NO WAI!macgeek417 said:4chan is currently DDoSing Sony.
It doesn't matter. Sony has way too much power.
Anonymous lost against WBC. Do you think they can do anything to Sony?
NO WAI!macgeek417 said:4chan is currently DDoSing Sony.
Fixed it for ya...macgeek417 said:4chan is currently driving a large, but manageable, volume of traffic to Sony.
Well, it's all they can do really. That and protests. But in all honesty, who gives two fucks? Sony sure as hell won't.BobTheJoeBob said:I don't know what they expect to achieve by doing this, seems pointless. DDoSing a Sony site isn't really going to do much.
How would you define civil? Sony’s way? People without the money to pay legal fees should just shut up and obey corporations.Guild McCommunist said:OH NO, NOT ANONYMOUS! [/sarcasm]ShadowSoldier said:I will bet you anything that I'm not the only one who typed 4chantards to see if you were lying. That's awesome.
But seriously though, if this is the group that backed up Wikileaks, then by all means, I support them. Well, I support Anonymous either way no matter who it is behind it. Curious as to what will happen though if it is the "dangerous" Anonymous that the media talks about.
Well the media often don't know anything about the internet so most of those stories on the Anonymous and 4chan and what not are often poorly informed and wrong.
I just feel like the Anonymous are more of a joke than something anyone cares about.
Do you honestly think the media can’t figure out what the internet is? May I remind you that 10 year olds can? The media only lets you think what they want you to think.
Off topic: There are a few corporations that control the media. There are only five:
General Electric, Time Warner, Walt Disney, News Corp, and Viacom. They control television, newspapers, and radio.
Would you ever hear about corporate crimes on tv? Of course not! That would make you wonder, or actually think. They may sometimes rat on one another, but not if they are all doing similar crimes.
Those in power work very hard to make you believe that you are powerless, when in fact that is just not true. Take for example the totalitarian governments that are being overthrown today.Slyakin said:I don't know about this. What can a bunch of 4Chan-ers do to a giant company like Sony? Sure, maybe Anonymous has quantity, but Sony has the force of the law backing them up.
That is actually not true. Sony has not won the case, yet you are led to believe that Sony's actions are just because they are suing. The law doesn’t back it up, but its money does. Sony imposes fear by threatening those opposing it with lawsuits, even if those opposing the company do so legally. To the individual lawsuits are incredibly expensive, but to corporations… well, this is a “normal” process as it is expected in the corporate world.
NO WAI!Guild McCommunist said:4chan is currently DDoSing Sony.Berthenk said:There's only one Anonymous and you seriously don't want to mess with them. Be it a company or an individual.
Really, they just vandalize or threaten people. If anything it'll just draw bad attention to people who support Geohot. If anything, the Anonymous will just draw bad publicity to what the public views as "hackers" and Sony would get more support.
Do you think the way Sony threatens its consumers is rightfully justified?
p.s. – I don’t think I am “bad” attention, but you may think so.
QUOTE(macgeek417 @ Apr 4 2011, 11:30 AM)twiztidsinz said:They're going to take down Sony like they took down Scientology, right?
....'cuz Scientology got taken down, right?
It is not about taking down a giant corporation. This is about standing up for something and making people hear your voice.
For example, do you think that the civil rights demonstrations held during 1960s did anything to bring down racism in the US? It was just a dream and they didn’t expect that much. Ultimately, it was Dr. King’s assassination that influenced Congress to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1968.
Another example can be gay rights. There aren’t that many LGBs, but their voices can be heard.
The main point is that is does not matter whether you are able to single handedly take down a multi-billion dollar corporation, or a racist society against you, it is about standing up for something you believe is right.
QUOTE(Slyakin @ Apr 4 2011, 07:33 AM)
It doesn't matter. Sony has way too much power.
Anonymous lost against WBC. Do you think they can do anything to Sony?
In the US, Bush had the lowest approval ratings in the history, but he still remained in power. You know why? Because most US citizens believed nothing could be done. Most people forget that a government is there to serve the people, not itself.
QUOTE(TDWP FTW @ Apr 4 2011, 08:05 AM)
I mean really, a DDoS here and there isn't going to do jackshit to Sony. If they actually wanted to get something done, they should do it in a more civil way.
Oh wait.../b/tards, civil? I clearly didn't think that sentence through.
Well... I'd define civil as 'not being childish and throwing tantrums'.Sephxus said:How would you define civil? Sony’s way? People without the money to pay legal fees should just shut up and obey corporations.Slyakin said:I don't know about this. What can a bunch of 4Chan-ers do to a giant company like Sony? Sure, maybe Anonymous has quantity, but Sony has the force of the law backing them up.
That is actually not true. Sony has not won the case, yet you are led to believe that Sony's actions are just because they are suing. The law doesn’t back it up, but its money does. Sony imposes fear by threatening those opposing it with lawsuits, even if those opposing the company do so legally. To the individual lawsuits are incredibly expensive, but to corporations… well, this is a “normal” process as it is expected in the corporate world. I think he meant the law is on the side of Sony when it comes to DDOS attacks and the like, which is very much true.
OH NO, NOT ANONYMOUS! [/sarcasm]Berthenk said:There's only one Anonymous and you seriously don't want to mess with them. Be it a company or an individual.Or what? They'll fap at you with their dickgirl porn?
Anonymous is a fucking joke and a half. See: Scientology and Westbro Baptist Church.
QUOTE(TDWP FTW @ Apr 4 2011, 08:05 AM)Sephxus said:As a democrat, I think Bush was the stronger choice over John Kerry.twiztidsinz said:They're going to take down Sony like they took down Scientology, right?
....'cuz Scientology got taken down, right?
It is not about taking down a giant corporation. This is about standing up for something and making people hear your voice.
For example, do you think that the civil rights demonstrations held during 1960s did anything to bring down racism in the US? It was just a dream and they didn’t expect that much. Ultimately, it was Dr. King’s assassination that influenced Congress to pass the Civil Rights Act of 1968.
Another example can be gay rights. There aren’t that many LGBs, but their voices can be heard.
The main point is that is does not matter whether you are able to single handedly take down a multi-billion dollar corporation, or a racist society against you, it is about standing up for something you believe is right.100% agree with your point.
100% disagree with your comparison.
Anonymous is the digital equivalent to thugs, but with the mentality of a child. Their actions amount to little more than tantrums that eventually blow over once their ADHD addled minds wander off to the next source of 'lulz'.
Those in power work very hard to make you believe that you are powerless, when in fact that is just not true. Take for example the totalitarian governments that are being overthrown today.Sephxus said:NO WAI!Slyakin said:QUOTE(macgeek417 @ Apr 4 2011, 11:30 AM) 4chan is currently DDoSing Sony.
It doesn't matter. Sony has way too much power.
Anonymous lost against WBC. Do you think they can do anything to Sony?
In the US, Bush had the lowest approval ratings in the history, but he still remained in power. You know why? Because most US citizens believed nothing could be done. Most people forget that a government is there to serve the people, not itself.
While I would have loved to see Bush out of office after his first term, Kerry just wasn't the right choice.
It wasn't a matter of 'nothing could be done', it was a matter of 'what they would do'.
QUOTE(Sephxus @ Apr 4 2011, 02:36 PM)
I mean really, a DDoS here and there isn't going to do jackshit to Sony. If they actually wanted to get something done, they should do it in a more civil way.
Oh wait.../b/tards, civil? I clearly didn't think that sentence through.
Sephxus said:Do you honestly think the media can’t figure out what the internet is? May I remind you that 10 year olds can? The media only lets you think what they want you to think.Guild McCommunist said:ShadowSoldier said:I will bet you anything that I'm not the only one who typed 4chantards to see if you were lying. That's awesome.
But seriously though, if this is the group that backed up Wikileaks, then by all means, I support them. Well, I support Anonymous either way no matter who it is behind it. Curious as to what will happen though if it is the "dangerous" Anonymous that the media talks about.
Well the media often don't know anything about the internet so most of those stories on the Anonymous and 4chan and what not are often poorly informed and wrong.
I just feel like the Anonymous are more of a joke than something anyone cares about.
Sephxus said:@Guild McCommunist
I don't mean to offend you, I don't care if gets old. The fact is that millions of people are dying because of corporations in general. Why do you support them? If you do that is.
Corporations take advantage of the less fortunate.
Guild McCommunist said:Sephxus said:@Guild McCommunist
I don't mean to offend you, I don't care if gets old. The fact is that millions of people are dying because of corporations in general. Why do you support them? If you do that is.
Corporations take advantage of the less fortunate.
I don't support corporations but complaining on an internet gaming forum about it won't do anything at all.
They certainly take advantage of people but they still essentially make our world. We rely on them as much as they rely on us. Without us, they won't get any cash. Without them, we won't get our basic necessities. It's not a good situation but that's what it is.
Sephxus said:We actually do not need corporations, they were enforced upon us. Corporations are relative new. Even the founder of capitalism, Adam Smith, opposed to them.
Perhaps you should, you know read books (that provide evidence) about current world issues, instead of basing everything on what you think. I could just say that is actually not true in every reply, but it would get old soon.Guild McCommunist said:Sephxus said:We actually do not need corporations, they were enforced upon us. Corporations are relative new. Even the founder of capitalism, Adam Smith, opposed to them.
Yeah we didn't need corporations maybe 100 years ago (if that's what you consider "relatively new"). But at this time in history they're so deeply rooted in our lives that if we were to just make them go "poof" one day then we should basically all just hang ourselves and get it over with.
I hate the corporations rules and I certainly don't like them, but I can't just quit the game if you know what I mean.
Sephxus said:Perhaps you should, you know read books (that provide evidence) about current world issues, instead of basing everything on what you think. I could just say that is actually not true in every reply, but it would get old soon.Guild McCommunist said:Sephxus said:We actually do not need corporations, they were enforced upon us. Corporations are relative new. Even the founder of capitalism, Adam Smith, opposed to them.
Yeah we didn't need corporations maybe 100 years ago (if that's what you consider "relatively new"). But at this time in history they're so deeply rooted in our lives that if we were to just make them go "poof" one day then we should basically all just hang ourselves and get it over with.
I hate the corporations rules and I certainly don't like them, but I can't just quit the game if you know what I mean.
EX. What is the difference between food production by corporation and farmer? What you think may differ greatly from the actual truth.