WiiU Has Last Gen Radeon Inside

KingVamp · Jun 15, 2011

DeMoN said:
It might be the latest now, but when the Wii U is actually released it will be outdated like crap.

So this is pointless, and I agree with Foxi4 who says that all companies use the latest technology available.
QUOTE(Foxi4 @ Jun 14 2011, 03:10 PM) Yes, PS4 and the 720 will have "current-gen" GFX chips... in five years time, when they're no longer "current".

There isn't a company that uses the latest chips at their disposal in consoles or other electronics, the components are always tested for several years beforehand and they may not reach a certain maximum price tag to be included, otherwise your device would cost you more than a hardcore PC.

Am I misreading something?

One year doesn't really make it outdated...

edit: sleepy!

Side note... Not really a fan of computer gaming.

myuusmeow · Jun 15, 2011

4xxx series is 2 generations old. 5xxx came and gone and the 6xxx series is the current Radeon graphics.

Feels Good Man · Jun 15, 2011

Rydian said:
Sounds a little high to me, but I'll speculate as if it was true...

Foxi4 said:

It's silly to even compare the performance of said chip in PC's and in consoles - a console doesn't have to "carry" a buffy and resource-monging OS. It will use its raw power, and it will most likely be amazing to look at.

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This. Even when games do run under an "OS", it's often just a light "virtual" layer that can link back to the main OS if needed. Consoles have always been able to pump out way better visuals than PCs on the same hardware (I swear to god if anybody responds to this without paying attention to the italics I'm going to smack them), so I'm actually surprised to hear it's something that recent.

It'll likely not be clocked nearly as high (or have nearly as many shaders) as something like the 4870 (as mentioned heat is an issue), but what is there will hopefully be used properly. It's likely a recent chip so that some of the current technologies will be made useful. Directx 10 is more efficient then 9 for example (most people think otherwise because Crysis didn't actually have a DX10 mode, it just pushed DX10 shaders on top of DX9, making things slower and giving people a bad impression when they were able to hack the options to on (even though some of the DX10 effects didn't show up, they didn't notice them)), and with consoles it's all about efficiency. Each console has the exact same hardware so you don't need to program in a bunch of fallbacks, so you can use everything that's there properly... but it's a lower level than PCs so you need to be a bit more careful.

Pretty much.

This topic is going to go to hell soon with ignorant people soon enough >__>.

And I'm pretty sure this is still a rumour.

Nathan Drake · Jun 15, 2011

KingVamp said:
DeMoN said:

It might be the latest now, but when the Wii U is actually released it will be outdated like crap.

So this is pointless, and I agree with Foxi4 who says that all companies use the latest technology available.
QUOTE(Foxi4 @ Jun 14 2011, 03:10 PM) Yes, PS4 and the 720 will have "current-gen" GFX chips... in five years time, when they're no longer "current".

There isn't a company that uses the latest chips at their disposal in consoles or other electronics, the components are always tested for several years beforehand and they may not reach a certain maximum price tag to be included, otherwise your device would cost you more than a hardcore PC.

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Am I misreading something?

One year doesn't really make it outdated...

edit: sleepy!

Side note... Not really a fan of computer gaming.

In the computer world, yeah, one year is fairly outdated.

Guild McCommunist · Jun 15, 2011

They're probably choosing an older card to keep costs down. It's obvious they aren't trying to make the WiiU a technical marvel (as much as some fanboys may disagree), but they're trying to take a Wii approach. Whether that'll actually work is different.

Sop · Jun 15, 2011

And I bet the PS4 will have a GTX 590 and the new 12 core AMD CPU.

Valwin · Jun 15, 2011

Wii U 50% More Powerful than PS3 i hear so if it still old it still look fine

cwstjdenobs · Jun 15, 2011

People making the same old mistake of directly comparing PC and Console hardware. Just think about the sort of looks you'd get out of a game on the 360 compared to the same game on a PC with a graphics card that was pimping when DX9 was.

naved.islam14 · Jun 15, 2011

Is this good or bad?

Foxi4 · Jun 15, 2011

Sop said:
And I bet the PS4 will have a GTX 590 and the new 12 core AMD CPU.

Sure. Cause they're known to use NVidia and AMD chips in their machines. Been like this for years now.

QUOTE said:

Is this good or bad?

It's SUPRISINGLY good.

QUOTE said:

They're probably choosing an older card to keep costs down. It's obvious they aren't trying to make the WiiU a technical marvel (as much as some fanboys may disagree), but they're trying to take a Wii approach. Whether that'll actually work is different.

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*Beep* It actually IS a technological marvel. If the pricetag will be kept at the PS3 level, it's going to be an amazingly strong machine.

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People making the same old mistake of directly comparing PC and Console hardware. Just think about the sort of looks you'd get out of a game on the 360 compared to the same game on a PC with a graphics card that was pimping when DX9 was.

Yush. The comparison is moot, PC's and Consoles work on completely different "levels", a console will always push more power from the hardware than a PC.

DiscostewSM · Jun 15, 2011

People complained about the Wii not being graphically as powerful as the PS3 or X360. Now that they're going to release a console more powerful than both of those, the people complain that it isn't as graphically powerful as a PC.........

There's just no pleasing people these days.

Deleted member 473940 · Jun 15, 2011

DiscostewSM said:
People complained about the Wii not being graphically as powerful as the PS3 or X360. Now that they're going to release a console more powerful than both of those, the people complain that it isn't as graphically powerful as a PC.........

There's just no pleasing people these days.

Well, since there is no talk about the next gen of PS and Xbox specs yet, people are assuming they are going to be yet again a lot more powerful than big N's console.

We would have to wait and see

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Consoles cant ever compete with PC in terms of raw power..

Foxi4 · Jun 15, 2011

I personally believe that the WiiU is not built to compete with the PS4 and the NextBox. In my mind, I'm skipping the GameCube entirely as a console. Let's face it, the Wii was nothing more than a pimped-up GameCube with motion controls.

The WiiU is supposed to compete with the PS3 and the XBox360 throughout the next 3-4 years. Maybe 2, I don't expect anything big comming from Sony or Microsoft sooner than that - the PS3 and the 360 have just about enough resources to pull things off just fine.

In that respect, the WiiU will be (hopefuly + crosses fingers) quite amazing, and I'm definatelly rooting for it.

Arm73 · Jun 15, 2011

When I read the topic title, I interpreted " last gen " as in ' latest gen " lol....
Now I know what you mean, but I still think graphics will be more then adequate for today's gaming necessity.
Like I said, if the Wii would have been HD to begin with, and maybe just slighter more powerful ( to handle the higher res ) it would have had a longer life span.
The WiiU will look good on today's HD TVs, and that's what matters.

Deleted member 473940 · Jun 15, 2011

Foxi4 said:
I personally believe that the WiiU is not built to compete with the PS4 and the NextBox. In my mind, I'm skipping the GameCube entirely as a console. Let's face it, the Wii was nothing more than a pimped-up GameCube with motion controls.

The WiiU is supposed to compete with the PS3 and the XBox360 throughout the next 3-4 years. Maybe 2, I don't expect anything big comming from Sony or Microsoft sooner than that - the PS3 and the 360 have just about enough resources to pull things off just fine.

In that respect, the WiiU will be (hopefuly + crosses fingers) quite amazing, and I'm definatelly rooting for it.

Well yes, there wont be anything from Sony or Microsoft before 2 years AT LEAST.
Its more likely they would want to show their systems next year at E3?

In the next 2-3 years, The WiiU will be on top of PS3 and 360 in terms of hardware power, but then what? Its like to fall back when the next gen of PS and Xbox is released.
Its more likely that nintendo will aim a 5-8 years life span for the WiiU?

UranusKiller · Jun 16, 2011

Foxi4 said:
Why of course it's a last-gen chip, what'd you expect?

A current-gen chip would cost 75% of the final console's price, they have to go cheapo, but "well" performance-wise. It's silly to even compare the performance of said chip in PC's and in consoles - a console doesn't have to "carry" a buffy and resource-monging OS. It will use its raw power, and it will most likely be amazing to look at.

This guy is true, if they were going to use a new series chip from AMD, like a 6000 series chip, the Wii U would end up costing £400+, since the graphics card (based on PC) are over £200 for the likes of a HD6970.

Either-way, the R700 by ATI family is a very good last gen core, (fair enough it's a 2008 based core) but still .....they wiped the floor with NVIDIA's higher priced and more power hungry cards from those years like the 8800GTX Ultra/GTX260/GTX280 etc. The console will be 4 years out-dated when it arrives, but for the price+possible performance, it will be fantastic for around probably i'm guessing £220-250?! So hopefully the core chip has some serious modifications done to it, which i'm guessing AMD have done.

Regarding the video memory i'm assuming it will use ultra fast GDDR5 and mostly be a HD4850 v 4890 result as those are the R700 families top cards. The video memory has to be a minimum of 512MB, but from what i gather and expect from knowledge it would need to be 1GB if they want to run high resolutions not silly low res + CPU upscaling. Not only that it will probably support a minimum of 4-8XAA/QSAA and perhaps x8 and in some games x16 Anisotropic filtering. Not only that the video memory is having to output the video, process the video, scale it. Handle all textures/filtering/shadows etc so anything less than 1GB could cause problems and it would be bottlenecking itself. I would expect all games to run at 60+fps, and not suffer like the PS3's 30fps aswell as the 360's changeable 30 - 60fps. The hardware will definitely be capable of it, so hopefully developers are assigned to optimize the game to a extreme extent to impress Nintendo and it's users!

My worries:
I hope the GPU chip is a "heavily" modified HD4850 or HD4890 with atleast 512 - 1GB of GDDR3 or GDDR5 ram. It's bound to be based on the 4850 since that's the average ATI R700 family chip, which is on par to a NVIDIA 9800GTX. Eitherway the GPU chip will be 4 years behind PC, although it's still kinda powerful.

What worries me is the resolution, hope resolutions are at the correct value, i don't want rubbish upscaled 1000x600 and the likes which most PS3/360's use.

The specifications are still sounding quite impressive, especially since it's a console mainly to run one thing! Games with a few small services running. I will definitely purchase one.

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