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I had started watching The Walking Dead months ago on Netflix. They only had the first 6 episodes on there at the time, so I didn't look further.

I just checked now. Still only the first 6.

Damn you Netflix!
Download online? DDL? Torrents? Shouldn't be hard, hell I recently redownloaded all of season 1 and half of season 2 in 720p, fast downloads as well.
 

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Doubt it. Too much happens in Woodbury for them to breeze over the entire thing and jump to an immediate war between the people.
So you're saying what? They'll skip Woodbury entirely? I suppose the war was when Lori's baby was supposed to die, so if the unborn baby is already dead, then I guess you're probably right...
No, I think they'll introduce Woodbury later. Maybe something will happen in the next couple of episode that leads to the prison and then to Woodbury on the way. I'm pretty sure they're going to introduce a Michonne character, too, so we still need that.


Michonne chartacter?

Also,
Lori's baby dies?!?!?!?!?!?!??! WTF?!?!?!?!?!? That is a huge spoiler!!!!
Michonne is this badass woman with a sword who doesn't take any shit from anyone and causes a lot of problems for another character. Also, Lori's baby dies, yes, but there's like way way waaaaaaaay more than that. Arguably, that comic changed the entire mood of the comic and made it incredibly depressing for the next couple of issues.
It is in spoiler tags, I didn't force you to open them ;)
And yeah, as @kthnxshwn said
Alot more happens then Lori's baby's death, ALOT more, I'd love to blurt it out in this spoiler but considering you, VVoltz, will more than likely look at this even it's in a spoiler tag, I won't.

Awwww. Thanks!
 

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I found this article, what do you think?
People have attributed a lot of metaphorical significance to zombies since George Romero released his second undead movie,
Dawn of the Dead
, in 1978. In that movie, the zombies hung around the places they used to lumber through in life, specifically an awesome mall with a fully stocked gun store outside of Pittsburgh. The suggestion there was that these people were already “zombies” before they were dead, but, presumably, with a little more interest in the food court Sbarro (then again, maybe not).​
Where zombie metaphors aren’t obvious, people tend to use the undead horde as stand-ins for whatever group they currently don’t like. Hate the Tea Party? Zombies. Christian conservatives? Zombies. War protesters? Zombies. Those be-dreadlocked mouthbreathers in a drum circle inside Zuccotti Park? Zombies.
Zombies, though, at their best are a natural disaster: a Hurricane Katrina, Haitian earthquake or Japanese tsunami. They are a worldwide extinction-level threat that forces the living characters to be stripped down to what they really are. Watching these plots unfold, you have to ask yourself how you’d handle a similar situation. Are you a leader
or a follower? Are you strong or are you weak? Are you a man or are you a member of the indie-folk rock band Modest Mouse? There’s not much call for banjo and ukulele players in the zombie apocalypse is what I’m saying. Pick up a few survival skills, Isaac Brock, if you know what’s good for you.

Zombies, Metaphors And Masculinity

That’s when metaphor gets turned on its head. Where zombies might be used to represent aspects of our culture, the actual survivors represent us as individuals. On AMC’s
The Walking Dead
, we are presented with two
alpha male
characters who are vying for group leadership: Rick Grimes and Shane Walsh. One of those guys is the perfect leader: not only can he keep his people alive in a world filled with zombies, but he can actually find a way to make that world a safer, more livable place. The other one is Rick Grimes.
I think this speaks to a larger issue with men in the real world. Specifically, how society expects the modern man to be a sweaty, weak-kneed manchild who is overly concerned with ruffling the feathers of people who have no business being covered in feathers in the first place. A mangina who knows in his sensitive, bleeding heart that violence doesn’t solve anything and killing the bad guy, be it serial killer, murdering terrorist or genocidal evil dictator, makes you just as bad as he is. War, man, what is it good for?
It would be awesome if that stuff were true, but it’s make believe. Sometimes the bad guys don’t stop being bad until they’re dead. Violence can and has solved lots of problems, and war, I’m sad to say, can serve a purpose -- like freeing an entire society, ending slavery or stopping a holocaust. And if you haven’t ruffled somebody’s feathers with something you’ve said, then you’ve never really said anything worthwhile in your life.
Rick Grimes, played by English actor Andrew Lincoln, is supposed to be the hero of
The Walking Dead
, but why? Because he’s a decent, sensitive man? Every decision Rick makes ends up with another member of their group injured or dead. Here come some spoilers: Merle, Carl, Otis, Sophia, Amy, Jim, Ed, and Jacqui have all died or nearly died as a direct result of actions Rick has taken in the show.
Meanwhile, Shane, played by Jon Bernthal, is the guy the show wants you to think is too unstable and violent. But he’s the reason every single character alive on the show is still alive. That includes Rick’s harpy wife, his slackjawed kid and even Rick himself. Shane actually kills Otis so that he can get away from a group of zombies to save Rick’s kid, who got shot in the chest in the first place (by Otis, no less) because Rick was an idiot.
The thing, of course, is that it’s a zombie show. People are going to be eaten once in a while, or you don’t have much of a show. Without hordes of cannibalistic zombies, gruesome kills and constant paranoid danger at every turn, you just have a show about a bunch of whiny, insipid white people sitting around on a farm, killing time between pharmacy trips by complaining about one other and shooting cans/logs as target practice. And, I mean, nobody wants that.
The problem, I think, is the writers’ societal conditioning. The way they were raised in this man-hating era is causing problems within the story. There’s no question that if there were really a zombie apocalypse (like the one I’ve been planning and preparing for my entire adult life), a Shane will keep you alive and a Rick will have a zombie picking pieces of you out of its teeth. Why should it take an apocalyptic scenario for a man with actual balls to have value? Why should cowardice and conformity be accepted as virtues?
Why would a guy who wants to calmly discuss the barn full of hungry zombies as if it’s some sort of zoning problem be a better leader than the guy who wants to kill them all immediately? I guess we’ll have to keep watching
The Walking Dead
to find out, but right now I’m not convinced.​
 

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I found this article, what do you think?
People have attributed a lot of metaphorical significance to zombies since George Romero released his second undead movie,

Dawn of the Dead
, in 1978. In that movie, the zombies hung around the places they used to lumber through in life, specifically an awesome mall with a fully stocked gun store outside of Pittsburgh. The suggestion there was that these people were already “zombies” before they were dead, but, presumably, with a little more interest in the food court Sbarro (then again, maybe not).​

Where zombie metaphors aren’t obvious, people tend to use the undead horde as stand-ins for whatever group they currently don’t like. Hate the Tea Party? Zombies. Christian conservatives? Zombies. War protesters? Zombies. Those be-dreadlocked mouthbreathers in a drum circle inside Zuccotti Park? Zombies.

Zombies, though, at their best are a natural disaster: a Hurricane Katrina, Haitian earthquake or Japanese tsunami. They are a worldwide extinction-level threat that forces the living characters to be stripped down to what they really are. Watching these plots unfold, you have to ask yourself how you’d handle a similar situation. Are you a leader
or a follower? Are you strong or are you weak? Are you a man or are you a member of the indie-folk rock band Modest Mouse? There’s not much call for banjo and ukulele players in the zombie apocalypse is what I’m saying. Pick up a few survival skills, Isaac Brock, if you know what’s good for you.


Zombies, Metaphors And Masculinity

That’s when metaphor gets turned on its head. Where zombies might be used to represent aspects of our culture, the actual survivors represent us as individuals. On AMC’s

The Walking Dead
, we are presented with two

alpha male
characters who are vying for group leadership: Rick Grimes and Shane Walsh. One of those guys is the perfect leader: not only can he keep his people alive in a world filled with zombies, but he can actually find a way to make that world a safer, more livable place. The other one is Rick Grimes.

I think this speaks to a larger issue with men in the real world. Specifically, how society expects the modern man to be a sweaty, weak-kneed manchild who is overly concerned with ruffling the feathers of people who have no business being covered in feathers in the first place. A mangina who knows in his sensitive, bleeding heart that violence doesn’t solve anything and killing the bad guy, be it serial killer, murdering terrorist or genocidal evil dictator, makes you just as bad as he is. War, man, what is it good for?

It would be awesome if that stuff were true, but it’s make believe. Sometimes the bad guys don’t stop being bad until they’re dead. Violence can and has solved lots of problems, and war, I’m sad to say, can serve a purpose -- like freeing an entire society, ending slavery or stopping a holocaust. And if you haven’t ruffled somebody’s feathers with something you’ve said, then you’ve never really said anything worthwhile in your life.

Rick Grimes, played by English actor Andrew Lincoln, is supposed to be the hero of

The Walking Dead
, but why? Because he’s a decent, sensitive man? Every decision Rick makes ends up with another member of their group injured or dead. Here come some spoilers: Merle, Carl, Otis, Sophia, Amy, Jim, Ed, and Jacqui have all died or nearly died as a direct result of actions Rick has taken in the show.

Meanwhile, Shane, played by Jon Bernthal, is the guy the show wants you to think is too unstable and violent. But he’s the reason every single character alive on the show is still alive. That includes Rick’s harpy wife, his slackjawed kid and even Rick himself. Shane actually kills Otis so that he can get away from a group of zombies to save Rick’s kid, who got shot in the chest in the first place (by Otis, no less) because Rick was an idiot.

The thing, of course, is that it’s a zombie show. People are going to be eaten once in a while, or you don’t have much of a show. Without hordes of cannibalistic zombies, gruesome kills and constant paranoid danger at every turn, you just have a show about a bunch of whiny, insipid white people sitting around on a farm, killing time between pharmacy trips by complaining about one other and shooting cans/logs as target practice. And, I mean, nobody wants that.

The problem, I think, is the writers’ societal conditioning. The way they were raised in this man-hating era is causing problems within the story. There’s no question that if there were really a zombie apocalypse (like the one I’ve been planning and preparing for my entire adult life), a Shane will keep you alive and a Rick will have a zombie picking pieces of you out of its teeth. Why should it take an apocalyptic scenario for a man with actual balls to have value? Why should cowardice and conformity be accepted as virtues?

Why would a guy who wants to calmly discuss the barn full of hungry zombies as if it’s some sort of zoning problem be a better leader than the guy who wants to kill them all immediately? I guess we’ll have to keep watching

The Walking Dead
to find out, but right now I’m not convinced.​

Quite frankly, that's how it should be, Rick possesses the ability to be the greatest leader possible BUT he just needs to flex out the traits. It'll happen, just like the way it did
when he shot the two guys
He is understanding that what has to be done, has to be done. Until he has mastered that technique, Shane is a better leader (Sorta the same in the comic, just not as long to get to the point).
 

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I understand why people say shane is a better leader (and mostly I agree) but after the farmhouse he clearly went to far without thinking twice
 

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Uuuuh, what do you guys think about this new episode?
I did not like it as much, Glen is just dumb and that really pissed me off. However, I like how the tension between Rick and Shane is building, there are so many episodes left before the next season so it should be interesting.
 

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Avoiding your spoiler at all costs, haven't had a chance to watch the latest episode. =D
 

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Uuuuh, what do you guys think about this new episode?
I did not like it as much, Glen is just dumb and that really pissed me off. However, I like how the tension between Rick and Shane is building, there are so many episodes left before the next season so it should be interesting.
'Twas alright. The huge "Rick is a badass" feel the previous one left me with kinda made this one feel not that great.


Also, regarding the article, it's true, Rick isn't a good leader for that kind of situation. But I wouldn't talk bad about the show because of that. It's about making a likeable main character, I wouldn't enjoy the show nearly as much as I do if the main character was the asshole that Shane is.
 
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the thing I liked the most on the last episode is the fact that everyone is trying to make Rick and Shane fight and no one is trying to make things work out
 

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the thing I liked the most on the last episode is the fact that everyone is trying to make Rick and Shane fight and no one is trying to make things work out

Well, I think they're drawing sides. They're basically at such a point of conflict that they can't just sit down and talk it out.

Also, this kinda feels like Twilight. I'm on Team Rick for sure. Kinda wish someone punched Shane in his ugly face and fix that fucking weird ass nose of his.
 
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yes I know...
It's just that they have countless zombies that want to eat them and a group of people that want to kill them and probably soon they'll find them.
I mean it's the apocalypse, you should try to work things out with people you know you can more or less trust...

then again if I was in that situation I'll probably let them fight and then stay with the winner (not just for self-preservation but also because I don't really think that either of them is completely right)
 
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Uuuuh, what do you guys think about this new episode?
I did not like it as much, Glen is just dumb and that really pissed me off. However, I like how the tension between Rick and Shane is building, there are so many episodes left before the next season so it should be interesting.
'Twas alright. The huge "Rick is a badass" feel the previous one left me with kinda made this one feel not that great.


Also, regarding the article, it's true, Rick isn't a good leader for that kind of situation. But I wouldn't talk bad about the show because of that. It's about making a likeable main character, I wouldn't enjoy the show nearly as much as I do if the main character was the asshole that Shane is.
Honestly if I was in a zombie apocalypse, I would stick with Rick. Shane would just kill me the second he considers me a liability.
 
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Honestly if I was a zombie apocalypse, I would stick with Rick. Shane would just kill me the second he considers me a liability.

My thoughts exactly. I think one could certainly learn some qualities from the other if they wanted to improve their chances of survival(and not get cast out of the group), but I would prefer to trust Rick than Shane.
 

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Uuuuh, what do you guys think about this new episode?
I did not like it as much, Glen is just dumb and that really pissed me off. However, I like how the tension between Rick and Shane is building, there are so many episodes left before the next season so it should be interesting.
'Twas alright. The huge "Rick is a badass" feel the previous one left me with kinda made this one feel not that great.


Also, regarding the article, it's true, Rick isn't a good leader for that kind of situation. But I wouldn't talk bad about the show because of that. It's about making a likeable main character, I wouldn't enjoy the show nearly as much as I do if the main character was the asshole that Shane is.
Honestly if I was in a zombie apocalypse, I would stick with Rick. Shane would just kill me the second he considers me a liability.
Agreed, Rick's a natural leader, while Shane is kind of an egotistic brute.
 

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About tonight's episode, March 4th, 2012:

Let's face it. The reason this episode was any good is that well...
Dale is dead
I mean, as much as I think he's a problem, I couldn't help feel bad/sad...
 

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I thought the episode was great before that. A lot of humanly traits came out of people and the ending was kind of like "that'll get you killed"
 
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Episode wasn't that bad but I really was sad at the end...
Believe it or not, I liked Dale, he was a good member but it is true, weakness in an apocalypse will get you killed.
 

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This episode was terrible... in a sad way.

I really wish Dale didn't have to die. He was super cool. I think that guy T-Dog or whatever his name is should have died cause I have yet to see a need for him whatsoever.
And don't get me started on Carl. Someone needs to kick him in the face and slap him around a few times :angry:
 
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This episode was terrible... in a sad way.

I really wish Dale didn't have to die. He was super cool. I think that guy T-Dog or whatever his name is should have died cause I have yet to see a need for him whatsoever.
And don't get me started on Carl. Someone needs to kick him in the face and slap him around a few times :angry:
T-Dog probably will die, but there was no need for it. Dale was the only one stuck with a mindset that wanted things to be as nice as they were before, as shown by him dying and crying when they were about to kill the kid. Him saying "this new world is all survival of the fittest" should've tipped me off that he was going to die and get slapped in the face about reality sooner or later.
 

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