Hacking What do you think will happen to your 3DS

RNorthex · May 23, 2011

it's going to divide itself by 0

srsly though, my toughest guess is that they block online game features[which i agree with, cuz there are a lot of cheaters, even though i might risk being blocked while playing fair]

mrratburn · May 23, 2011

Listen,

Nintendo WILL NOT brick your system. Historically they have never done that, at least intentionally. Now that we have that scratched off, let's look at Nintendo's past by comparing to what they did to the Wii. The only times that you were not able to access the Wii Shop was when your version of it was not updated because you were running a lower firmware on your Wii (for homebrew/piracy reasons). They never blocked your console from the internet or banned it because of one simple fact: NINTENDO DOES NOT HAVE AN ONLINE SERVICE. There is no Nintendo "PlayStation Network" or "Xbox LIVE" type service where Ninty has direct control of the online. Rather, on the Wii, as is the 3DS, the online functionality is independent of the console itself and works only off of the specific game. There are no "Nintendo Network" servers that feed anything other than system-update type stuff. In other words, Ninty has no direct effect on the online functionality of their consoles as it depends only on the games. So to sum it all up, NINTENDO WILL DO NOTHING BECAUSE THEY CAN DO NOTHING, even if they actually can detect a flashcart. Again, before you start trolling, realize that this is based on Nintendo's online history with the Wii and DS, but the 3DS is not at all different with the exception that there is a rumor that the use of flashcarts can be detected by Nintendo.

Glad I got that off my chest

machomuu · May 23, 2011

chris888222 said:
No online = why get a 3DS!?

lol, online just really adds to the fun.

Because it's Nintendo and they have alot of fun singleplayer games, hence why I use my Wii and DS so much.

DryYoshi · May 23, 2011

Dylaan said:
This?
[youtube]VGLMVOMqIGA[/youtube]

That video is awesome xD (I subscribed to RoosterTeeth)
But I read somewhere that they said themselves that they're gonna block some stuff.

s4mid4re · May 23, 2011

chris888222 said:
s4mid4re said:

I think you should add "disable flashcarts" on the second portion of the poll.

Click to expand...

I think that's obvious.

Also, I'm talking about what would Ninty do to the system. nothing to do with the flashcart

Oh okay.

I don't think they will do anything as to disabling certain features since they can't take our rights away.
The most they will probably do is threaten us that they will/can do something or make up some bs that flashcarts can cause malfunctioning on the system - which is pretty much what they're doing right now.

The other possibility is to make flashcarts totally illegal, which I don't think will be much of a problem unless the dev teams are arrested or something.

tueidj · May 24, 2011

mrratburn said:
Nintendo WILL NOT brick your system. Historically they have never done that, at least intentionally. Now that we have that scratched off, let's look at Nintendo's past by comparing to what they did to the Wii. The only times that you were not able to access the Wii Shop was when your version of it was not updated because you were running a lower firmware on your Wii (for homebrew/piracy reasons). They never blocked your console from the internet or banned it because of one simple fact: NINTENDO DOES NOT HAVE AN ONLINE SERVICE. There is no Nintendo "PlayStation Network" or "Xbox LIVE" type service where Ninty has direct control of the online. Rather, on the Wii, as is the 3DS, the online functionality is independent of the console itself and works only off of the specific game. There are no "Nintendo Network" servers that feed anything other than system-update type stuff. In other words, Ninty has no direct effect on the online functionality of their consoles as it depends only on the games. So to sum it all up, NINTENDO WILL DO NOTHING BECAUSE THEY CAN DO NOTHING, even if they actually can detect a flashcart. Again, before you start trolling, realize that this is based on Nintendo's online history with the Wii and DS, but the 3DS is not at all different with the exception that there is a rumor that the use of flashcarts can be detected by Nintendo.

Wrong on both accounts:
* Nintendo bricked Korean wiis that had been region changed when they updated to 4.2/4.3. This was intentional and is accepted as fact by people who properly know how the wii works.
* EVERY ONLINE WII GAME connects to Nintendo's servers (known as "Nintendo Wi-Fi Connection"). They don't all use it for their actual online content, but they do have to register when they switch to online mode. If these servers went down or started sending back negative acknowledgements, online services would cease to function.

Toader · May 24, 2011

I think Nintendo won't do anything about DS mode piracy. If you think about it's stupid because why would Nintendo brick or ban your 3DS for playing pirated DS games. It's like if your Wii would be bricked for playing pirated Gamecube games. I think all new piracy warnings on the 3DS are for 3DS mode hacks and exploits that are found in the future not for regular DS which will probably be dead in a year or two.

shawnanastasio · May 24, 2011

tueidj said:
Wrong on both accounts:
* Nintendo bricked Korean wiis that had been region changed when they updated to 4.2/4.3. This was intentional and is accepted as fact by people who properly know how the wii works.

This is true, but nintendo got away with that by saying that it was unintentional and was due to the "unauthorized technical modification" which they were not responsible for.

tueidj · May 24, 2011

I didn't see that statement reported anywhere, or even any reports that anyone was challenging their legal right to render the user's console unusable.
The only reason it was due to the "unauthorized technical modification" is because they put code there to detect it!

Slynk · May 24, 2011

tueidj said:
I didn't see that statement reported anywhere, or even any reports that anyone was challenging their legal right to render the user's console unusable.
The only reason it was due to the "unauthorized technical modification" is because they put code there to detect it!

Korea doesn't necessarily have consumer protection laws

chris888222 · May 24, 2011

mrratburn said:
Listen,

Nintendo WILL NOT brick your system. Historically they have never done that, at least intentionally. Now that we have that scratched off, let's look at Nintendo's past by comparing to what they did to the Wii. The only times that you were not able to access the Wii Shop was when your version of it was not updated because you were running a lower firmware on your Wii (for homebrew/piracy reasons). They never blocked your console from the internet or banned it because of one simple fact: NINTENDO DOES NOT HAVE AN ONLINE SERVICE. There is no Nintendo "PlayStation Network" or "Xbox LIVE" type service where Ninty has direct control of the online. Rather, on the Wii, as is the 3DS, the online functionality is independent of the console itself and works only off of the specific game. There are no "Nintendo Network" servers that feed anything other than system-update type stuff. In other words, Ninty has no direct effect on the online functionality of their consoles as it depends only on the games. So to sum it all up, NINTENDO WILL DO NOTHING BECAUSE THEY CAN DO NOTHING, even if they actually can detect a flashcart. Again, before you start trolling, realize that this is based on Nintendo's online history with the Wii and DS, but the 3DS is not at all different with the exception that there is a rumor that the use of flashcarts can be detected by Nintendo.

Glad I got that off my chest

Hate to rain on your parade, but how about Nintendo Wi-Fi connection?

DS/3DS games use the 'Nintendo Wi-Fi connection' network for online including co-op play.

leeday100196 · May 24, 2011

Nothing. In the long run, Ninty ~~wouldn't~~ can't brick our systems without getting sued massively.

Taleweaver · May 24, 2011

Is it too late to ask for a "passive aggressive" option between the 'yes' and the 'no'? Because that's what I think will happen. Once a hack is released, nintendo will follow up with a patch, and if possible change the things that the 3DS relies . If possible, they'll want to make it so updating a virgin 3DS is perfectly safe but using outdated guides or exploits will be a death trap (Waninkoko's 4.2 updater, anyone?).

I don't see my option in the 'no' department either. Why would nintendo want to block the online stuff? It just makes no sense. I can barely imagine how stupid things would be at nintendo:
person 1: hey, this guy is updating his 3DS, and it shows he's using a flashcart. Shall we send him our stub firmware?
person 2: naah. He'll just sue us to get a new 3DS. And most likely do exactly the same thing. Just send him the regular one. That'll stop flashcarts as well.
person 1: last time, it took less than 2 days before most carts got around our "solution". Why would things be different now?
person 2: this time, we're blocking them from the e-shop!!! Muhahaha...

person 1: ...you DO realise the irony of trying to deny a pirate access to a shop where you can BUY games, right?
person 2: I don't follow.
person 1: ...let's just say he will try to get the content in another way. *sarcasm* An illegal way, no less!
person 2: hmm...good point. Oh, I know: we'll make him into a social paria by blocking streetpass.
person 1: *slowly speaking* but that WON'T make him stop pirating games. Which is the reason why he bought it in the first place.
person 2: that's exactly the problem: he bought it to pirate it. There is just no way to get him to stop doing that.
person 1: yes, there is. Just nuke his ass. What's the point of spreading all these rumors of us legally being allowed to brick pirates if we're not going to DO it?
person 2: that's just a smokescreen. In reality, we just have to suck up the liberties of the people to pirate whatever the hell they feel like. We can't even properly have flashcarts banned.

person 1: so...if not that...what ARE we going to do?
person 2: we're just going to annoy people at forums by releasing half-assed fixes

No...if they can detect you have a flashcart, they will block it as hard as they can (I doubt it'll be with bricking the thing, especially directly before E3, but I wouldn't rule it out). But nintendo won't disable your online service. At best, it'll be the only option for consumers to keep their stuff working.

On another note: which of you "OMG sue them!!!!!!" guys actually visit the wii part of this forum? There are brick or near-brick reports coming in almost every other day, but thus far, none of those got even close to suing nintendo. The reason: it's always because of user error. It's one thing to defend your right to do with your 3DS what you want, but you can hardly blame nintendo for you fucking up things nintendo don't want you fiddling with to begin with.

totalnoob617 · May 24, 2011

the only time that ninty was successful at fighting piracy was back when they sued bung enterprises,the makers of backup units for the snes and the n64 and there were still other companies making the backup consoles for snes and even for n64 like mr.backup ,i think that was the one that used zip discs ,but the game doctor by bung was the most popular,i am not sure why they were successful there it might be because even though the company was located in china ,it was in HK which i think at the time was under british rule ,and therefor british law,but im not sure ,and i dont why they wouldnt just go to another city ,i mean chine is huge ,if they were making that much money why not?

there is really not point in them blocking or banning for ds flashcards,and i think thehy will do nothing
i mean i would like to think they dont care about ds games now ,but then again, how many phucking times are they going to try and charge us for their old ass 8 bit and 16but games?
they did it on the wii and now they are going to do it again on the 3ds ,there such hebes, they wouldnt even let you buy a game on the wii shop and then have the rights to it so you can transfer it to the 3ds,now that is just being cheap and greedy and grimy
i mean they know that most of the people that buy those games do it because of nostalgia
people who owned th original 8 or 16 bit cart or still do
so they end up paying for it 5 times over, the same dam game
its like buying a cd and having to pay everytime you want to listen to it on a different stereo
in your car in your bedroom in your kitchen in your discman (lol i know)but you get the idea
i would have used mp3 ipod analogy but who pays for music anymore

then there is the point someone made here before that games in china cost as much as they do in the west and the chinese dont buy consoles unless they allow piracy cause most of the country people cant afford a 240$ console and 40$ for 1 game,and given that china accounts for like potentially over 1/4 the sales on the planet ,it is really more profitable for their consoles to allow piracy in the long run(not for the developers though,just the HW manufacturers)
they said that sales of the ds went up like 5000% in china after flashcards came out because the chinese or a good majority of the country cant afford a 250$ (US )system and then 40$(US) for every game,so they only buy the systems that are hacked for piracy ,that is if the system uses media that cant be counterfeited from day 1 like optical media can ,because systems like ps3 and xbox have their games counterfeited over there from day one and being sold on the streets of HK for pennies on the $
cart based systems are not profitable enough for the games to be counterfeited,at least not right away

zanfire · May 24, 2011

My Wii and DS (and psp) are all modded/use flash cards. As far as nintendo's stuff, i don't know anyone who had any issue with anything online or local co-op. Ive played stuff like monster hunter tri on wii and phantasy star on DS over "nintendo wi-fi" and never even thought about them blocking it.

Maybe its just there severe lack of care for online anything, it seems like they dont even pay attention to it in the first place. In the end people find ways around it, and im certain at some point they will find a way around this system. Like we have seen with the PSN crazyness....hacking anything is very possible....even things you thought were next to impossible.

Abernus · May 24, 2011

I don't think they will brik the machine and at the most I think all they will do is stop you login in to the on-line content and shop. I think is the route Sony took with the PSP if you used a Pandora battery.

zanfire · May 24, 2011

@Abernus

The thing with PSP was in order to log in it made you update to the latest firmware.....and CFW was usually behind on the offical firmware, but had ways around the games that required more up to date firmwares.

Also as for playing online, like i said with my Wii and DS, its possible to go online, i did it with socom and phantasy star portable 2, so even that people have found ways around.

Demonstryde · Jun 1, 2011

im gonna keep playing my acekard2i and no it wont be bricked they will patch out the cart.....der.if they bricked my 3ds for using flashcart i wont be able to give them another 200$+ like i did with my DSi even though i used flashcart i still payed for shovelware and a system.

hyakunen · Jun 1, 2011

No

You can't get any rare item in any game.
Alway get critical hit from monster. XD

ProtoKnux · Jun 1, 2011

I gonna choose disable all online features except Streetpass.

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