DO NOT SIMPLY COPY AN ENTIRE ARTICLE

Wizerzak · May 25, 2012

smealum said:
Wizerzak said:

p1ngpong said:

Plagiarism is plagiarism no matter what section it is in, so no, this rule applies forum wide.

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Surely it's not plagiarism if you put it in a quote / paragraph box and make sure you give a source? If anything that's free advertising for the site you're linking to.

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Except that then there's a good chance readers won't actually click the link, and therefore they'll benefit from the content without the provider getting anything out of it (like any kind of ad revenue).
So from the content provider's point of view it *is* theft/plagiarism, and since that's apparently also what it is from the law's point of view, there shouldn't be much of a debate on whether it's acceptable here.

OK I see your point now. (Thank you for actually talking civilly, people posting crap back doesn't solve anything). So, would it be OK if we poasted the beginning of an article, cut it off quarter / half way through then linked to the full article if people want to read more? That way the site would be getting advertising (if their article is any good and people are intrigued to carry on reading, if not they need to improve their articles) plus the news posted on GBAtemp would still be 'readable' and not biased.

Just an idea.

Guild McCommunist · May 25, 2012

Wizerzak said:
OK I see your point now. (Thank you for actually talking civilly, people posting crap back doesn't solve anything). So, would it be OK if we poasted the beginning of an article, cut it off quarter / half way through then linked to the full article if people want to read more? That way the site would be getting advertising (if their article is any good and people are intrigued to carry on reading, if not they need to improve their articles) plus the news posted on GBAtemp would still be 'readable' and not biased.

Just an idea.

Well think of it like an essay in school. You're fine quoting a sentence or a point from an article but you can't just quote the entire article and hand it in as your essay so long as you have a citation.

Also we don't really post news articles to "advertise" other sites, we post them so people get the news. Here's a good example of "quoted" news. Basically most of the content is original but there's a few sentences from the article to give you a basic idea on the game.

Gahars · May 25, 2012

TehSkull said:
Rydian said:

The point is not to avoid the discussion, but to avoid copying the content.

If you don't feel that it's something that can be re-written, just put the link and a sentence or two about the subject explaining what the article is.

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Or you could put almost irrelevant sentences and the link like [member='Gahars']

I'm just giving the people their recommended dosage of puns, wisecracks, and general tomfoolery.

Feels Good Man · May 26, 2012

So... I don't understand this rule

Nathan Drake · May 26, 2012

To put it simply: people have been copying and pasting entire articles, which ultimately diverts traffic away from their source. GBAtemp is not exclusively a news site, and as such, shouldn't be stealing traffic. To fix this problem, those who post news should either paraphrase with snippets of the article, referring to the actual article for the main news, or not post news at all. Any USN posts that post the entire article, or even huge chunks of the article, are being locked.

If you want to deliver news to the other people, fine, but just give the bare bones details. If we want the nitty gritty, we can click on the article, give the news site traffic, and not steal their work. It's a win/win/win.

Feels Good Man · May 26, 2012

Would you consider this plagiarising:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38108816&postcount=1
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=38184825&postcount=1
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=37853572&postcount=1

Trying to get an idea of what's what.

Rydian · May 26, 2012

Feels Good Man said:
So... I don't understand this rule

THE BAD THING PEOPLE DO

A site posted some article in latin with some info on love and such.

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There's the whole article for you.

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THE GOOD THING THEY SHOULD BE DOING

A site posted some article in latin with some info on love and such.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Neque porro quisquam est qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit...

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There's a small cutout of the article showing what I feel to be the important point, which is a line about pain and why people may appear to seek it. The line points out that people often don't seek pain itself, but either something that happens to cause pain as a side-effect that they simply put up with, or as some sort of mental diversionary tactic. If you want to see the whole damn thing, you can click the link.

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Feels Good Man · May 26, 2012

Also, while I understand Urza's point, I don't really get this:

PS: If you want to see what happens when rampant plagiarism goes unchecked, just peek at the wraggster-run ghost town of DCEmu. Once a thriving community and respected name in the homebrew scene, now whored out to hit as many ad impressions as he possibly can against other people's content. Absolutely disgusting.

NeoGAF has been up and running for a very long time now as a message board and has many of those examples I stated above. They've been very successful on what they do and many industry people go there once in a while to discuss their games such as Dylan Cuthbert (Miyamoto's now son in law and President & Founder of Q-Games (did Starfox 64 3D)) and on top of that is very reputable as a news site/ video game discussion board. Hell, that site gets way more traffic and even goes down around E3 time because of how much people are trying to load the pages at the same time.

The only time I see a site flops (like what Urza is saying) is if they properly don't source their news as say it as their own which I don't really see many people here do (since I'm pretty sure is against the rules).

But yeah, I guess both sites are different but eh.

Wizerzak · May 26, 2012

Feels Good Man said:
Also, while I understand Urza's point, I don't really get this:

PS: If you want to see what happens when rampant plagiarism goes unchecked, just peek at the wraggster-run ghost town of DCEmu. Once a thriving community and respected name in the homebrew scene, now whored out to hit as many ad impressions as he possibly can against other people's content. Absolutely disgusting.

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NeoGAF has been up and running for a very long time now as a message board and has many of those examples I stated above. They've been very successful on what they do and many industry people go there once in a while to discuss their games such as Dylan Cuthbert (Miyamoto's now son in law and President & Founder of Q-Games (did Starfox 64 3D)) and on top of that is very reputable as a news site/ video game discussion board. Hell, that site gets way more traffic and even goes down around E3 time because of how much people are trying to load the pages at the same time.

The only time I see a site flops (like what Urza is saying) is if they properly don't source their news as say it as their own which I don't really see many people here do (since I'm pretty sure is against the rules).

But yeah, I guess both sites are different but eh.

This is exactly what I think, IMO as long as you give a source it should be OK. If it weren't for people posting the article on the temp, the websites posting the news wouldn't get this precious 'traffic' you talk about anyway. At least by posting the article on the temp some people are likely to click the link to read in full. (In fact, that's what I usually do anyway, regardless of whether it's cut down on not).

prowler · May 26, 2012

RupeeClock said:
Yours news articles aren't good, they aren't informative and they aren't written well in the least.
At the very least they aren't plagiarism.

Excuse you.

Jet Set Radio thread: All it was, was an announcement of the game going to the Vita, there wasn't any more info to put there.
Because We May Sale thread: What do you expect me to put down? Every single game up for sale? I said it's for PC/Mac/Linux/iOS/Android and that's all that was needed.

I'm not trying to sell you the games.

jurassicplayer · May 26, 2012

Wizerzak said:
This is exactly what I think, IMO as long as you give a source it should be OK.

Please do attempt using said quoting method in a school paper and submitting it. It's easier to just have a teacher judge it. Of course, by the quoting method in question, I mean copy/paste not just a sentence, not just a couple of sentences, but quote maybe two successive paragraphs or more if you want, otherwise I just can't see how you could possibly think that it's not plagiarism.

Wizerzak · May 26, 2012

jurassicplayer said:
Wizerzak said:

This is exactly what I think, IMO as long as you give a source it should be OK.

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Please do attempt using said quoting method in a school paper and submitting it. It's easier to just have a teacher judge it. Of course, by the quoting method in question, I mean copy/paste not just a sentence, not just a couple of sentences, but quote maybe two successive paragraphs or more if you want, otherwise I just can't see how you could possibly think that it's not plagiarism.

I don't have a clue what you meant by that post but why do people keep comparing it to essays? It's nothing to do with an essay. In an essay you quote in order to back up a previous point you have made. You don't write essays in order to inform people about a new game that has been released.

emigre · May 26, 2012

Wizerzak said:
I don't have a clue what you meant by that post but why do people keep comparing it to essays? It's nothing to do with an essay. In an essay you quote in order to back up a previous point you have made. You don't write essays in order to inform people about a new game that has been released.

Because in essays (or at least academic essays), sourcing properly and avoiding plagiarism is important. And this approach is being taking when reporting news. And the guidelines in writing an essay can be broadly applied to posting a news article.

Guild McCommunist · May 26, 2012

If people spent as much time arguing their position here as they did on writing original news article then this issue would be completely nonexistent.

I hate to be a hard ass here but you just can't copy and paste an entire article, throw in a source, and say you're done for the day. My example from before still stands. When you write an essay for school with proper scholarly sources cited, you don't copy their entire article and paste it as your essay, then expect to be exempt from being given a zero for plagiarism if you say "All this cited from X". You instead provide your own content, opinions, and views, then use the sources as the backbone and support of your essay.

It does compare to a news article. You can't just submit an article quoted from elsewhere and expect to be void from plagiarism because you put the source. You instead should write something original and use the source as evidence that what you said is correct.

I really don't know why so many people are fighting for the right to, well, be lazy and not write something original. It doesn't have to be long paragraphs. Just maybe a line or two from the main source and a few sentences of your own elaboration. If people want more info they can go to the source, but if you're doing it right, they shouldn't have to.

RupeeClock · May 27, 2012

prowler said:
RupeeClock said:

Yours news articles aren't good, they aren't informative and they aren't written well in the least.
At the very least they aren't plagiarism.

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Excuse you.

Jet Set Radio thread: All it was, was an announcement of the game going to the Vita, there wasn't any more info to put there.
Because We May Sale thread: What do you expect me to put down? Every single game up for sale? I said it's for PC/Mac/Linux/iOS/Android and that's all that was needed.

I'm not trying to sell you the games.

Even with so little to report on, you could've put an effort into the article.

Not everyone knows what the game is, why it's significant that the title is coming to the PS Vita, you could added imagery to support the article.
You didn't alude to the updated visuals, the use of touch-screen for graffiti spraying, that MORE details will be coming at E3 because it will be playable at the event...

In fact all you did was write posts in all caps and say O M F G. You obviously do care very much about the game, I didn't say you were trying to sell it to me but you could've made an effort to explain why it excites you ever so much.

It may not be plagiarism but User Submitted News posts are supposed to be of a certain quality, I sure as hell wouldn't read any gaming journalism site like Joystiq if all their articles had the same amount of effort or care as yours. Point is USN isn't just for quick sharing of news or can be treated like general forum posts.
I can see you can use punctuation when you care to, please do it on future USN articles.

prowler · May 27, 2012

RupeeClock said:
Point is USN isn't just for quick sharing of news

yes it isthats the whole point of usn

RupeeClock said:
I can see you can use punctuation when you care to, please do it on future USN articles.

n0

prowler · May 27, 2012

this is just getting stupid now
stop shitting threads up and acting like mods just because it doesnt suit YOUR needs.

here's how usn threads should go
general information on what the info in the source will be about > click link to source
DONE

not rewording the WHOLE source just so you can feel good about yourself because in fact youve done nothing

Fudge · May 27, 2012

prowler said:
this is just getting stupid now
stop shitting threads up and acting like mods just because it doesnt suit YOUR needs.

here's how usn threads should go
general information on what the info in the source will be about > click link to source
DONE

not rewording the WHOLE source just so you can feel good about yourself because in fact youve done nothing

I don't think you should be the one bitching, considering you're threads all look like they were posted by spambots

Rydian · May 27, 2012

If prowler wants to be lazy and just drop a link and some words, I'm okay with that.

But bitching at other people when he's putting forth less effort is not cool.

Hyro-Sama · May 27, 2012

If it's going to start petty flame wars then maybe only the staff should be allowed to post news.

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