3DS could feature automatic firmware updates

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Yes the best thing that Nintendo can do, its a lot easier to hack the Firmware if it is on Cartridges, you must only dump one Game with Firmware Update and modifying the ROM
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Whatever they do, it's impossible to fully beat piracy or just modding in general (since some people use flashcarts only for homebrew). Maybe not at first, but after some time someone will find away to bypass this.

Also even if you don't connect to WiFi at all, remember that they will put updates in game carts too so you can't play the game without installing the update. But again, the update could be stripped and the rom cracked so it doesn't need the update.
 

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Of course it was going to have firmware updates all along. It's basically required these days. But even then you can see that the Wii is not secure at all even with it. I have a feeling flashcards will not be the route taken for hacks with the 3DS, at least not alone. Exploits and custom firmware will be more likely. Which is good because then this site will maybe lose some of the idiots who can only work out how to use a shit $10 flashcard and ask dumb questions all the time.
 

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There are people who pirate every game they can get, people who buy every game they want, and peolpe pretty much anywhere in between. Its likely that your not going to change by fighting or otherwise. .At the end of the day fighting about this will only make you waste time and look stupid.
 

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I can't see the problem.
Many high tech stuff like mobile phones, computer and gaming consoles allready do automatic updates trough internet
 

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Start choice for Nintendo, money wise. But updates without us approving? I for one, like to know what I am installing. I mean, remember what happened to the Wii on 4.0? Normal Wiis got bricked by installing the firmware (even if it was a small percentage) it could happen again.

But I am getting a 3DS anyway. I just won't program my wireless connection on it.
 

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CrimzonEyed said:
I can't see the problem.
Many high tech stuff like mobile phones, computer and gaming consoles allready do automatic updates trough internet

It mainly affects people who hack their console or pirate games...
 

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There's another issue if it autoconnects to wifi hotspots. In some jurisdictions it's apparently illegal to connect to someone else's wifi network without permission, even if it's unsecured. Can't EULA your way out of that one, Nintendo.

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tbgtbg said:
There's another issue if it autoconnects to wifi hotspots. In some jurisdictions it's apparently illegal to connect to someone else's wifi network without permission, even if it's unsecured. Can't EULA your way out of that one, Nintendo.

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Fraudulent use refers to intentional purposes. The man arrested purposefully drove to the cafe every single day to gain WiFi access without ever going into the cafe, even though he, and the cafe owner, did not know that it was a crime. Unless you are putting yourself into the same position, with the intentional purpose of getting free WiFi, then it would not be considered a crime. If you're walking around a mall while never entering a store, and each store has their own WiFi hotspot, sure, you're getting free WiFi, but you aren't actually using it. The device may be, but you aren't. Also consider this same scenario, but with every other auto connect device currently available today. What can they really do about that? It would then be a case about whether auto connecting in general is unlawful, but it isn't.
 

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jet™ said:
Good on you, nintendo.
Not really. It's not up to Nintendo what firmware I decide to play on. If I buy a gaming system, I'll decide what goddamn firmware I want to run it on. If it's an optional update, that's one thing, but it's mildly infuriating to see a company say that they're going to plan on what firmware I run and when it gets installed on the system I purchased.
 

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If I sell you something telling you that I'm going to auto-update it for you every once in a while, and you still buy it, then you are AGREEING to the EULA, period, there is no "....in Europe that's illegal..", cause the moment you pay for it you have the manual where this agreement is written, so you can disagree to this EULA and return the product, or open your system, damage your WiFi antenna and never being bothered by any type of external contact, I was the same piss off when I bought my car and realized that in the EULA says you CAN'T run above the speed limit, so if I ever want to run faster then I would have to make my own vehicule, comprendes mendez..?? or you are still thinking no one can force you to use the things as they are supouse to be used...??
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silverbullet1080 said:
jet™ said:
Good on you, nintendo.
Not really. It's not up to Nintendo what firmware I decide to play on. If I buy a gaming system, I'll decide what goddamn firmware I want to run it on. If it's an optional update, that's one thing, but it's mildly infuriating to see a company say that they're going to plan on what firmware I run and when it gets installed on the system I purchased.

Then you are purposefully limiting yourself to what you can do on it, and what games you can play. Firmware updates are just that, updates. Fixes bugs. Adds functionality. Many games won't run unless you update to the newest update. The only thing it could "take away" is anything it was not meant to do in the first place, such as piracy (which I'm sure is why you are against this). It is Nintendo's responsibility to ensure their products remain stable, and your responsibility to allow them to do so with products they made that you bought. If something should happen to your system by not updating the firmware, Nintendo would not be responsible for the consequences.
 

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DiscostewSM said:
silverbullet1080 said:
jet™ said:
Good on you, nintendo.
Not really. It's not up to Nintendo what firmware I decide to play on. If I buy a gaming system, I'll decide what goddamn firmware I want to run it on. If it's an optional update, that's one thing, but it's mildly infuriating to see a company say that they're going to plan on what firmware I run and when it gets installed on the system I purchased.


Then you are purposefully limiting yourself to what you can do on it, and what games you can play. Firmware updates are just that, updates. Fixes bugs. Adds functionality. Many games won't run unless you update to the newest update. The only thing it could "take away" is anything it was not meant to do in the first place, such as piracy (which I'm sure is why you are against this). It is Nintendo's responsibility to ensure their products remain stable, and your responsibility to allow them to do so with products they made that you bought. If something should happen to your system by not updating the firmware, Nintendo would not be responsible for the consequences.
That's all fine and dandy, but my problem lies in the fact that they're automatic updates as opposed to how pretty much every other mobile device works where updates are an option. When my android phone tells me theres an update, I have the option of updating or not. Short of disabling wireless, that option is gone on the 3DS.

QUOTE(ether2802 @ Oct 3 2010, 05:09 PM)
If I sell you something telling you that I'm going to auto-update it for you every once in a while, and you still buy it, then you are AGREEING to the EULA, period, there is no "....in Europe that's illegal..", cause the moment you pay for it you have the manual where this agreement is written, so you can disagree to this EULA and return the product, or open your system, damage your WiFi antenna and never being bothered by any type of external contact, I was the same piss off when I bought my car and realized that in the EULA says you CAN'T run above the speed limit, so if I ever want to run faster then I would have to make my own vehicule, comprendes mendez..?? or you are still thinking no one can force you to use the things as they are supouse to be used...??
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That comparison makes little sense, going above the speed limit is illegal, but it's still possible. The 3DS's problem isn't that is has updates but that it doesn't give me an option.
 

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Nintendo has shown that they're not perfect. Even with the release of System Menu 4.0, legitmate un-bootmii'd Wiis were bricked. If Nintendo were more careful, perhaps all this rage against automatic updates wouldn't happen.
 

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silverbullet1080 said:
jet™ said:
Good on you, nintendo.
Not really. It's not up to Nintendo what firmware I decide to play on. If I buy a gaming system, I'll decide what goddamn firmware I want to run it on. If it's an optional update, that's one thing, but it's mildly infuriating to see a company say that they're going to plan on what firmware I run and when it gets installed on the system I purchased.

Not if they put something on the warranty or that terms of agreement saying you have to upgrade to the latest firmware the first chance you get..
 

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Piracy can be a cause of game quality declining.

And were games back then that cheap? (The age where piracy was not the craze.)

And those people who are saying "screw you Nintendo"... you REALLY don't want them to make games anymore, do you...
 

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