ROM Hack Why is nobody working on a dsi hack!?

stylow · Dec 6, 2010

Why is nobody working on a dsi hack i mean it is still not hacked in 2 years.
If it was hacked there could be a homebrew channel and MAYBE a gba emulator
and there could be a mp4 player for the dsi?

Knyaz Vladimir · Dec 6, 2010

Because we hate the DSi. End of story, 3DS is where it's at!

CannonFoddr · Dec 6, 2010

DSi mode hacks are old hat.. everyone waiting for the 3DS to come out to start hacking that

qwertymodo · Dec 6, 2010

DSi-mode homebrew actually has been done. It's just that nobody with the ability to do anything with it cares. Literally. The exploits were made public and nobody did anything with them. Besides, there really isn't much to gain from DSi-mode homebrew. You get a slightly faster processor and a bit more RAM and a camera, and that's it. The first two are already possible with third-gen flashcarts. Really, the only other thing you could get by hacking the DSi would be DSiWare piracy, and for the most part the most experienced hackers in the homebrew scene don't support piracy.

Pliskron · Dec 6, 2010

Rumor has it that Team Cyclops has a DSi cart coming out soon that will supposedly run DSi code. It's being worked on but who knows what will become of it. Look how long it took for the Game Boy Color bios to be dumped.

Rydian · Dec 6, 2010

http://davejmurphy.com/dsi-mode-homebrew-anyone/

Feel free to hack up something nice that uses it yourself.

Arm73 · Dec 6, 2010

My conspiracy theory, I would like to add spoiler tags if I knew how to, but here it goes:

Code:

[spoiler]Stuff to be hidden goes here. [/spoiler]

You know, I've been meaning to say this for a long time, but I never got the chance.
Every time the question pops up, some idiots reply that we don't really care, or nobody cares and so on.
First, I don't think that nobody cares, in fact in this tread alone there are at least two of us who cares.
Second, I think a lot of homebrew that struggles on the DS today for a lack of speed or memory, would somehow benefit from a little extra processor power and memory that the DSi has to offer.
But the truth is, after giving it much thought myself a very different kind of issue then " the people who can code don't care ", although it's related.
You know what the problem really is ?
The DSi has and SD card slot.
In this SD card slot you can stick ANY cheap SD card.
Now what will happen if somebody hacks the DSi and actually writes homebrew ?
What would you first do ? Enable the camera ? Meh.....Use the extra memory ? Meh...the SC already has that and the extra processing power.....I tell you what I would do, I would enable the SD card slot so that I COULD RUN HOMEBREW FROM THE SD CARD SLOT !
Now think about it, what would happen if we would run homebrew from the dirty cheap SD cards to the big, mighty flashcart makers ? SC, M3, AK, Cyclo and so on ?
Who the hell would buy their cards anymore ?
I have reason to believe, that those who sell the flashcarts, in some way or another support those coders in order to release game patches and homebrew that would actually help to sell those flashcards in the first place.
So to summarize, that's my opinion about the truth .
They keep on telling us ' nobody cares ' and neither should you, but at the end, the problem lies in the fact that they want you to keep on buying their flashcarts.
It's all money related bro', the whole world keeps spinning around.
Personally, I hope the 3DS will come with SD card slots and very easy to hack, so easy actually that anybody could run code off the SD card without much effort, then with those pesky flashcart makers gone, who would actually support piracy and work on updates and patches for free ?
That would be Nintendo killing move !

stylow · Dec 6, 2010

Arm73 said:
My conspiracy theory, I would like to add spoiler tags if I knew how to, but here it goes:

You know, I've been meaning to say this for a long time, but I never got the chance.
Every time the question pops up, some idiots reply that we don't really care, or nobody cares and so on.
First, I don't think that nobody cares, in fact in this tread alone there are at least two of us who cares.
Second, I think a lot of homebrew that struggles on the DS today for a lack of speed or memory, would somehow benefit from a little extra processor power and memory that the DSi has to offer.
But the truth is, after giving it much thought myself a very different kind of issue then " the people who can code don't care ", although it's related.
You know what the problem really is ?
The DSi has and SD card slot.
In this SD card slot you can stick ANY cheap SD card.
Now what will happen if somebody hacks the DSi and actually writes homebrew ?
What would you first do ? Enable the camera ? Meh.....Use the extra memory ? Meh...the SC already has that and the extra processing power.....I tell you what I would do, I would enable the SD card slot so that I COULD RUN HOMEBREW FROM THE SD CARD SLOT !
Now think about it, what would happen if we would run homebrew from the dirty cheap SD cards to the big, mighty flashcart makers ? SC, M3, AK, Cyclo and so on ?
Who the hell would buy their cards anymore ?
I have reason to believe, that those who sell the flashcarts, in some way or another support those coders in order to release game patches and homebrew that would actually help to sell those flashcards in the first place.
So to summarize, that's my opinion about the truth .
They keep on telling us ' nobody cares ' and neither should you, but at the end, the problem lies in the fact that they want you to keep on buying their flashcarts.
It's all money related bro', the whole world keeps spinning around.
Personally, I hope the 3DS will come with SD card slots and very easy to hack, so easy actually that anybody could run code off the SD card without much effort, then with those pesky flashcart makers gone, who would actually support piracy and work on updates and patches for free ?
That would be Nintendo killing move !

Thank you this is what i was looking for and not nobody cares

and i think if they are gonna hack the 3ds they must hack the dsi first because maybe nintendo thinks that the hackers can't hack the dsi so the antipiracy software of the 3ds must be almost the same as the dsi

twiztidsinz · Dec 6, 2010

Arm73 said:
My conspiracy theory, I would like to add spoiler tags if I knew how to, but here it goes:

You know, I've been meaning to say this for a long time, but I never got the chance.
Every time the question pops up, some idiots reply that we don't really care, or nobody cares and so on.
First, I don't think that nobody cares, in fact in this tread alone there are at least two of us who cares.
Second, I think a lot of homebrew that struggles on the DS today for a lack of speed or memory, would somehow benefit from a little extra processor power and memory that the DSi has to offer.
But the truth is, after giving it much thought myself a very different kind of issue then " the people who can code don't care ", although it's related.
You know what the problem really is ?
The DSi has and SD card slot.
In this SD card slot you can stick ANY cheap SD card.
Now what will happen if somebody hacks the DSi and actually writes homebrew ?
What would you first do ? Enable the camera ? Meh.....Use the extra memory ? Meh...the SC already has that and the extra processing power.....I tell you what I would do, I would enable the SD card slot so that I COULD RUN HOMEBREW FROM THE SD CARD SLOT !
Now think about it, what would happen if we would run homebrew from the dirty cheap SD cards to the big, mighty flashcart makers ? SC, M3, AK, Cyclo and so on ?
Who the hell would buy their cards anymore ?
I have reason to believe, that those who sell the flashcarts, in some way or another support those coders in order to release game patches and homebrew that would actually help to sell those flashcards in the first place.
So to summarize, that's my opinion about the truth .
They keep on telling us ' nobody cares ' and neither should you, but at the end, the problem lies in the fact that they want you to keep on buying their flashcarts.
It's all money related bro', the whole world keeps spinning around.
Personally, I hope the 3DS will come with SD card slots and very easy to hack, so easy actually that anybody could run code off the SD card without much effort, then with those pesky flashcart makers gone, who would actually support piracy and work on updates and patches for free ?
That would be Nintendo killing move !First, I'm pretty sure that you can't just throw game/homebrew files onto a memory card and run them directly on the DSi, even if DSi mode is hacked... The DSi should be able to know that the data is coming from their non-game slot and not run. Maybe since Nintendo seems to have done the incredibly stupid thing of allowing the 3DS to run "3DSware" from SD cards it would be possible on the 3DS, but this is about DSi.
Second, the VAST majority of people don't buy flashcards for homebrew. Sorry, simple as that. The first team to get a DSi mode flashcard would be able to charge whatever they wanted for it for a while before the price drops and similar devices appear, just like the PS3 jailbreak, just like the previous Slot-1 flashcards.

It's not a conspiracy, people just honestly don't care.
The DSi doesn't have a 'killer game' or 'killer app' to warrant all the effort it would take over the current 'DS-on-DSi' cards out there especially as qwertymodo said, the '3rd-gen' Slot-1 devices have onboard CPUs/RAM that are greater than the DS'.

QUOTE(stylow @ Dec 6 2010, 01:34 PM) Thank you this is what i was looking for and not nobody cares

and i think if they are gonna hack the 3ds they must hack the dsi first because maybe nintendo thinks that the hackers can't hack the dsi so the antipiracy software of the 3ds must be almost the same as the dsi

Just because you want a particular answer doesn't mean it's the right one.
But please... tell me the point of hacking the DSi. An actual gain of hacking the DSi over using a '3rd-Gen' Slot-1 device.
I can give you a huge one against it: '3rd-Gen' Slot-1 devices work on all DS', DSi hacks only work on DSis so you're limiting your target audience.

And there is no requirement to hack the DSi before the 3DS, it's not like the 3DS is going to say "HAF U HAX3D TEH DSi YAT???".
They may be similar in their security, but there won't be any sort of requirement (or point really) for a DSi hack beyond what is already made.

stylow · Dec 6, 2010

if the DSi's firmware hasn't been hacked yet, the chances of the 3DS's firmware with even more AP protection getting hacked will be even lower. People hack because they like a challenge, not because said device is popular, but the 3DS follows suite with the DSi in terms of how it will operate, so if they understand the DSi's design, then that's one step closer to understanding the 3DS's design.

this is what i meant

twiztidsinz · Dec 6, 2010

stylow said:
if the DSi's firmware hasn't been hacked yet, the chances of the 3DS's firmware with even more AP protection getting hacked will be even lower. People hack because they like a challenge, not because said device is popular, but the 3DS follows suite with the DSi in terms of how it will operate, so if they understand the DSi's design, then that's one step closer to understanding the 3DS's design.

this is what i meant

I'm pretty sure that's not what you mean, but hacking the firmware is different than getting code to run.
Hacking the firmware is like FlashMe for DS/DSlite, and getting code to run in DSi mode HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE.

Again, what is the point of putting all the effort in to making a DSi flashcard when there is no gain from it?
There is a smaller target for a DSi mode flashcart (Current 'DSi' cards run on all DS' equally, '3rd-Gen' cards run on all DS' equally, a DSi-mode card would only run/only run fully on a DSi) and the hardware improvements would only benefit the DSi users, so any apps would either have to be written twice or end up 'gimped' on DS/DSlite.
The 3DS will be a different story since there will be 3DS games as major titles.

Just because no one has released a DSi mode flashcard doesn't mean it's not possible they COULD do it and they're waiting for the 3DS.

Necron · Dec 6, 2010

Arm73 said:
My conspiracy theory, I would like to add spoiler tags if I knew how to, but here it goes:

You know, I've been meaning to say this for a long time, but I never got the chance.
Every time the question pops up, some idiots reply that we don't really care, or nobody cares and so on.
First, I don't think that nobody cares, in fact in this tread alone there are at least two of us who cares.
Second, I think a lot of homebrew that struggles on the DS today for a lack of speed or memory, would somehow benefit from a little extra processor power and memory that the DSi has to offer.
But the truth is, after giving it much thought myself a very different kind of issue then " the people who can code don't care ", although it's related.
You know what the problem really is ?
The DSi has and SD card slot.
In this SD card slot you can stick ANY cheap SD card.
Now what will happen if somebody hacks the DSi and actually writes homebrew ?
What would you first do ? Enable the camera ? Meh.....Use the extra memory ? Meh...the SC already has that and the extra processing power.....I tell you what I would do, I would enable the SD card slot so that I COULD RUN HOMEBREW FROM THE SD CARD SLOT !
Now think about it, what would happen if we would run homebrew from the dirty cheap SD cards to the big, mighty flashcart makers ? SC, M3, AK, Cyclo and so on ?
Who the hell would buy their cards anymore ?
I have reason to believe, that those who sell the flashcarts, in some way or another support those coders in order to release game patches and homebrew that would actually help to sell those flashcards in the first place.
So to summarize, that's my opinion about the truth .
They keep on telling us ' nobody cares ' and neither should you, but at the end, the problem lies in the fact that they want you to keep on buying their flashcarts.
It's all money related bro', the whole world keeps spinning around.
Personally, I hope the 3DS will come with SD card slots and very easy to hack, so easy actually that anybody could run code off the SD card without much effort, then with those pesky flashcart makers gone, who would actually support piracy and work on updates and patches for free ?
That would be Nintendo killing move !

I don't own a 3rd gen flashcard, I don't own a DSi and I don't care. Simply, just like twiztidsinz said, it brings no benefits to the scene. Oh, and it has been done and nobody cared.

steveo1978 · Dec 6, 2010

I dont really think it has anything to do with selling flash carts. Look at the psp The could have made it were you had to have something special to run homebrew on that but they did it so you flash it then thats it. The benefits for using a flashcart over flashing the firmware makes it to were most that are able to hack it dont want to. I mean you can use a flash cart on most DSIs the day you get it and not have to worry about voiding the warranty. I have to agree about the piracy deal because most of the better hackers do not wanna appear to promote piracy so they dont try and do stuff that would allow it partly because its illegal. I can not hack or anything like that but if I could all I would be doing is trying to find ways to run different themes on the DS and DSi and maybe add a few extra features but I would have noting to do with piracy.

iggloovortex · Dec 6, 2010

for all those not reading the conspiracy theory, the actual conspiracy part of it is that nintendo ACTUALLY makes the 3DS pretty easy to hack and run games from the SD slot, which would inevitably render flashcarts useless, making all the companies go out of business, and resulting in their epic win.

After all is said and done, SUPPOSEDLY they would constantly release updates with their sleep mode updating feature, which would also break any and all hacks that would appear for their beloved console at a constant rate. if hacks are as frequent as Hackmii was after it's release and subsequent Nintendo patches, then within about a year, all the possible back doors and "loopholes" the hackers were using for the 3DS would be "locked," and/or "filled," and the new console would end up unhackable.

Mind you the second part is my own theory of how nintendo could be geniuses, while the first is my re-iteration Arm73's conspiracy theory

twiztidsinz · Dec 6, 2010

steveo1978 said:
I dont really think it has anything to do with selling flash carts. Look at the psp The could have made it were you had to have something special to run homebrew on that but they did it so you flash it then thats it. The benefits for using a flashcart over flashing the firmware makes it to were most that are able to hack it dont want to. I mean you can use a flash cart on most DSIs the day you get it and not have to worry about voiding the warranty. I have to agree about the piracy deal because most of the better hackers do not wanna appear to promote piracy so they dont try and do stuff that would allow it partly because its illegal. I can not hack or anything like that but if I could all I would be doing is trying to find ways to run different themes on the DS and DSi and maybe add a few extra features but I would have noting to do with piracy.

It's the nature of the hardware that's the big deal.
First off, PSP uses optical media, can't just slap a MicroSD into an adapter and have it read, so the idea of a flashcard in the sense of the DS is out.
In addtion PSP was made to have updatable firmware, the DS wasn't. I think that lent itself to firmware exploits/modified firmware more so than then DS/DSlite's non-updatable* firmware.
And to answer the 'Well then why no modified DSi firmware/homebrew channel/l33th4x firmwarez?' question, see my above reasoning for why there are no DSi flashcards. I honestly think that until the 3DS is released or released 'States-side that any major DSi exploit would just end up hurting the 3DS' chances since Nintendo would jump on it and fix any possible exploit like that in the 3DS, and doing so would be like shooting yourself in the foot to kill a fly for flashcard teams. It's just not worth it in the long run.

*(I know you can update via flashme, but you have to bridge two contacts, which makes it impossible for a game/app/download to update)

steveo1978 · Dec 7, 2010

twiztidsinz said:
First off, PSP uses optical media, can't just slap a MicroSD into an adapter and have it read, so the idea of a flashcard in the sense of the DS is out.
In addtion PSP was made to have updatable firmware, the DS wasn't. I think that lent itself to firmware exploits/modified firmware more so than then DS/DSlite's non-updatable* firmware.

Very true, I was just trying to point out that its not always about money. Cause people could have just released firmware for chips or something to make money off the PSP mods.

Sylar1 · Dec 7, 2010

Because everything related to the dsi sucks, no one gives a crap about it to try and hack anything that matters

azariaspice · Dec 7, 2010

I love my DSi XL. My boyfriend wants the Red Mario one, I've got the Midnight Blue. It's nice, I love the bigger screen and it runs an Acekard 2i without problems, and that's all I care for. After pretty much screwing up my first Wii, I decided against firmware hacking anymore. I do still use my hacked Wii once and a while, but I just use my Acekard 2i in my DSi. Why bother with hacking the DSi's firmware? Is there something spectacular that could happen with the DSi's special features? Really, a camera can't do much more. As for running GBA emulation, there's a card that runs that already, on the DSi. So really, with the 3DS coming out, I don't think anyone was interested in hacking the DSi, since it can already run the flash cards.

Neku_Sakuraba · Dec 7, 2010

Arm73 said:
My conspiracy theory, I would like to add spoiler tags if I knew how to, but here it goes:

Code:

[spoiler]Stuff to be hidden goes here. [/spoiler]

You know, I've been meaning to say this for a long time, but I never got the chance.
Every time the question pops up, some idiots reply that we don't really care, or nobody cares and so on.
First, I don't think that nobody cares, in fact in this tread alone there are at least two of us who cares.
Second, I think a lot of homebrew that struggles on the DS today for a lack of speed or memory, would somehow benefit from a little extra processor power and memory that the DSi has to offer.
But the truth is, after giving it much thought myself a very different kind of issue then " the people who can code don't care ", although it's related.
You know what the problem really is ?
The DSi has and SD card slot.
In this SD card slot you can stick ANY cheap SD card.
Now what will happen if somebody hacks the DSi and actually writes homebrew ?
What would you first do ? Enable the camera ? Meh.....Use the extra memory ? Meh...the SC already has that and the extra processing power.....I tell you what I would do, I would enable the SD card slot so that I COULD RUN HOMEBREW FROM THE SD CARD SLOT !
Now think about it, what would happen if we would run homebrew from the dirty cheap SD cards to the big, mighty flashcart makers ? SC, M3, AK, Cyclo and so on ?
Who the hell would buy their cards anymore ?
I have reason to believe, that those who sell the flashcarts, in some way or another support those coders in order to release game patches and homebrew that would actually help to sell those flashcards in the first place.
So to summarize, that's my opinion about the truth .
They keep on telling us ' nobody cares ' and neither should you, but at the end, the problem lies in the fact that they want you to keep on buying their flashcarts.
It's all money related bro', the whole world keeps spinning around.
Personally, I hope the 3DS will come with SD card slots and very easy to hack, so easy actually that anybody could run code off the SD card without much effort, then with those pesky flashcart makers gone, who would actually support piracy and work on updates and patches for free ?
That would be Nintendo killing move !

Screw that! Like Every Flashcart maker is really going to those lengths to continue making money. The Reason people truly buy this stuff becuase its a free easy way to get free ds games. I don't know many people who would want to go through all the technical sides of hacking a dsi. As long as they get games for free they could care less about a complicated way to get free dsiware games(or I would like to call them Shitware games). Have you seen those overly complicated ways to hack a dsi? This Conspiracy theory is just the way people act. You give them an easy way to hack the dsi they will eat that up like a kid eats a bag of candy on Halloween! Humans are animals of habit. If they get into the habit of eating food with a fork they choose not to change becuase they are used to their lifestyle. So take that analogy and apply it to Hacking a dsi. DS Phat and DSLite had something easy and safe. A Flashcart. Think of it this way. What 2 things scare people from hacking their product? 1.Irreversible Damage and 2.The Creator of the Product. Sony Updates Their PSP a lot right? Somebody hears that your psp could die when you do a sony psp update. They Change their mind about hacking and forget about it. So You see a guy with his brand new dsi and he hears he can hack it. He will read up and be scared off by Nintendo. Conspiracy! more like reality!

Isaac_GS · Dec 7, 2010

Here's my take on the whole "Flashcart makers want to keep people from hacking the DSi because of the SDcard slot.": I think it's good to have ~~Piracy~~ Legal backups, homebrew, and related hax stored away from the console's internal memory. Imagine if Nintendo found a way to detect 3DSs with custom firmware trying to access the 3DSware store? They'd probably mark your console in some database saying "This 3DS is hacked, don't fix it." Then it breaks, and you're screwed out of anywhere from 200-300 plus the cost of 3DSware games you may have paid for. WITH Flashcarts, you can have fun, quality 3DSware (assuming they make such a thing) inside the 3DS, and ~~Piracy~~ Legal backups, homebrew, and related hax on the Flashcart, eliminating any chance of Nintendo finding out and voiding your warranty. It's the best of both worlds!

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