Gaming Super Mario Kart Wii free of snaking

.TakaM · Apr 2, 2008

MADKATZ99 said:
Believe me, the majority of snakers absolutley hate racing people that dont snake for the reason that you mentioned - theres no challenge. Theres going to be the odd noob racer or two that only cares about winning, so they try to snake to get in front. Which there isnt really nothing wrong with, you have to start somwhere. But all experienced players dont like playing somone less experienced ie. non snaker

Kind of like any game. You'd rather verse people your own leval because its more fun, and more of a challenge. Pretty sure thats why anti-snakers hate snaking, they just want to have a fun close race, so they get angry when they're matched up with a snaker. But no one thinks about us, its the same deal, we want a fun close match too so thats why we dont like getting paired up with non snakers.

Theoretically simply not snaking against them would still keep the match close. But it doesnt keep it fun for us.. Like going from a ferrari to a VW its as slow as hell. And you cant just 'switch off' and not be awesome to adjust to your opponent. Another reason why its not going to be close, is because a skilled snaker not snaking isnt going to change and leval the playing fieild, the most experienced/skilled person is going to win regardless. Mostly all the time thats the snaker because we play the game more, and to get good at anything you have to do it a lot.

Me saying somones a snaker doesnt mean they are good either... Some people dead set suck at it, and they would be better off racing normally because they try to do it EVERYWHERE on the track, and dont bother taking tight turns etc.

You cant get AI into this either... I could get 5 stars on GP without looking at the top screen once. Thats some dodgy AI.

Up for my FS challenge vampire hunter?

very admirable.

I've kinda got carried away with this, because like I said, I haven't played MKDS online in a long time.. or even offline, it's just back when I did, snakers were always very aggressive and non-snakers eventually gave up trying to get their point across.

And like I've said, I liked snaking, I never liked doing it against other people who couldn't, but whenever I found a snaker thinking they're hot shit, I loved to snake them into the ground.
I'd prefer nintendo to be able to match ranks better, but I would never really expect them to, and removing snaking is basically the other solution.

It's like when people repeatedly bash the halo series, I'm not a huge fanatic about halo, but I've had a lot of fun playing it with my friends, I really don't care for it outside of multiplayer, but I'll always stick up for it when people say it's far worse than it actually is.

Basically, my main problem with snaking, is that most people who do it seem to think like this:QUOTE(teH XeRO @ Apr 2 2008, 04:53 PM) lol these snaking vs non-snaking wars get so ridiculous. fact of the matter is this: snaking is legit and people cry because they can't or refuse to do it and lose to people who do all because they want to "play for fun." well get this, a lot of people play to win and dont care about how much fun you're having, and as long as they are winning, then they are having fun.

VmprHntrD · Apr 2, 2008

See now that worked out well now didn't it?

I do have to wonder though is it fair to call someone who loses to a snaker as a sore loser, because equally so, one who complains about those who won't could be just a bad sore winner by doing it in spite or whatever reason just to get it over with already.

See that's why I like the Wii game in theory because they have more options installed to the online component to create some better rules and matching to have it just more interesting and flat out equal paying field based on skill and luck just how MK traditionally was. As far as what options and the rest, and if they screwed up and missed something not many of us will know for weeks into the release of the game on the major markets.

I just wish the argument would die and those who snake would stop confusing the issue in this game or any other as some 'advanced technique' as it's not, it's just using an oversight left in the game outside the known standard variables of the title. I'm not saying you're a cheat, a loser, a jackass or the rest, just saying it's not standard fare for the title, and with that known that is why a lot of non-snaker, wave dasher, etc people get pissed to hell when they end up online against something they will never beat sucking the fun out of it because as much as they would be considered by those types as sore losers, those who exploit the world would be equally seen as a sore winner. It's all relative and equal.

AND MADKATZ...I can't do your challenge. I got rid of the game quite a few months ago. Admittedly there were two reasons. One was that the 150CC game pissed me off as it was some really crap rigged AI and then online between the snaking, teleporting or whatever issues with movement, and then some AR using asses cheating I quit playing the game all together as 1P mode on 100CC got boring. When I could race though and do your time challenge mode I'd probably have hit that or came damn close to it as I could race tight on those courses.

A1M2N4 · Apr 3, 2008

Vampire Hunter D said:
See now that worked out well now didn't it?

I do have to wonder though is it fair to call someone who loses to a snaker as a sore loser, because equally so, one who complains about those who won't could be just a bad sore winner by doing it in spite or whatever reason just to get it over with already.

See that's why I like the Wii game in theory because they have more options installed to the online component to create some better rules and matching to have it just more interesting and flat out equal paying field based on skill and luck just how MK traditionally was. As far as what options and the rest, and if they screwed up and missed something not many of us will know for weeks into the release of the game on the major markets.

I just wish the argument would die and those who snake would stop confusing the issue in this game or any other as some 'advanced technique' as it's not, it's just using an oversight left in the game outside the known standard variables of the title. I'm not saying you're a cheat, a loser, a jackass or the rest, just saying it's not standard fare for the title, and with that known that is why a lot of non-snaker, wave dasher, etc people get pissed to hell when they end up online against something they will never beat sucking the fun out of it because as much as they would be considered by those types as sore losers, those who exploit the world would be equally seen as a sore winner. It's all relative and equal.

AND MADKATZ...I can't do your challenge. I got rid of the game quite a few months ago. Admittedly there were two reasons. One was that the 150CC game pissed me off as it was some really crap rigged AI and then online between the snaking, teleporting or whatever issues with movement, and then some AR using asses cheating I quit playing the game all together as 1P mode on 100CC got boring. When I could race though and do your time challenge mode I'd probably have hit that or came damn close to it as I could race tight on those courses.

Yup, complaining won't really solve much for either sides. And us complaining about something you guys do is just as bad as you guys complaining about us.
I don't think it's an "advanced technique". I consider PRB an advanced technique (though I also consider it a glitch), but snaking isn't, since it's taking the game's mechanics and doing absolutely nothing different with them besides using them more.
I don't think I'm a sore loser for snaking. I could be something else, but by (my at least) definition of sore loser, I would think it would mean that I'm snaking only so I could win and don't wanna lose, only so I could be the best, etc. But like I said I do it because it's fun for me. And abidding by the "beliefs" of anti-snakers would just ruin the fun for me as much as snaking ruins it for them.
But I guess it depends on what you look at as a sore loser, we can have different views on the meaning.
But it's not like non-snakers don't have options. Like we have options to look for big names and play friends, they have as well. Like I said, it's obvious there are a lot of non-snakers here so they options are right in front of them to begin with.

And yeah, I'm glad it worked out well, that's what I like about discussions

sidneyyoung · Apr 3, 2008

MADKATZ99 · Apr 3, 2008

@ Taka: glad we sorted that out.

Vampire Hunter D said:
AND MADKATZ...I can't do your challenge. I got rid of the game quite a few months ago. Admittedly there were two reasons. One was that the 150CC game pissed me off as it was some really crap rigged AI and then online between the snaking, teleporting or whatever issues with movement, and then some AR using asses cheating I quit playing the game all together as 1P mode on 100CC got boring. When I could race though and do your time challenge mode I'd probably have hit that or came damn close to it as I could race tight on those courses.

... Can you download it? I guess its probly not worth your time if you dont like playing the game anyway.

Yeah lag was a big downfall with the game, but I was expecting it and its not really a big deal in a racing game. Sometimes it will say they're behind me, then the losing music will play and say I came second... which really sucked at first, but then I think well he obviously must have raced faster than me to beat me to the line and its not his fault it was a laggy connection, so it doesnt really bother me luckily. AR users are the scum of the earth!!! well the ones that 150cc hack are anyway. AR did bring out the best in this game for time trials though.. theres a 'live replay' code that shows the replay how it was originally seen when you were racing instead of those fancy angles which is very helpful to learn somones strat. You may have been able to beat it, but you'll need to do a lot better than racing tight XD

Anyway... Fresh start on Mkwii!

Hitto · Apr 3, 2008

Vampire Hunter D said:
And Hitto loved that little line there trying to assume someone who has picked up MK since 'Super' regardless will buy it just because it is mario kart. After how bad the 150cc AI was in the DS+snaking online, the overally horrid design of the GC one, and then the mediocrity of the GBA title this game probably will be my last. I may or may not even buy it when it comes out waiting to see comments on how it is handled by owners (not suckup reviewers) and to see if there's another oversight online too. I feel if they blew this one too I'm done with it. I tend to have a 3 strikes rule with game series stuff and Mario Kart is up to 2 by my count (1/2 for the GC/GBA and a full for DS.) I hate doing that but I'm not made of money living at home like 10years ago so I have to pick and choose and so far Megaman, Kirby, and a few others are dead to me and Starfox, Metroid, MKart, and a few others are on the last chance.

The up side though is it leaves me money to try out new and more ambitious projects I'd have otherwise ignored due to funds and time.

So basically, you already hate the mario kart series and you want it to change for you. GBA MK was a decent one if you'd have played the SNES original, it's pretty much the same vibe (unless you're like "oh but there was no feather item, it ruined the game for me"). But yeah, I'll agree that Double Dash was mario kart in name only.
I'm not gonna post anything longer, these walls of text sicken me and this thread was dead already.

VmprHntrD · Apr 4, 2008

Actually I just wasn't much of a fan of the track design and felt burned by the stripped SNES tracks, feather could give a crap about.

KATZ: As of now I do not have a copier card, never got around to getting a DS one like I did with the Bung device for GB/C and the F2A I had for GBA. I didn't like the earlier designs with all the hacking or multiple pieces involved and higher cost. Now, I am thinking of getting one, but I kind of am unsure what would be best. As you can see from the history there on older things I like ones that just work and i don't need to involve myself with damned patches for every frigging game and/or save memory type.

Had I a flash card though, actually I would reburn the sucker since I technically own a license to it still.

(very technically)

MADKATZ99 · Apr 4, 2008

IMO MK64 is still the best mario kart. The GBA version looked great but it felt so weird and I didnt like it much.. Then again I only played it for a few mins, so I cant really give it solid judgement. You wouldnt say MKDD was a failure, but I agree it wasnt very top notch.

If your not a fan of patching stuff I would say R4 would be the go if you still wanted to get one.. Most the games work perfectly, and all you do is drag and drop the ROM and your good to go. I bought one for my cousins birthday.

I still use the good ole supercard SD

Its never let me down... You rarely need to update software and firmware, but when you do its not a hassle and only takes a couple of clicks. Its nice and straightforward layout. But you do need a pass card or a flashed DS which was the only downfall.. but thats what you get with earlier designs.

.TakaM · Apr 4, 2008

I feel like putting in my 2 cents.

Super Mario Kart:
loved the crap out of it, an absolute classic, no way anyone could hate it.

Mario Kart 64:
Always felt kinda hollow to me, sure I've got plenty of great memories with it, but I felt like I had to compromise to enjoy it.
And it hasn't aged well in any aspect.

Mario Kart Super Circuit:
One of my first GBA games I bought and I loved it, even when the battery died and I could no longer save (there were a few courses I had yet to unlock >_

VmprHntrD · Apr 4, 2008

Hmmm R4 was what I was assuming was the most like the easy to drag and drop use F2A 256USB I had.

As far as MK goes I've had them all. I still consider the original my fav just because the AI never played it cheap (rubberband ai, everyone gangs up only on you, etc) and I like the course layouts, but the N64 was a very close second. The GBA one like I said was ok, but I didn't get into it for very long just because it lacked...something. The GC title I didn't like at all as the courses to me were not that fun, didn't like the new feel with the doubles or much the rest. And then the DS is total love/hate...Love it on 50/100cc but hated the cheap 150cc where it's 7 against 1 and they seemingly only beat on your ass to keep you in 2nd at best...and well we went over online already.

I think if I were inspired enough to ever get a GB Micro I'd perhaps bag the GBA game again for another go at it, but as is I don't have that one either and I just have a sealed up NES style GBA unit I've rarely used (few hours) and I'm considering ebay'ing it or something as it's rare (only 250K produced.)

VmprHntrD · Apr 5, 2008

Hah double post... I decided to soften up a bit on Mario Kart for the GBA and start it over from scratch on a whim today. Went to dump some old stuff at this local cool store that gives great trade-in value and fair pricing. Found a complete nicely boxed up GBA MK for $15 and grabbed it. I dunno if it's just retry tinglies right now but it really isn't so bad...better than the GC for sure, not so sure on DS track selection wise but AI/gameplay ya.

MADKATZ99 · Apr 5, 2008

Vampire Hunter D said:
Hah double post... I decided to soften up a bit on Mario Kart for the GBA and start it over from scratch on a whim today. Went to dump some old stuff at this local cool store that gives great trade-in value and fair pricing. Found a complete nicely boxed up GBA MK for $15 and grabbed it. I dunno if it's just retry tinglies right now but it really isn't so bad...better than the GC for sure, not so sure on DS track selection wise but AI/gameplay ya.

I dont know if your interested, but if you want to get the most out of the game you should try out some time trials! This is the biggest MKSC community http://www.mariokart64.com/mksc/ with leaderboards and rankings and stuff...
.. however theres a thing called ZZMT'ing, which is zig zag snaking pretty much that you might not like

But I thought you might like competing with other people in times... GP gets boring pretty fast.

jesterscourt · Apr 6, 2008

I'm not bothering to read this whole thread, but snaking wasn't a bug or glitch in the DS version. In an interview, the big N admitted it was in there for "advanced players"...Unfortunately it broke the game for casual players, or people that didn't want to mash the D-pad like a maniac (or people that had NDSL which made it harder to powerslide over and over)

MADKATZ99 · Apr 6, 2008

jesterscourt said:
I'm not bothering to read this whole thread, but snaking wasn't a bug or glitch in the DS version. In an interview, the big N admitted it was in there for "advanced players"...Unfortunately it broke the game for casual players, or people that didn't want to mash the D-pad like a maniac (or people that had NDSL which made it harder to powerslide over and over)

Yeah, but your too late, everythings pretty much cleared up now... It's common sence it isnt a bug or a glitch... But people were arguing that it isnt the proper way to play the game, and its unfair to people that dont snake. The rail short cut on rainbow road in my video is a good example of one of MKDS's glitches. And the luigi mansion stairs glitch is another one (where you hold A and B on the steps it will freeze your game)

MKDS is the exact same game for casual players too, its not 'broken' just because your a casual player. You can play the game easiliy without powersliding on straights... nothing broken there. Only thing that could be considered broken is the non-existance of a proper match up system on wifi.
There have been plenty of world records set with DS lites, its just personal preference which one is better. Allthough everyone will agree the old DS's R button is a lot more durable.

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