other sites.

It's pretty common to go to other uploader sites and not being able to download a file because, it the site deleted it because of copyright infrigement,

Because they're obliged to remove the files IF A COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT REPORT HAS BEEN FILED.

so yes, they can do that

A thousand times no.

VMM said:
Most of the videos that infrige copyrights are deleted before being able to post them.
Google checks all youtube videos for copyright infrigements, you probably already had problem trying to see a video that was blocked for this.

Would you like to test that theory and upload a music video to Youtube? I'm willing to wager that it will not be removed before someone files a complaint.

hatredg0d · May 30, 2012

Rydian said:
Janthran said:

Why is TPB still up?

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Despite what it wants to believe, the US is not the entire world. TPB's hosted in another country.

this, they also dont play much more of a role in piracy then google.

Foxi4 · May 30, 2012

hatredg0d said:
Rydian said:

Janthran said:

Why is TPB still up?

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Despite what it wants to believe, the US is not the entire world. TPB's hosted in another country.

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this, they also dont play much more of a role in piracy then google.

Now that you mention it, the Google search engine IS quite an effective tool for searching for pirated content. Should they be locked down for indexing those sites, showing them in search results and thus hosting links to copyright-infringing material?

Rydian · May 30, 2012

VMM said:
If you download a music, song, game, program or anything that has copyrights it's not a crime, but if you provide download links, without a license to do that, that's a crime!

Yar, there are things that can escalate piracy to criminal status.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/17/506

(A) for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial gain;
(B) by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180–day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $1,000; or
(C) by the distribution of a work being prepared for commercial distribution, by making it available on a computer network accessible to members of the public, if such person knew or should have known that the work was intended for commercial distribution.

Foxi4 said:
Now that you mention it, the Google search engine IS quite an effective tool for searching for pirated content. Should they be locked down for indexing those sites, showing them in search results and thus hosting links to copyright-infringing material?

People have tried to do it in the past, of course.
http://paidcontent.org/2011/12/17/419-is-google-really-getting-rich-off-piracy/

Foxi4 · May 31, 2012

@[member='Rydian']

Hilarious find Rydian, I skim-read and I must say, people will never cease to amaze me.

But jokes aside, it's time to head back to some more hilarious accusations. I believe that automobile companies deserve to be brought to justice. If not for their cars, people wouldn't die on the roads nearly as often! They are purposely facilitating the mass murder of innocent people, who cares about the drivers, it's their fault. Honda? More like holocaust.

Janthran · May 31, 2012

Foxi4 said:
I believe that automobile companies deserve to be brought to justice. If not for their cars, people wouldn't die on the roads nearly as often! They are purposely facilitating the mass murder of innocent people, who cares about the drivers, it's their fault. Honda? More like holocaust.

Dang right.
Also, metal utensils. Ech.

VMM · May 31, 2012

Foxi4 said:
No, you don't, because Mediafire has no way of knowing this occurred. You can only request file removal.

Yeah, they can. As does Rapidshare, Youtube/Google Videos, Vimeo and numerous other sites.

Because they're obliged to remove the files IF A COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT REPORT HAS BEEN FILED.

They remove because if they let the file wich infriges copyrights after the corporation request, they will be sued!

Foxi4 said:
No, it's not. Dotcom is accused of racketing, fraud, money laundrying and numerous other crimes - distribution of pirated content is the least of his worries in this trial.

You know that Dotcom got arrested just because USA goverment, nobody gave a fuck about him before this

Foxi4 said:
Would you like to test that theory and upload a music video to Youtube? I'm willing to wager that it will not be removed before someone files a complaint.

A few months ago I uploaded a commercial, a video of America's got talent, and a music on youtube, guess what, they were instantly removed,
when I was uploading the videos, before even posting them, Youtube advertised me, and blocked them.

Foxi4 · May 31, 2012

VMM said:
They remove because if they let the file wich infriges copyrights after the corporation request, they will be sued!

Only if they refuse. That's pretty obvious.

You know that Dotcom got arrested just because USA goverment, nobody gave a fuck about him before this

That's no reason to accept injustice though.

A few months ago I uploaded a commercial, a video of America's got talent, and a music on youtube, guess what, they were instantly removed,
when I was uploading the videos, before even posting them, Youtube advertised me, and blocked them.

Y'know, companies have people who's work is looking for infringing content and reporting it. It's entirely possible that your video was flagged and blocked, but not automatically - someone must have seen it first and asserted that it is indeed infringing someone's copyrights. Notice that Youtube is currently the most popular "jukebox" on the planet and probably the largest collection of illegal music videos and sometimes even whole movies in the entire world while it was created having the sharing of private movies in mind.

Thesolcity · May 31, 2012

inb4 its "lost".

You haven't seen the last of Megaupload!

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