Hacking The R4 bricked my DS Lite (personal story)

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it sucks, but you know shit happens. sounds like the r4 is faulty, hardware does break down over time. i have multiple kingston 2gb japanese msd cards. on the box it says they are guaranteed for life, so contact kingston and get a replacement. but still i doubt its your msd or the homebrew (unless you got the homebrew from a bad source), sounds like the r4 just wore out. if you could still power cycle the ds, then i would have thought the homebrew was a disguised bricker, but since you can't - gotta be the r4.

if you research the n5 (and contact some owners) you will find out that its a bricker waiting to happen. many people use it for a long while with no issues, then one day it blows the fuse and bricks the ds. it is entirely possible that your r4 had a problem since day one but didn't manifest itself until recently. now that something is wrong in the r4 it will continue to own your ds'es each and every time it gets power.

someone i just talked to said the itouch is working great for them, its only 23$. the ak2 faulty problem seems to have been fixed thats only around $25. i'm personally a few days away from picking up a ak rpg for $60.

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granville said:
I know which R4 I have and it's confirmed to be a legit one. It's the first version. It's spring-mounted (I removed the spring) and was made and purchased by me BEFORE any clones were made. My microSD is a Kingston Japanese 2GB. It's never given me trouble before. My DS (and I mean all the ones I have tried) is a cobalt blue/black DS Lite. They were all brand new and worked perfectly BEFORE I put in my R4/microSD. I'm absolutely sure something went wrong when I wrote GRID onto it. It worked perfectly before. It's also worth mentioning that I updated my CHEAT.dat to Narin's update as well. There's nothing wrong with his dat or the GRID rom. It's got to be some sort of data corruption.

If it's a data corruption, then it can happen on ANY flashcart using any type of micro SD memory. Sometimes when I'm copying a game to my R4, something will happen to my computer (I have an old computer) and the transfer will stop abruptly. I know the transfer wasn't complete but on the card, it shows the game is there and complete. I'm 100% positive that if I try to play the game now, it'll brick my DS so what I always do when this happens is just re-transfer the game and make sure the transfer is complete.
 

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my previous DS got bricked too by an M3 DS Real. From then on I no longer use M3 DS Real products on my DS.

It happens occasionally to the unlucky person. Hopefully it doesn't happen again.
 

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Interesting... since these occurrences are so rare isn't it more plausible to think that these are in fact rare cases of NDS consoles BREAKING DOWN rather than flashcart brickings?
 

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Searinox said:
Interesting... since these occurrences are so rare isn't it more plausible to think that these are in fact rare cases of NDS consoles BREAKING DOWN rather than flashcart brickings?

From what I've heard, it's a fuse blowing due to short circuiting, or something like that.
 

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It may sound stupid but trying banging it. My friend has a similar problem, every now and then he turns it on, shows the light for 1 or 2 seconds and turns off. We tried everything, until i went fuck it and banged it. To our amazement it worked.
Edit: Oh, shit.
 

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PyroJames said:
granville said:
I know which R4 I have and it's confirmed to be a legit one. It's the first version. It's spring-mounted (I removed the spring) and was made and purchased by me BEFORE any clones were made. My microSD is a Kingston Japanese 2GB. It's never given me trouble before. My DS (and I mean all the ones I have tried) is a cobalt blue/black DS Lite. They were all brand new and worked perfectly BEFORE I put in my R4/microSD. I'm absolutely sure something went wrong when I wrote GRID onto it. It worked perfectly before. It's also worth mentioning that I updated my CHEAT.dat to Narin's update as well. There's nothing wrong with his dat or the GRID rom. It's got to be some sort of data corruption.

If it's a data corruption, then it can happen on ANY flashcart using any type of micro SD memory. Sometimes when I'm copying a game to my R4, something will happen to my computer (I have an old computer) and the transfer will stop abruptly. I know the transfer wasn't complete but on the card, it shows the game is there and complete. I'm 100% positive that if I try to play the game now, it'll brick my DS so what I always do when this happens is just re-transfer the game and make sure the transfer is complete.

that happened to me once. loading a rom on the card then it suddenly stopped. tried it on my 1 year old r4 (a genuine one), worked like a charm as usual until the game froze. loaded it again, worked fine, but i can't run anything. roms, moonshell, folders. nothing. turns out i corrupted my sd card, not brick the system. so really, don't worry about bricking your ds, its a freak occurence.
 

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The thing is that I bricked the ENTIRE system. I couldn't turn it on AT ALL and there's NO LIGHTS. Taking out all cards did nothing. It really bricked the thing and I'm not overreacting about it either. The thing dies and nothing made it come back on.
 

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granville said:
So if I used a Cyclo with the same microSD, it would still brick my DS? Is there a way to fix the microSD like formatting or something?

i know i typed this already... all kingston products have lifetime warranties on the multimedia and 2yrs on the reader. they will replace it with no questions asked if you just contact them.

this whole area of comments about the msd causing it are bull. having half a copied game on the msd can in no way cause the flash kit to short out a fuse. it would just cause that game to not load and if anything corrupt the msd forcing a format. people who assume should not post ideas which may scare others with out proof.

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I'm still a bit unsure about what caused what. I'll get a new flashcard and microSD to ensure it won't ever happen again. I didn't even know that about the Kingston having a lifetime warranty, so thanks!
 

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belzilep said:
It's possible too that the loading mecanism in the R4 is broken, causing a short-circuit between two pins of the MicroSD (or any part only activated when there is a MicroSD to complete the power loop) and increasing the amps enough to blow a fuse. You can't really know. Best choice is to ditch the R4, if you ask me.

Or you could open the R4 and look at the connections. If you still can read the MicroSD on PC, it should be fine. Still reformat it though, there could be data corruption. and check the MicroSD pins too, a PC is more resistant to power surges.
Very plausible explanation here. This explains why your MicroSD works, your R4 works alone, but it bricks your DS if you combine them.

I'd like to throw a wild claim here and say that this happens with spring-loaded cards only. I read this topic and people stated that only two other cards have bricked a DS before: the M3 and Supercard. Both of which are spring-loaded.

Thus, I suggest buying a non-spring loaded card next time.
 

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I have an M3 Real and have been using it since April, have two separate msd cards. A 2GB Sandisk with the M3 hacked Sakura english which i use for music and movies and a 4GB Kingston with my roms and have had no troubles with either. I regularly switch back and forth between the two depending on my mood or what I am doing, have had no issues whatsoever.... with that it definitely sounds like a hardware issue. Imo the R4 shorted something. plain and simple.
 

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I'm sorry for seeming annoying, but do you by any chance have a list or link to one with all the non-spring cards? I think the Supercard DS-1 is spring loaded, but I'm not sure about the rest.

As I said before, I removed the spring. Once you do that, the microSD sometimes doesn't insert into the R4 properly. You have to take it out and put it back in. In a case of inserting it wrong, It'll either say "microSD cannot be found" (or something like that) or the card bootup will hang on the black LOADING... screen.

BTW: I wanted to thank everyone that responded with your opinions and suggestions. I forgot to thank you all. This community is very supportive and I appreciate all your help!
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i can tell you that the ak, akrpg, r4 (build1), m3 lite are all spring loaded. i don't have (or have used) any other kits, hopefully others will comment.

i just read that the cyclo and ezflash V are non-spring loaded.

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Well I did some research (cuz im gonna buy a Cyclo DS this week) The Cyclo DS isnt Spring loaded.

What im wondering is Has anyone experienced a Cyclo DS bricking their system????
 

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klaw224 said:
Well I did some research (cuz im gonna buy a Cyclo DS this week) The Cyclo DS isnt Spring loaded.

What im wondering is Has anyone experienced a Cyclo DS bricking their system????
I'd love to know that as well. The thing is that once you remove the spring from an R4, the microSD never really fits very well anymore. You put it in and it slides around. I see a possibility of circuitry problems from that.
 

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