Hacking [MMM] Multi-Mod Manager (a collection of tools)

XFlak · Sep 20, 2010

I've sent a PM to the dev I've been testing 4 to ur post... hopefully we get it all sorted out soon, thx for your feedback

Does it make sense that apps load properly more consistently after waiting 30 seconds in the HBC before launching anything? I can't think of a good explanation... but that's what my testing results indicate...

tueidj · Sep 20, 2010

Yes, the longer you wait the better the chance that the network init call will return while HBC is still running and be handled correctly.

petspeed · Sep 20, 2010

Wiiwu said:
petspeed said:

Thanks for this great update.

Does this make it able to install unsigned wad's without a patched IOS? Like a WAD Manager using AHBPROT instead of a patched IOS / CIOS. If not would that be possible? That would be really cool.

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Yes using AHBPROT, MMM on-the-fly patches the IOS to allow wad installation, I've tested wiiware wads installs without problem.

Thank you for your answer and thank you for that great feature. MMM is really a nice program.

Also thanks to Xflak for your answer and your theories and testing.

mike333 · Sep 20, 2010

Wiiwu said:
I have released v13.4 which will bring it in-sync with Nintendo's Sep 7 System updates.

Still no source code? Pass.

Wiiwu · Sep 20, 2010

XFlak said:
tueidj said:

it's a libogc bug, already meant to be fixed.
I just beta testing something based on that latest libogc meant to have fixed the problem, however the problem persists
edit2: this is link explains my testing and speculation perfectly! It is a million times better than the 'laymans terms' speculation I gave above.
http://www.dacotaco.com/about-the-priiloader-0-5-removal

thx wiiwu for linking to this... I don't know how I missed it

Similar to you, I tested the latest svn libogc and the crashes are still happening. Call it speculation but I think daco is right, HBC is issuing requests but doesn't wait for the reply. It should wait for the reply before launching a app in AHBPROT mode. If you compare HBC 1.06 with new 1.07/1.08, you will see that 1.06 stop retrying within seconds if the network is unavailable, but 1.07/1.08 has this bug of non-stop continuously retrying. A easy fix will be to limit these retries just like 1.06.

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Thank you for your answer and thank you for that great feature. MMM is really a nice program.

Also thanks to Xflak for your answer and your theories and testing.

Glad you like it, thanks!

And BlackPearl from germany email me a nice icon to share with you guys:

Madridi · Sep 20, 2010

Wiiwu said:
And BlackPearl from germany email me a nice icon to share with you guys:

wow.. nice icon
Anyone mind converting this into png?

XFlak · Sep 20, 2010

dude, that was as easy as opening the jpg in paint and saving as png...

Madridi · Sep 20, 2010

haha, I wasnt sure if it would simply work like that or not. I dont remember which homebrew for the PSP used to require a certain dpi for an image. So yeah I didnt want to get into that so I just asked

Thanks XFlak

Scolor · Sep 21, 2010

This is a GREAT update! Thanks.

But why do you use IOS36 rev 3608 ? With this rev we could not install wanin's or hermes' cIOS . Am I right?

xfcrowman · Sep 21, 2010

Scolor said:
This is a GREAT update! Thanks.

But why do you use IOS36 rev 3608 ? With this rev we could not install wanin's or hermes' cIOS . Am I right?

With this newest version of MMM, you don't even need to install a patched IOS36 or IOS236. Just run MMM using AHB_PROT, go to wad manager, and install waninkoko/hermes cIOS wads.

So for a virgin wii, the steps would be: Run hackmii installer, use mmm with AHB_PROT to install cIOS wads, install priiloader, profit!

Scolor · Sep 21, 2010

Oh ok that's nice. Thanks! So we will not be able to use cIOS installers, but we've to use cIOS wads, right? So...we should wait new version of cios installer supporting AHBPROT.

xfcrowman · Sep 21, 2010

Scolor said:
Oh ok that's nice. Thanks! So we will not be able to use cIOS installers, but we've to use cIOS wads, right? So...we should wait new version of cios installer supporting AHBPROT.

Well, if you wanted to you could use cIOS installers as well. You can still use MMM and some other apps to install a patched IOS36 or IOS236. The cIOS installers would then work if you selected the patched IOS to do the install.

I do think that future cIOS installers by hermes and waninkoko will likely be able to use AHB_PROT to install cIOS as well.

Wiiwu · Sep 21, 2010

Scolor said:
This is a GREAT update! Thanks.

But why do you use IOS36 rev 3608 ? With this rev we could not install wanin's or hermes' cIOS . Am I right?

Because it just happens to be the latest and it shouldn't affect Wanikoko or Hermes installers; their installers picks their own base IOS to install. But still if there are real issues with r3608, do let me know and I'll change it.

Thanks xfcrowman for helping to clarify too.

xfcrowman · Sep 21, 2010

Wiiwu said:
Scolor said:

This is a GREAT update! Thanks.

But why do you use IOS36 rev 3608 ? With this rev we could not install wanin's or hermes' cIOS . Am I right?

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Because it just happens to be the latest and it shouldn't affect Wanikoko or Hermes installers; their installers picks their own base IOS to install. But still if there are real issues with r3608, do let me know and I'll change it.

Thanks xfcrowman for helping to clarify too.

EDIT - nevermind - I think I was wrong with my original post. However, I would like to know why some apps like the IOS236 installer use IOS36 v3351 instead of the latest version of IOS36.

XFlak · Sep 21, 2010

Even IOS36v3351 requires to be patched with the version patch in order to downgrade IOSs. If the latest IOS36 can be patched the same way, then it should make no difference. However, I don't know if it can... but this can be easily tested.

airline38 · Sep 22, 2010

I tried to use CustomizeMii (v3.11) to make a forwarder wad for MMM.

However, I found this way can't enable AHBPORT (checked the AHBPORT
status is 00000000) .

Suppose the reason is CustomizeMii didn't consider HBC 1.0.7 or 1.0.8 . Is it correct ?

Wiiwu · Sep 22, 2010

MMM 13.4 does have on-the-fly version patch, so it will allow downgrade/installing of lower version IOS / Title and overwriting of stubs under AHBPROT mode.

XFlak · Sep 22, 2010

airline38 said:
I tried to use CustomizeMii (v3.11) to make a forwarder wad for MMM.

However, I found this way can't enable AHBPORT (checked the AHBPORT
status is 00000000) .

Suppose the reason is CustomizeMii didn't consider HBC 1.0.7 or 1.0.8 . Is it correct ?

not true, just read this post and use the provided base wad

http://gbatemp.net/t249210-static-base-wad

@wiiwu, the Q was, after installing a cIOS of IOS36v3608 to slot 236, will it operate the same as a patched IOS36v3351 installed to slot236

petspeed · Sep 22, 2010

Would launching MMM from a channel made using that base wad overcome the freeze bug for AHBPROT mode (compared to launching the app from HBC)?

Wiiwu · Sep 22, 2010

XFlak said:
@wiiwu, the Q was, after installing a cIOS of IOS36v3608 to slot 236, will it operate the same as a patched IOS36v3351 installed to slot236

Its worked for me; but I am open to changing it to whatever version that is better or the standard. Just let me know.

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