NeoDS - Neo Geo AES/MVS Emulator

khan · Apr 30, 2008

These are the games I have tested:

Art of Fighting, 2, 3: Seems to run near perfect. no graphical issues.
KOF 94, 95, 96, 97,98: All work really well apart from 98 which came up with that grid screen.
Ninja combat: Seems to run perfect.
Real bout Fatal Fury, 2, Special: First two work really well, special does not even load.
Spinmaster: does not work
World heroes, 2, 2jet, perfect: all do not work

n8littlefield · Apr 30, 2008

What is the use of the CPU speed option?

9th_Sage · Apr 30, 2008

I left off the dash in front of the 'bios' flag. *sigh*

I feel like a complete moron.

housemonkey · Apr 30, 2008

I have Samurai Shodown 2 working really well, as well as Metal Slug (but it locks up infrequently) and Wind Jammers and the first Art of Fighting and a few others. The first batch I made through the included converter didn’t work at all, the second one I made through command line with the bois 1 files worked great aside from Waku Waku 7 and World Heroes 2 which both booted but with major errors.

The second batch I thought I made in exactly the same way, but nothing is running from it. I find it highly hard to believe that I just happened to grab almost all working files the first round, and happened to grab non-compatible files in the second, so I think I must have screwed something up.

I can’t believe how good this is on the DS speed wise, and for a first release. There is some slowdown, but its so minor compared to my JXD-301 its insane. And I have a GP2X-200 and PSP as well so I am not just gushing out of happiness to play these games after a long time. This really is impressive for the little system

Kellicros · Apr 30, 2008

c2ironfist said:
I have the same exact problem, I'm not sure whats wrong. I include the negego.zip but it has other files which is odd I downloaded others and they all contain different files too with similar ones as well. I'm stumped here.

Could you maybe write a more detailed walkthrough? I would appreciate that a lot thanks

Jimmy

Ok here goes, first, put your roms and the bios into the same folder as NeoDsConvert.exe.

You do not have to extract anything, keep them in .zip.

Then, you create a shortcut for NeoDsConvert.exe

Right click on the shortcut file and go Properties on that shortcut you created.

Add one of these parameters beside the "Target" path address:

-bios0 use the euro bios
-bios1 use the euro-s1 bios
-bios2 use the us bios
-bios3 use the us-e bios
-bios4 use the asia bios
-bios5 use the japan bios
-bios6 use the japan-s2 bios
-bios7 use the japan-s1 bios
-bios8 use the uni-bios.10 bios
-bios9 use the uni-bios.11 bios
-bios10 use the debug bios
-bios11 use the asia-aes bios

E.g.: "C:\NeoDsConvert\NeoDsConvert.exe" -bios1

Click "Apply" and then "OK", and run the shortcut.

.neo files should be created, copy them into the root directory of your microsd.

Run NeoDS.nds and have fun.

moo422 · Apr 30, 2008

n8littlefield said:
What is the use of the CPU speed option?

As suggested in the readme, changing the CPU speed may result in better performance/compatibility. My personal experience with a few King of Fighters ROMs gave better framerates when underclocked.

Sweater Fish Del · Apr 30, 2008

moo422 said:
n8littlefield said:

What is the use of the CPU speed option?

Click to expand...

As suggested in the readme, changing the CPU speed may result in better performance/compatibility. My personal experience with a few King of Fighters ROMs gave better framerates when underclocked.

You get better framerates as reported by the emulator, but more slowdown since the CPU is now being emulated at a lower speed than it should. The net result is not much of any differenc ein how the games actually play. I think the CPU underclock option would be used for games that run at full speed with normal options, but maybe need additional processing time for things like scaling or FM emulation if that gets implemented.

I tested out about 60 games last night and only 5 or 10 wouldn't work. I was bale to get some game slike KoF'98 and World Heroes Perfect that other people had trouble with to work as well, so there seems to be something fishy going on here. I wonder if it has to do with what version of MAME your ROMset is for? I saw people saying that most games ran between 45 and 50fps and thought I wouldn't be able to handle that, but in fact, I barely noticed it in most games. It really only became a problem in games like Twinkle Star Sprites and Metal Slug that already had considerable slowdown even on the real hardware. I was especially impressed to see that games like Last Blade, KoF2002, Garou, Metal Slug 3, etc. even worked, not just the early games.

In short, this is stunning emulator that makes the DS about a 1000x more valuable to me, personally. If using slot-2 RAM for loading ROMs can improve the framerate by even, say, 5fps, then speed would really be perfect for almost all games.

Hopefully the textured quad method of graphics rendering used in NeoDS can be used in SNEmulDS to solve the layering issues and in jEnesis DS to allow fullscreen scaling, too.

...word is bondage...

moo422 · Apr 30, 2008

Sweater Fish Deluxe said:
moo422 said:

n8littlefield said:

What is the use of the CPU speed option?

Click to expand...

As suggested in the readme, changing the CPU speed may result in better performance/compatibility. My personal experience with a few King of Fighters ROMs gave better framerates when underclocked.

Click to expand...

You get better framerates as reported by the emulator, but more slowdown since the CPU is now being emulated at a lower speed than it should. The net result is not much of any differenc ein how the games actually play. I think the CPU underclock option would be used for games that run at full speed with normal options, but maybe need additional processing time for things like scaling or FM emulation if that gets implemented.

I tested out about 60 games last night and only 5 or 10 wouldn't work. I was bale to get some game slike KoF'98 and World Heroes Perfect that other people had trouble with to work as well, so there seems to be something fishy going on here. I wonder if it has to do with what version of MAME your ROMset is for? I saw people saying that most games ran between 45 and 50fps and thought I wouldn't be able to handle that, but in fact, I barely noticed it in most games. It really only became a problem in games like Twinkle Star Sprites and Metal Slug that already had considerable slowdown even on the real hardware. I was especially impressed to see that games like Last Blade, KoF2002, Garou, Metal Slug 3, etc. even worked, not just the early games.

In short, this is stunning emulator that makes the DS about a 1000x more valuable to me, personally. If using slot-2 RAM for loading ROMs can improve the framerate by even, say, 5fps, then speed would really be perfect for almost all games.

Hopefully the textured quad method of graphics rendering used in NeoDS can be used in SNEmulDS to solve the layering issues and in jEnesis DS to allow fullscreen scaling, too.

...word is bondage...

I'm looking to run a similar gauntlet of tests over the next few days, and post my compatibility results up. I know that other folks ran into problems using the wrong neogeo.zip Bios -- I think I ran into the same issue at first as well.

NeoGeo Emu on the DS really is surreal -- phenomenal job by ingramb.

Bob Evil · Apr 30, 2008

One of the problems is that there are a bunch of neogeo.zip files out there ... I have about 4 different ones, and the results are better or worse, depending on which one I try ... I have found the one that works the best, in my opinion ... but I still get lock ups on Metal Slug ...

Sweater Fish Del · Apr 30, 2008

thebobevil said:
One of the problems is that there are a bunch of neogeo.zip files out there ... I have about 4 different ones, and the results are better or worse, depending on which one I try ... I have found the one that works the best, in my opinion ... but I still get lock ups on Metal Slug ...

Hm, that's interesting. I put my own neogeo.zip file together since my Neo Geo ROMs had the BIOS files merged into them. I won't distribute that BIOS file since I don't want to contribute to the problem of too many BIOSes floating around, but it would be nice to get to the bottom of these compatibility differences.

I think everyone is having the problem with Metal Slug 1. People who report it as working probably just never tried throwing a grenade. ingramb said that it was working properly at some time during development, so hopefully there's an easy fix and maybe that will also fix other games that work up to a certain point and then lock up (Sengoku 2 was one that I had that trouble with).

...word is bondage...

c2ironfist · Apr 30, 2008

Kellicros said:
c2ironfist said:

I have the same exact problem, I'm not sure whats wrong. I include the negego.zip but it has other files which is odd I downloaded others and they all contain different files too with similar ones as well. I'm stumped here.

Could you maybe write a more detailed walkthrough? I would appreciate that a lot thanks

Jimmy

Click to expand...

Ok here goes, first, put your roms and the bios into the same folder as NeoDsConvert.exe.

You do not have to extract anything, keep them in .zip.

Then, you create a shortcut for NeoDsConvert.exe

Right click on the shortcut file and go Properties on that shortcut you created.

Add one of these parameters beside the "Target" path address:

-bios0 use the euro bios
-bios1 use the euro-s1 bios
-bios2 use the us bios
-bios3 use the us-e bios
-bios4 use the asia bios
-bios5 use the japan bios
-bios6 use the japan-s2 bios
-bios7 use the japan-s1 bios
-bios8 use the uni-bios.10 bios
-bios9 use the uni-bios.11 bios
-bios10 use the debug bios
-bios11 use the asia-aes bios

E.g.: "C:\NeoDsConvert\NeoDsConvert.exe" -bios1

Click "Apply" and then "OK", and run the shortcut.

.neo files should be created, copy them into the root directory of your microsd.

Run NeoDS.nds and have fun.

thanks for the detailed info really appreciate it. I'm gonna try and see if it works thanks.
It sounds easy enough hopefully better luck this time

Jimmy

update: OMG I just played it I can't believe how good this thing is... so damn good!!!! I know there are slight slowdowns here and there but the games are defiantly playable.

I just traied blazing star and twinkle star sprites. I'm gonna try some others!!

And just recently I've been playing a hell of a lot of mega drive and master system games on the DS now its gonna be Neo Geo this is so sweet!!!!

OsCatalepticos · Apr 30, 2008

just did metal slug 5! its VERY playable small slowdown but other than that.

Jac834 · Apr 30, 2008

I'm not asking for any bios links, but does anyone know what size the correct version is? I've tried like 4 of them but none seem to work with metal slug x, which supposedly works.

Bob Evil · Apr 30, 2008

The neogeo.zip that comes with the complete GoodSet is 260kb ...

teonintyfive · Apr 30, 2008

So let me get this straight: I use MAME's mslug.zip into the converter or is it even worse?

Bob Evil · Apr 30, 2008

teonintyfive said:
So let me get this straight: I use MAME's mslug.zip into the converter or is it even worse?

Just use that .zip, and the neogeo.zip, in the converter ... you can do as many roms at once, as you like ...

Don't forget the -bios1 switch ...

OsCatalepticos · Apr 30, 2008

the neogeo.zip im using is 345 KB (353,488 bytes)

c2ironfist · Apr 30, 2008

OsCatalepticos said:
the neogeo.zip im using is 345 KB (353,488 bytes)

if you open it up and check it could be extras like website links that users put in to promote their site.

Bob Evil · Apr 30, 2008

There should only be 11 files inside the neogeo.zip ...

1996-12-24 23:32 65536 1403 000-lo.lo
1996-12-24 23:32 131072 27230 asia-s3.rom
1996-12-24 23:32 131072 15380 sfix.sfx
1996-12-24 23:32 131072 11245 sm1.sm1
1996-12-24 23:32 131072 27498 sp-e.sp1
1996-12-24 23:32 131072 28133 sp-j2.rom
1996-12-24 23:32 131072 26857 sp-s.sp1
1996-12-24 23:32 131072 27395 sp-s2.sp1
1996-12-24 23:32 131072 27562 sp1.jipan.1024
1996-12-24 23:32 131072 27339 usa_2slt.bin
1996-12-24 23:32 131072 45133 vs-bios.rom
#
# Total Size Packed Files
# 1376256 265175 11

OsCatalepticos · Apr 30, 2008

1998-10-25 14:33 131072 11289 sm1.sm1
2002-11-23 17:48 131072 23125 aes-bios.bin
2003-05-20 05:37 131072 27053 asia-s3.rom
1998-03-06 16:21 131072 17603 sfix.sfx
2001-09-17 23:20 65536 1427 000-lo.lo
2000-07-17 17:27 131072 27324 sp-e.sp1
1999-06-25 16:34 131072 27959 sp-j2.rom
2000-07-17 17:23 131072 26695 sp-s.sp1
1997-12-03 15:54 131072 27224 sp-s2.sp1
2003-05-18 22:28 131072 27165 usa_2slt.bin
1995-11-22 00:44 131072 45436 vs-bios.rom
1998-08-10 12:18 131072 35926 neodebug.rom
2003-07-28 22:07 131072 53998 uni-bios.12
#
# Total Size Packed Files
# 1638400 352224 13

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