Gaming Raw power of the NGP

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its the same GPU and CPU as the next iphone except Quad cores setup in both CPU and GPU instead of dual cores. It also suppose to have 512mb + 128 mb of dedicated vram(this part is not yet 100% confirmed). I believe John Carmack said, by the time when cel phones or tablets reach the same hardware level as the NGP, the NGP performance will still be a generation above them because of the low level API access.

edit: forgot to say that the GPU does MSAA with tiny impact on the performance, that is one of the key feature of the GPU according to IMG. They are also the one that made the Dreamcast GPU.
 

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ChaosZero816 said:
Foxi4 said:
If you really want to discuss how much "power" the NGP has, just lift it up when you can finally buy one and scream "I HAVE THE POWER!".

If you will not turn into He-Man while holding this Quad-Core beast with a Quad-Core GPU that runs pretty much anything ever made for consoles (downscaled, of course, because you DON'T need massive HD graphics on a handheld - it's a matter of saving space and removing/reducing files that you won't be able to gaze upon anyways on a small screen. Smaller filesize - cheaper flash units to store it) at lighting speed despite the fact it fits in your pocket, then something is wrong with the universe.

The moment this happens, Nintendo is screwed. NGP owners would pawn all 3DS/Nintendo console owners.
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It won't fail. Nintendo has a ton of fanboys and some 'popular' first party titles like pokemon or zelda. Definitely it will still sell well even after the NGP is out.

Casual players like me will buy both depending on the reviews on the consoles and the upcoming games. (please do not say that I'm a pathetic ninty fanboy just because of my avatar).
 

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Emulation up to and including the fifth generation of video game consoles (PS1, N64, etc) will definitely happen. The sixth generation will probably be possible too (PS2, Gamecube, XBox, etc.) But of course nothing later.

Saying that thought it is only if it gets hacked, and with the PSN incident, security will be much, much higher. I doubt it will be hacked, and if it does, it won't be for a long while, anyway.
 

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I give it at least 1 1/2 years to it being hacked. PSN security breach should already 'scared the wits' out of sony and they should impose far higher security standards on their next possible consoles.
 

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Erdnaxela said:
ChaosZero816 said:
The moment this happens, Nintendo is screwed.
Well, nintendo can't really be screwed, thanks to their fan and.... pokémon!



chris888222 said:
ChaosZero816 said:
QUOTE(Foxi4 @ Apr 22 2011, 10:55 PM)
If you really want to discuss how much "power" the NGP has, just lift it up when you can finally buy one and scream "I HAVE THE POWER!".

If you will not turn into He-Man while holding this Quad-Core beast with a Quad-Core GPU that runs pretty much anything ever made for consoles (downscaled, of course, because you DON'T need massive HD graphics on a handheld - it's a matter of saving space and removing/reducing files that you won't be able to gaze upon anyways on a small screen. Smaller filesize - cheaper flash units to store it) at lighting speed despite the fact it fits in your pocket, then something is wrong with the universe.

The moment this happens, Nintendo is screwed. NGP owners would pawn all 3DS/Nintendo console owners.
rofl.gif
It won't fail. Nintendo has a ton of fanboys and some 'popular' first party titles like pokemon or zelda. Definitely it will still sell well even after the NGP is out.

Casual players like me will buy both depending on the reviews on the consoles and the upcoming games. (please do not say that I'm a pathetic ninty fanboy just because of my avatar).

I was talking about the He-man part.
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But I agree what you both said. Ninty is the company that brought gaming to us all and I'm sure they will continue pleasing everyone.(Well, mostly
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machomuu said:
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I'd say everything up to the point of N64 (and possibly the DS) is given. I'm not sure about PS2 but it'll be nice to have.
If the 3DS overpowers the PS2, I'm pretty sure the NGP will as well.


But 3DS isn't more powerful than PS2.

QUOTE(jeroen80 @ Jun 4 2011, 04:06 PM)
Maybe it is already posted here but how much will the NGP cost
I hope it will be under 300 euro

I expect the same price as the PSP at the beggining.
 

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Juanmatron said:
machomuu said:
death1234 said:
I'd say everything up to the point of N64 (and possibly the DS) is given. I'm not sure about PS2 but it'll be nice to have.
If the 3DS overpowers the PS2, I'm pretty sure the NGP will as well.

But 3DS isn't more powerful than PS2.

It is slightly less powerful than the PS2.
Also, just because something has more power doesn't mean it can emulate it. The DS has more power than the GBA, but it can't run GBA roms.
 

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NES SNES V.B. N64 G.C. Wii said:
Juanmatron said:
machomuu said:
death1234 said:
I'd say everything up to the point of N64 (and possibly the DS) is given. I'm not sure about PS2 but it'll be nice to have.
If the 3DS overpowers the PS2, I'm pretty sure the NGP will as well.

But 3DS isn't more powerful than PS2.

It is slightly less powerful than the PS2.
Also, just because something has more power doesn't mean it can emulate it. The DS has more power than the GBA, but it can't run GBA roms.
No, the 3DS beats the PS2. And it pretty much does depend on power, DS just didn't have enough.
 

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Sop said:
No, the 3DS beats the PS2. And it pretty much does depend on power, DS just didn't have enough.
I can't say for the cpu but for the graphics, I disagree.

CPU:
PS2: EE( 64 bit MIPS R5900 + FPU coprocessor) 294 Mhz + Vector unit x2 @ 147 Mhz (6.2 Gflops combined)
32 MB ram
3DS: RISC ARM 11 x2 @ 266Mhz (? flops)
128 MB ram

The two processor architecture are so different that they can't be compared simply by the Mhz or the number of cores, what could give a good indication would be the floating point operation per second (flops) however, I wasn't able to find it for the 3ds.

GPU:
PS2: Graphics Synthesizer @ 147 Mhz
4 MB VRAM 2 350 Mpixels/second 75 Mpolygons/second
3DS: PICA 200 @ 133 Mhz
4 MB VRAM 800 Mpixels/second 15 Mpolygons/second ( performance rated at 200Mhz)

For the 3ds gpu performance, I took the raw ones from the pica 200 specification, you have to consider that the 3d effect will cut the actual performance of the chip by more than 50%.

just for fun:
psp gpu
111-166 mhz, 2MB vram 664 Mpixels/second 33 Mpolygons/second

sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2
http://www.kickoffworld.net/wikickoff/inde...e=PlayStation_2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_3DS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PICA200
http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/09/22/ninte...s-specs-leaked/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psp
 

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Would be mighty impressive if it could emulate DS titles at 100%.... I'm not expecting PS2/GC/Xbox though, but would be very pleased with the DS and everything under that.
 

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The PSP can emulate some N64 games pretty well and has a slow but functioning DS emulator (which is mighty impressive). Given that the Vita is orders of magnitude more powerful than the PSP, I have a hunch it could do justice for DS emulation . That's assuming the platform is ever homebrewed, of course.
 

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Snailface said:
The PSP can emulate some N64 games pretty well and has a slow but functioning DS emulator (which is mighty impressive). Given that the Vita is orders of magnitude more powerful than the PSP, I have a hunch it could do justice for DS emulation . That's assuming the platform is ever homebrewed, of course.

I'm buying the PSV in a heartbeat then. Can't wait to emulate the DS, Mario Kart DS is freaking awesome
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PSV has a touchscreen so that's a big plus when emulating DS. Too bad screen dimensions will have to be a bit scaled.
 

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I wonder how for DS emulation. It is possible, but how? Dual screen...

Unless you hold it portrait...?
 

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