Gaming Wanna buy a new computer

jarejare3 · Dec 15, 2010

Y05h1 said:
Berthenk said:

Let's hope it works now...
Wishlist for the computer. Also, please tell me if I forgot something.
Also, doesn't have a monitor.

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I'd throw in a CPU cooler as well (Scythe Mugen 2 rev.B), and I'd personally switch to Corsair RAM. I've heard bad things about Kingston RAM lately... other than that, I would have recommended a very similar build

well it would work fine without the cooler and the ram though. Just need a good monitor. Buy this.
Edit: nice find man.

Deleted User · Dec 15, 2010

you forgot windows 7 64 bit and a cpu cooler because the boxed ones suck

€dit: Whats the latency of this ram? It is best to just take the cheapest ddr3 1600 cl7 ram with cooling covers.
the lower cl the better it is

Berthenk · Dec 15, 2010

ollepoll said:
you forgot windows 7 64 bit and a cpu cooler because the boxed ones suck

€dit: Whats the latency of this ram? It is best to just take the cheapest ddr3 1600 cl7 ram with cooling covers.
the lower cl the better it is

You won't notice the latency if you're not using your computer primarily for benchmarks.
A better cooler could be a good idea, yes, but I wouldn't know which one to choose.
Have had my 4GB Kingston DDR3 1333 mhz RAM since early this year and it's still working fine.

The difference between 32 and 64 bit is that a 64 bit OS can use more than 3,25 GB (something near that) of RAM. A 32 bit OS can't use more than that.

Originality · Dec 15, 2010

Some recommend getting the cheapest RAM you can find, because the difference between it and the most expensive RAM is negligable. 1333 Mhz RAM is fine for anything. 1600 Mhz RAM is better if you're overclocking (because the RAM will be underclocked to overclock the CPU) but you still won't see any real difference in performance.

Lazy and partially inaccurate description: 64 bit processing means passing instructions that are 64 bits long instead of 32 bits through the CPU. In some cases it means more efficient processing (because instructions are handled in fewer clock cycles), but that only actually happens if the code is programmed for it. Many games will still run in 32bit, no matter if the OS is 32 or 64bit. Aside from that, the main advantage to 64bit OSs is the use of 4GB of RAM or more (and in a Core i7 system, you're usually looking at 6GB).

Y05h1 · Dec 15, 2010

If I remember correctly, the people who were complaining about Kingston RAM were overclocking enthusiasts

So I guess that doesn't apply here... yup, Kingston is fine. As for cheapest... well, as long as it's a known brand. Smaller brand names might have poorer quality RAM, and the lower price would be somewhat suspicious... the reason Kingston sells it for so cheap is because they can buy it in bulk (economies of scale).

A CPU cooler is a good idea if you do anything that's processor intensive. Like playing games. The stock cooler will manage somewhat, but at higher loads it will start getting hotter, and stock coolers can be noisier as well. The reason you would want it cooler is for performance. A higher temperature = higher resistance = slower computing. With a nice i7 processor, you really want to get everything you can out of it (plus, if you ever do choose to overclock, you're going to need the cooler).

This is the one I'm recommending (one of the best on the market, with a great price tag):
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/248921/scyt...en-2-rev-b.html

I'd also look around at other computer cases. I'm not saying Berthenk recommended a bad case, on the contrary, it's one of the best valued ones you will find, but everyone has different tastes when it comes to the design. It might seem like a trivial matter, but remember, you're going to look at it everyday... make sure you like the look of it

Cooler Master still recommended as a brand. (If you want the "best", check out Lian Li cases... they will damage your wallet though).

kylehaas · Dec 15, 2010

Dude, just build a computer yourself.
It's not that hard.

Just get on newegg or tigerdirect and find a bundle with a decent processor and motherboard.
Then buy a really good video card and powersupply.

DONE.

Email me if you want help or advice.
I've currently built more than 20 computers and I'll gladly help you.

Berthenk · Dec 15, 2010

Y05h1 said:
This is the one I'm recommending (one of the best on the market, with a great price tag):
http://tweakers.net/pricewatch/248921/scyt...en-2-rev-b.html
Add that one to the wishlist.

QUOTE(Y05h1 @ Dec 15 2010, 07:41 PM) I'd also look around at other computer cases. I'm not saying Berthenk recommended a bad case, on the contrary, it's one of the best valued ones you will find, but everyone has different tastes when it comes to the design. It might seem like a trivial matter, but remember, you're going to look at it everyday... make sure you like the look of it

Cooler Master still recommended as a brand. (If you want the "best", check out Lian Li cases... they will damage your wallet though).

Meh, I just chose the case because it was one of the cheapest ATX cases. I haven't seen a cheap 1366 M-ATX motherboard. If one exists at all.
Also, Lian Li? Damage your wallet? Nah, those cases evaporate all money stored in your bank account...

We're pushing the budget right now, € 896,41.

Langin · Dec 15, 2010

Meh I cannot buy a screen anymore!

Ill need more money!

Originality · Dec 15, 2010

If you feel your budget isn't high enough, then switch from Core i7 to Core i5. That'll save a lot without compromising performance all that much.

Magsor · Dec 15, 2010

Its been years thats its not been worth it build your computer yourself because Windows cost too much and manufacturers have deals with microsoft and pay a fraction for it and you get the savings...
Wait for a sale and buy from a trustworthy store a system with windows bundled.

The only case where I would recommend building your system is if you would want to buy a single core 32bit system and run windows xp.....

Y05h1 · Dec 15, 2010

Cutting down in some areas... if you go with a 6850 instead of the 6870 GPU, you can save around 50 euros. For the CPU, an AMD Phenom X6 1075T will also bring the price down. Because of the change in CPU, the mobo needs to be changed too, and a good choice would be the ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3. With all these changes, you're also going to want dual-channel rather than triple-channel RAM, meaning 4GB RAM rather than 6GB. This will also bring the price down. As for the monitor, I'd recommend the Asus VH242H. 24 inches, full HD, and all in all a very decent monitor. Finally, some Arctic Silver Thermal Compound to make sure your CPU cooler is cooling down the CPU as much as possible. I haven't checked properly (and the website is a little hard to navigate without speaking the language), but I'm fairly sure that it should be within your budget.

Magsor said:
Its been years thats its not been worth it build your computer yourself because Windows cost too much and manufacturers have deals with microsoft and pay a fraction for it and you get the savings...
Wait for a sale and buy from a trustworthy store a system with windows bundled.

The only case where I would recommend building your system is if you would want to buy a single core 32bit system and run windows xp.....

Not true... the amount you save on computer components, especially when building a higher end computer is far more than the cost of windows. Although Microsoft does charge too much... There are also alternatives to Windows. Snow Leopard is around $25, and Linux is free. Of course when it comes to gaming, windows is somewhat necessary... so... "borrow" a copy from a friend? There are lots of ways to avoid paying Microsoft

(No, but really. Linux is better

)

Magsor · Dec 15, 2010

Thats what im saying if you want problems, borrow windows 7 from a friend and build your own rig!

Y05h1 · Dec 15, 2010

The performance of this rig would be close to the performance of a 2000 euro Alienware computer. I think a few problems are more than worth it... (and so much more fun!)

ZeWarrior · Dec 15, 2010

Honestly, I'm surprised so many people try to give advice on matters they clearly are not apt to give advice on..

Y05h1 · Dec 15, 2010

ZeWarrior said:
Honestly, I'm surprised so many people try to give advice on matters they clearly are not apt to give advice on..

Did I screw up that bad?

ZeWarrior · Dec 15, 2010

Y05h1 said:
ZeWarrior said:

Honestly, I'm surprised so many people try to give advice on matters they clearly are not apt to give advice on..

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Did I screw up that bad?

Wasn't referring to your post. :/ Was talking about the other guy who said that he "needed" a 2GB card, when video card memory is irrelevant to performance, unless it's on the same card, and even then most of the times theres little to no difference.

hatredg0d · Dec 15, 2010

any ways... i built a computer for playing games earlier this year. im running a amd Phenom II X4 940 BE, 4 gigs gskill ddr2-800 (4*1 gig sticks.) Sapphire hd 5570, asus m4a785-m mobo, and a nzxt phantom case. =) that plays everything i throw at it very well, but your not going to be maxing out setting or anything.. im talking medium settings for newer games..

I recommend building ur own. not hard at all. many videos, help here, help anywhere, ect.
I recommend going with AMD for a processor, and ati for graphics..
go at least quad core cpu!
you want to spend about the same on each of those..
I recommend going with ddr3, lower power, faster speeds, seems to be cheaper.
MAKE SURE U DONT CHEAP OUT ON the power supply. at least make sure its "80-plus" certified.
I shop newegg, lots of good prices there.
post all your parts here befor u place the order, have other people make sure u dont screw up..

look up the case im using, u wont regret it.

DigitalDeviant · Dec 15, 2010

cyberpowerpc.com is great for picking the hardware, they assemble it for you, highly recommendable if you don't want to build it yourself.

Y05h1 · Dec 16, 2010

Newegg.com, Cyberpowerpc.com, Amazon.com... all great sites for buying components. Too bad they are essentially US only (except rare sites like TigerDirect.com. It has international shipping, but the shipping costs + import taxes would be way too high). How about some European recommendations?

I'll second the power supply remark. A computer is no good if the components aren't getting any juice, and if they aren't getting enough, that's no good either...

Originality · Dec 16, 2010

Amazon is not US only - there's an equivolent in every country ;p

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