Hacking Ashley and his team - unofficial TT firmwares

r0man · Dec 9, 2009

twit21 said:
danieru7 said:

In fact, they released 1.17a12 on December the 5th. I have been lucky enough to be chosen by him to be sort of a tester for his firmwares. However, he does not want his firmwares to be released to the general public because he does not want sites like dstt.com to steal his work and claim it as theirs, just like what happened to 1.17a07 (If you go to http://www.ndstt.com/download.html and scroll down you will see 1.17a07 there). So guys, please respect his wishes and don't ask for him to release them, and I certainly am in no position to release them either. He will release some, in time.

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Bold text vs. underlined text: way to jerk us off, man. Start out by saying that a new unofficial firmware has been "released," followed by the stipulation of "but he doesn't want you fuckers to have it." Why did you bother even starting this thread? Posting a changelog without a download link is just wasting everyone's time.

Agreed, glad someone else feels the same way haha.

zjam · Dec 9, 2009

yikes. i can see why people get angry but hang in and let the dust settle. i think the purpose of the post was to let people know that something new is on the way. that's good. the people doing it want credit for their effort and need a moment to figure out how to distribute their work or come to terms with what will inevitably happen. at any rate insulting people makes you look ungrateful for the free work that others do to keep your purchase up to date and valuable. i hope this thing does come out. i have been disappointed waiting for other projects, i won't mention, that become available only for a select few. makes you wonder if certain projects really exist.

twit21 · Dec 10, 2009

zjam said:
yikes. i can see why people get angry but hang in and let the dust settle. i think the purpose of the post was to let people know that something new is on the way. that's good. the people doing it want credit for their effort and need a moment to figure out how to distribute their work or come to terms with what will inevitably happen. at any rate insulting people makes you look ungrateful for the free work that others do to keep your purchase up to date and valuable. i hope this thing does come out. i have been disappointed waiting for other projects, i won't mention, that become available only for a select few. makes you wonder if certain projects really exist.

Oh, I'm so sorry! See, I was posting from my perspective of one of the users who have contributed their work to this forum in the past. How would it make me look if I made a cool new skin for the DSTT, but would only give it to one or two people because I'm afraid somebody else might try to take credit for my work...and then went ahead and let one of those people make an announcement on this board about it with a couple screenshots and a glowing review, but no download link? I'd look like a total douche!

Regardless of the intended purpose of the OP in this thread, the result is the same: telling us that a new version has been "released, but only to a select few" just makes them look like a douche.

Donato_Dobango · Dec 10, 2009

I have to agree with twit here. Especially a lot of the wording, such as "He doesn't know if he ever wants to release it because the DSTT might steal it" makes the entire OP sound like "I have something you might never have! I'm A+++ COOL GUY #1."

I'm sorry but if you are spending time doing anything for the pirate/hacking community, you run the risk of it being stolen. So just release it and post about it here first. You'll get your kudos and your credit from us.

Pulling favorites and having "testers" post about how great it is and how it might never be released? Not helping your cred at all.

zjam · Dec 10, 2009

i can see your point and understand why you would feel that way. like i've said i've felt the same way about other projects. on the other hand, when i company builds a product they sell, and make money on it, and then stops supporting it, and an outside community supports it instead, and then the company you paid takes that work without acknowledging those responsible, which you didn't pay, for the update, well you might see why they feel cheated. then when they express that feeling to the community they supported for free and it's met with outrage instead of understanding you might get the end of that support. that would be a shame for all of us who have depended on that free support. really i wish the company that built my card would do the right thing and support the product but that's not been the reality. the reality is that we depend on the kindness of others who feel burned and maybe due to this thread, unappreciated. so you win in expressing yourself, that's your right, but i'm afraid we will all lose the only support we really had. to me in the end that's a loss. for me my frustration is with the company that stopped supporting their product and then soured the community that kept their product alive. shame on them.

twit21 · Dec 10, 2009

As much as you claim to see my point, you're missing the sentiment entirely. I'm not going to repeat myself, but I'll address one thing that you've said:

zjam said:
the reality is that we depend on the kindness of others who feel burned and maybe due to this thread, unappreciated. so you win in expressing yourself, that's your right, but i'm afraid we will all lose the only support we really had. to me in the end that's a loss.

When that support disappears entirely, and it will sooner or later, what will we do? Oh noes! What will we who have no idea how to update this stuff ourselves ever do?!

I know what I'd do. I'd spend another $20 on a different flash cart, possibly from a more dependable manufacturer. The days of the $150 GBA flash cart are long gone, now we have $20 DS carts, and they are plentiful.

zjam · Dec 10, 2009

i totally agree with you there. cards are cheap. i was just saying that maybe the anger should be directed at the manufacturer instead. then again maybe people are just taking themselves to seriously and they should just release it. after all there is the "no honor among thieves thing". *waits for the obligatory lies about how someone in here has no pirated games on their card just homebrews and games they paid retail for*

r0man · Dec 10, 2009

I don't quite see the point in being pissed with the DSTT team, they're probably a bunch of Chinese sweatshop owners who want to make a profit off of our illegal practices. Once people stopped buying as many of the cards as they wanted they probably left to go do something else.

I don't quite see why everyone thinks the DSTT team is taking credit from Ashley and co, on the DSTT website they don't state that they made the firmware. They just let you download it (albeit they did add fake-killer). They probably just had a guilty conscience about abandoning the people who bought the DSTT and put that up there for people who don't come to GBATemp.

twiztidsinz · Dec 10, 2009

bitonio6 said:
Tsunii said:

i the a12 one the same as v1.17a07sp6 (09/12/07(?),02:05:22 / ???) ?
link: http://gamewiki.jp/uploader/dsma/src/dsm0101.7z.html

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Nothing new in this one, is the same CRC code, for the TTMENU.DAT of the 1.17a07
and the "skin" are from the DSTTi GOLD...

TTMenu.dat might be unchanged, but the other files, like extinfo.dat and ttpatch.dat have been updated (that's why it's 1.17a07sp6 and not 1.17a08).
Notably, Assassin's Creed II: Discovery works in 1.17a07sp6. There are a few other updates as well -- I applied the differences between 1.17a07 and 1.17a07sp6's ttpatch.dat to my r4patch.dat.

One solution that seemingly no one has come up with yet...
Give the firmware a name (like AKAIO, Sakura, etc have) and put a watermark in the firmware itself like Yasu did with YSMenu.
I'm no fan of watermarked software, but I'll take a watermark over no updates any day.

But then again... no offense meant to Ashley or anyone else, didn't they just take (steal) the DSTT firmware and hack it?
If so, they really don't have a valid argument to complain about someone else taking their work...

twit21 · Dec 10, 2009

twiztidsinz said:
bitonio6 said:

Tsunii said:

i the a12 one the same as v1.17a07sp6 (09/12/07(?),02:05:22 / ???) ?
link: http://gamewiki.jp/uploader/dsma/src/dsm0101.7z.html

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Nothing new in this one, is the same CRC code, for the TTMENU.DAT of the 1.17a07
and the "skin" are from the DSTTi GOLD...

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TTMenu.dat might be unchanged, but the other files, like extinfo.dat and ttpatch.dat have been updated (that's why it's 1.17a07sp6 and not 1.17a08).
Notably, Assassin's Creed II: Discovery works in 1.17a07sp6. There are a few other updates as well -- I applied the differences between 1.17a07 and 1.17a07sp6's ttpatch.dat to my r4patch.dat.

One solution that seemingly no one has come up with yet...
Give the firmware a name (like AKAIO, Sakura, etc have) and put a watermark in the firmware itself like Yasu did with YSMenu.
I'm no fan of watermarked software, but I'll take a watermark over no updates any day.

But then again... no offense meant to Ashley or anyone else, didn't they just take (steal) the DSTT firmware and hack it?
If so, they really don't have a valid argument to complain about someone else taking their work...

What this guy said.

With special emphasis on the part where he points out that the DSTT team were the original authors of the "stolen" software in question.

I don't want to belabor the point, I just don't think it's cool to start a thread like this just to cock tease the community. The whole "ha ha they gave me updated software but the rest of you can rot" jerking off just struck me as uncool, and I'm calling the OP on it.

denieru7 · Dec 10, 2009

The hell.

Guys, that was NOT my intention at all! I just wanted the community to know the status of the firmwares, and assure them that they ARE in progress! Guys, come on, don't rage at ME, I didn't do anything wrong!
Eesh! The nerve of some people! No-one's "cock-teasing" anyone!

God, that twit is such a jerk. I had good intentions. >.<

/rage

Now on a happier note, I've been emailing ashley:

We will not insist on the copyright. Therefore the redistribution is free.
Do what you want.

Our wish is that ndstt.com supports us.
But, we were given up for a long time by ndstt.com.
We decided to hack DSTT kernel out of necessity.
We cannot allow ndstt.com to distribute it. That's all.

I think this means that I can distribute it, but in such a way that ndstt.com guys can't get their hands on it.......

Ideas? I don't know any. A password protected rar wouldn't really work... cause where can I tell you guys the password, where flashcart people can't get to it?

BoxShot · Dec 10, 2009

PM system? Well that would require them not actually having an account here but then again they might.
IRC? Same problem with the first one if they can access IRC freely.
Send to our emails by request? Well that would cause a lot of trouble constantly sending them. Still first problem may occur.

Yeah I don't know what would be considered safe?

r0man · Dec 10, 2009

I sent Denieru a PM with an idea, let me sum it up here:

I make a text file and upload it to one of my sites, and then on a certain page I make up a relatively complex puzzle that if solved would lead to the text file.
I would occasionally change the puzzle+location of the text file.

I've done something similar to this with numerous proxies, none of them have been found by any school/filtering program lol.

AliceAwoo · Dec 10, 2009

I have a random idea of how to give it to people.

You make your own file sharing thing(site, irc bot) which edits all the files to have some form of marker that changes per download and logs the marker to the ip address of the download then ban the ip address of the one matching the on their site if the use it. After some amount of time they'd give up.

I did have something set up like this at one point. it worked nicely but mine used a text file with a code as its marker.

denieru7 · Dec 10, 2009

r0man, I read your idea-

I think its too complicated. What if some people can't get it? I like the actual idea, though.

Rawr, if only we could stop the DSTT people from making a gbatemp account. There must be a way to do this!

r0man · Dec 10, 2009

kyle123 said:
I have a random idea of how to give it to people.

You make your own file sharing thing(site, irc bot) which edits all the files to have some form of marker that changes per download and logs the marker to the ip address of the download then ban the ip address of the one matching the on their site if the use it. After some amount of time they'd give up.

I did have something set up like this at one point. it worked nicely but mine used a text file with a code as its marker.

I don't quite see how that'd work. We could ban their site's IP but they most likely don't self host.
Actually let me check on that.

EDIT: Whois'd their site, no helpful information.

denieru7 · Dec 10, 2009

You know, I think the best idea would be to upload it on Filetrip like usual - but have the password hidden on another site, maybe my infolib one, and hidden in a paragraph or something.

I get this feeling they found it off 2ch's website last time, so if its not there, we might be safe.

r0man · Dec 10, 2009

denieru7 said:
r0man, I read your idea-

I think its too complicated. What if some people can't get it? I like the actual idea, though.

Rawr, if only we could stop the DSTT people from making a gbatemp account. There must be a way to do this!
We could, hypothetically of course, send them an email saying if they steal it we'd DDoS their site until they took it off. I know someone who has a botnet. For educational purposes only obviously

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QUOTE(denieru7 @ Dec 10 2009, 09:09 AM) You know, I think the best idea would be to upload it on Filetrip like usual - but have the password hidden on another site, maybe my infolib one, and hidden in a paragraph or something.

I get this feeling they found it off 2ch's website last time, so if its not there, we might be safe.

We could have it hidden on one of my sites, they probably know about yours. But I could put mine in my user profile and tell people where to look in a paragraph?

twit21 · Dec 10, 2009

danieru7 said:
God, that twit is such a jerk. I had good intentions. >.

r0man · Dec 10, 2009

twit21 said:
QUOTE said:

We cannot allow ndstt.com to distribute it. That's all.

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Cannot allow the original author to distribute their own software? What? Just because you modified it doesn't mean they don't still own it, you know.

In spite of the fact that they didn't credit you for your contribution (which they're not required by law to do, but it was still uncool in an ethical way that they didn't), I think it's a good thing that they put the a07 modified firmware on their web site. Why? Because not everyone knows to come to GBATemp to find a community-updated version, but it's pretty much a guarantee that wherever they bought their DSTT from has a link to the manufacturer's web site saying "go here for updated firmware."

In this way other users who might not be in-the-know receive updated firmware even though the manufacturer is all but defunct.

I do agree with that, entirely. But betraying Ashley's trust would probably be an unfitting end to the DSTT. Would it not?

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