California to require all OS providers to check a user's age and send it to app developers.

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Also, how vague is CA’s law? Doesn’t random electronic junk like Ring Doorbells and Roombas and smart picture frames technically have an OS? And how are you gonna log ages on an internet server that’s not meant to be directly interacted with by the end user? How does the age need to be logged? Lots of missing details
 
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Also, how vague is CA’s law? Doesn’t random electronic junk like Ring Doorbells and Roombas and smart picture frames technically have an OS? And how are you gonna log ages on an internet server that’s not meant to be directly interacted with by the end user? How does the age need to be logged? Lots of missing details
Age verification is designed to limit interaction between users or limiting access to content to "protect the children". It is not applicable to devices or platforms that do not facilitate interaction between users or delivering content to users.
That being said, camera doorbells collect user information in the form of photos and videos and it would be for people's benefit (not just users of said products but anybody living in the vicinity of users of said products who might be caught on their camera) if investigations were done into exactly how and when this data is collected and used. Incidents like what happened recently with the Ring doorbell superbowl ad make us worry about what else they might be doing that they aren't telling people about. And depending on how the data is collected and used could very well be breaking the law in many countries. That's a completely separate and unrelated problem to age verification but still a potential problem.
 
You know those special keyboards at airport immigration desks where you swipe a passport to read all the data on it?

With the way this is going, those are soon going to be mandatory...
 
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Quite the contrary, this is probably a good thing for anonymity. Because instead of sending your ID to every app developer all they need to know is your age group.
Having to send your ID to a central authority is not something any of us are happy about but I think we can all agree that it's better than the alternative, which we have been seeing so far in places like UK, which is the governments asking each app developer to collect ID themselves and hoping that none of them suffer a data breach.
Not having to provide any potentially identifiable information at all to use services is also good for anonymity. No, not everyone lies on these things and it has the potential to harm people.

Mark my words. This will soon require actual identification in the future, after the "testing phase" is complete.
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I'd love to see them trying to get this implemented into Linux lmao.
The threat of fines works well against mainstream distro providers, so it will be implemented unless you are using RandomOS 75163918. It will be easier to remove however, yes.
 
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Not having to provide any potentially identifiable information at all to use services is also good for anonymity. No, not everyone lies on these things and it has the potential to harm people.

Mark my words. This will soon require actual identification in the future, after the "testing phase" is complete.
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The threat of fines works well against mainstream distro providers, so it will be implemented unless you are using RandomOS 75163918. It will be easier to remove however, yes.
We're well past that already. Forced age verification has already happened, it isn't going away and it isn't going to be limited to just the UK. If we can have a system that doesn't indiscriminately require every app vendor and service to collect user ID then that's a good thing.

Discord are ahead of the curve here with their on-device age estimation attempt but whether this will be enough to appease lawmakers, who knows.
 
We're well past that already. Forced age verification has already happened and it isn't going away. If we can have a system that doesn't indiscriminately require every app vendor and service to collect user ID then that's a good thing.
There are still ways to get around forced age verification (such as don't use Discord etc or use a VPN if you are in a surveillance state), but an OS-level requirement will be hard to bypass for most non-technical users, and that's if they are on an open OS.

If (when) it requires actual identification of the user, it becomes much easier to tie activity back to a person. Massive breach of privacy and frankly dystopian. Also, this is not optional compared to "just don't browse xyz site".
 

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:mellow: just food for thought.
 
Depends on what it's for. Because if it's in order to disincentivize open source use, then they're doing a great job.

Its 2026. There is no stop the open source movement unless all the countries go full fascist/dictatorship mode and in that case this idiot law is the least of our concerns.

IF they wanted to stop open source and the Free and Open Software initiatives they should have done that in the 90's. Now its, fortunately, too late for that.
 
Its 2026. There is no stop the open source movement unless all the countries go full fascist/dictatorship mode and in that case this idiot law is the least of our concerns.

IF they wanted to stop open source and the Free and Open Software initiatives they should have done that in the 90's. Now its, fortunately, too late for that.
Well, I can tell you it's actually going that way. Britain is becoming more of a control state. My country (Denmark) is also skewing towards Digital ID and they just let the 27 other EU countries sign up to add Age Verification and Digital ID systems towards 2027-2028, and when we had the EU presidency last year and pushed forward the so-called "Chat Control" again our justice minister literally responded to backlash by saying "I think the time when people use End to End encrypted privacy needs to end."

Every country is moving towards the Chinese solution right now. A domestic firewall that blocks outside info, and VPN bans that makes it illegal and enforcable if you try to circumvent it, and get caught, which is enough to deter the majority of internet users.

And there's more huge changes coming to the global order with programmable money and other shit. The current war in Iran is already having the israelis out being like "So going forward you'll have to buy the oil through us." and what we see is just more federalization especially in europe, and therefore more centralization, and when power centralizes it takes.

Either it's Big Tech corporations turning themselves into kingdoms, or it's governments working to "digitalize" thus turning the very internet we all use into a new control grid, where rules are digitally detected and enforced through face-scan technology and cashless digital money that is 24/7 surveilled. My private bank already has AI-flagging, so I've had my credit card closed twice for trying to buy games from Play Asia, because they don't use Digital ID verification, which I can only transact for by disabling "Trusted Transactions" in the app. That means any time I'm outside of "Trusted", there's AIs scanning my transactions for patterns, and they apparently flagged Play Asia as a suspicious site, so I had to call the bank (twice) and ask them to reopen my credit card. My only method to ensure this doesn't happen again is to only use payment sites that do a Digital ID scan before the transaction.

This is happening in real time, and it's trickling and trickling everywhere, and the roadmap to 2030 is much worse than what we've already seen. If people don't genuinely protest and make change, we're all going to be so locked into digital control systems by 2030 that you can't really escape it.
 
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Well, I can tell you it's actually going that way. Britain is becoming more of a control state. My country (Denmark) is also skewing towards Digital ID and they just let the 27 other EU countries sign up to add Age Verification and Digital ID systems towards 2027-2028, and when we had the EU presidency last year and pushed forward the so-called "Chat Control" again our justice minister literally responded to backlash by saying "I think the time when people use End to End encrypted privacy needs to end."

Every country is moving towards the Chinese solution right now. A domestic firewall that blocks outside info, and VPN bans that makes it illegal and enforcable if you try to circumvent it, and get caught, which is enough to deter the majority of internet users.

And there's more huge changes coming to the global order with programmable money and other shit. The current war in Iran is already having the israelis out being like "So going forward you'll have to buy the oil through us." and what we see is just more federalization especially in europe, and therefore more centralization, and when power centralizes it takes.

Either it's Big Tech corporations turning themselves into kingdoms, or it's governments working to "digitalize" thus turning the very internet we all use into a new control grid, where rules are digitally detected and enforced through face-scan technology and cashless digital money that is 24/7 surveilled. My private bank already has AI-flagging, so I've had my credit card closed twice for trying to buy games from Play Asia, because they don't use Digital ID verification, which I can only transact for by disabling "Trusted Transactions" in the app. That means any time I'm outside of "Trusted", there's AIs scanning my transactions for patterns, and they apparently flagged Play Asia as a suspicious site, so I had to call the bank (twice) and ask them to reopen my credit card. My only method to ensure this doesn't happen again is to only use payment sites that do a Digital ID scan before the transaction.

This is happening in real time, and it's trickling and trickling everywhere, and the roadmap to 2030 is much worse than what we've already seen. If people don't genuinely protest and make change, we're all going to be so locked into digital control systems by 2030 that you can't really escape it.

Yes that is the fascists dream, fortunately the open source nature of the Linux Kernel and GNU projects will make that impossible.

Unless of course we all start living in fascists regimes. In that case is game over.
 
Yes that is the fascists dream, fortunately the open source nature of the Linux Kernel and GNU projects will make that impossible.

Unless of course we all start living in fascists regimes. In that case is game over.
Which I think will happen, because we've had China for a decade or more now, showing us an example where a form of communism actually works. It's authoritarian, it's economically more viable than our own business at this point, and it's peaceful for anybody who complies to it, which is unusually high.

That's the go-ahead signal for the rest of the world's leaders that you don't need to be democratic or liberal to succeed, and I think all of the world's elites, both in europe as well as the US, look to that and go "well shit, why do we waste our time flinging shit at each other in 4-year election intervals if we can just do THAT instead?" Xi Jinping inspires a lot of western successors to be more like a CCP leader already.
 
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Which I think will happen, because we've had China for a decade or more now, showing us an example where a form of communism actually works. It's authoritarian, it's economically more viable than our own business at this point, and it's peaceful for anybody who complies to it, which is unusually high.

That's the go-ahead signal for the rest of the world's leaders that you don't need to be democratic or liberal to succeed, and I think all of the world's elites, both in europe as well as the US, look to that and go "well shit, why do we waste our time flinging shit at each other in 4-year election intervals if we can just do THAT instead?" Xi Jinping inspires a lot of western successors to be more like a CCP leader already.

Sadly i have to agree.
The world is heading to a dystopian state, while the imbeciles continue to watch TikToks of "influencers" in Dubai and creating AI slop.

i hate this timeline >:(
 
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