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Donald Trump indicted on federal charges related to handling of classified documents

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They've literally played the tape on cable news multiple times recently, doofus. After all these years and you're still shilling for the dumbest, most obese sack of shit to ever disgrace the face of this Earth. Hard to fathom anything possibly being more pathetic than that.
I'm sure they played the entire tape. Maybe they doctored it like the J6 committee did with video footage of the Capitol.
Trump's biggest enemy has always been himself, dude doesn't even pay his lawyers and two more of them quit today. He's always been a beneficiary of the broken capitalist system since the moment he was born, and you're a fool to think he'd take any action which might damage it.
Two of his lawyers quit because they are not licensed to practice law in Florida. Try and read beyond the headlines. You might actually create a wrinkle or two in that brain of yours.
 

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Can't wait to watch this shit show unfold lmao.
 

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At least the left is honest about using lawfare against political enemies. Totally not fascist though. Not fascist at all.
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Just like Hillary's server. Troll expert achieved.
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I don't remember Julius or Ethel Rosenberg being Commander In Chief with the ability to declassify any document he wishes.
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We respect the republic.
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Wait till he starts rewriting your words and quoting them like you said them. He's already pulled that shit on me a few days ago. Can't believe GBATemp allows altering what other people write.
Those charged in the probe committed crimes and were found guilty of crimes. That's how it works. Don't you MAGAs like to claim you're the party of law and order 🤔
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Trader Pat has demonstrated numerous times in this thread and others that a reasonable or intelligent discussion simply isn't going to be possible because they aren't a reasonable or intelligent person.

That does apply to all MAGAs though 🤷‍♂️
 

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Those charged in the probe committed crimes and were found guilty of crimes. That's how it works. Don't you MAGAs like to claim you're the party of law and order 🤔
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Trader Pat has demonstrated numerous times in this thread and others that a reasonable or intelligent discussion simply isn't going to be possible because they aren't a reasonable or intelligent person.

That does apply to all MAGAs though 🤷‍♂️
That's the problem with the MAGA cult. They will never be wrong, even when the evidence is right there in their faces.
 

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That's the problem with the MAGA cult. They will never be wrong, even when the evidence is right there in their faces.
MAGAs are known for being unintelligent.

It's no shock that when viewing IQ by county the lowest IQs in tht nation are always counties that overwhelmingly voted for Trump.
 
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Those charged in the probe committed crimes and were found guilty of crimes. That's how it works. Don't you MAGAs like to claim you're the party of law and order 🤔
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What crimes? Process crimes? Those are some hard hitting indictments.
Trader Pat has demonstrated numerous times in this thread and others that a reasonable or intelligent discussion simply isn't going to be possible because they aren't a reasonable or intelligent person.

That does apply to all MAGAs though 🤷‍♂️
The key to an intelligent conversation is always the first to use personal attacks. It makes up for the lack of facts the left possess.
 
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Not gonna respond to TraitorPat's cope posts right now, just gonna start collecting them.
Since you never provide any facts, it would be wise to not respond to me. This is a decision you should have made a very long time ago. It would have saved you a lot of embarrassment.
 
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Since you never provide any facts, it would be wise to not respond to me. This is a decision you should have made a very long time ago. It would have saved you a lot of embarrassment.
Not responding to you is the only intelligent suggestion you've ever made as you're one of the dumbest people I've ever had the displeasure of interacting with
 

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Since you never provide any facts, it would be wise to not respond to me. This is a decision you should have made a very long time ago. It would have saved you a lot of embarrassment.
You're right, I should've stopped humoring you by pretending you had any salient points to make years ago. The fact that you're still willing to sacrifice all your credibility defending a corrupt East coast elitist even after this shows that you aren't and never were worth taking seriously. Just another loser conservative who wants so badly to fit in with the counterculture, but isn't willing to drop all the racism and classism to do it.
 
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You're right, I should've stopped humoring you by pretending you had any salient points to make years ago. The fact that you're still willing to sacrifice all your credibility defending a corrupt East coast elitist even after this shows that you aren't and never were worth taking seriously. Just another loser conservative who wants so badly to fit in with the counterculture, but isn't willing to drop all the racism and classism to do it.
Absolutely savage lmao
 
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... His only mistake was not leaving a paper trail, but if we interpret the law as it is written, Trump could declassify any document at any time - whatever he says is declassified is in fact declassified. He just didn’t tell anyone, so it’s an unprovable claim.
Appears to be false. Also a rather interesting defense of "equal justice under the law" and apologetics for the authoritarian right. Trump was aware that there is a legal process involved in declassification that applied to him, even as president. This article is written by one of the people who wrote Executive Order (EO) 13526:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/10/opinions/declassification-rules-trump-legal-jeopardy-eisen/index.html

The problem for Trump is that EO 13526 is central to knocking down every variation of his defense that his retention of the documents was somehow authorized. It sets up a declassification process that applies to everyone — even the president — and it says nothing about automatic presidential declassification.

According to the indictment, Trump acknowledged in one recorded conversation that the classification rules apply to him and that he was aware of and followed them while in office (including the ones I helped write). Indeed, in the quoted conversation, Trump showed a classified document to others after his presidency and admitted that it was still classified, and he no longer had the power to declassify it. No wonder Trump and his allies may be willing to make this automatic declassification argument on cable television, but he and his lawyers have so far not been ready to advance it in court filings or arguments, where they would face penalties for false statements.

Trump’s claims that the Presidential Records Act (PRA) justifies his behavior doesn’t pass muster because that statute doesn’t actually have anything to do with the critical question of whether his possession of these documents was authorized — the executive order covers that. Yet Trump and his legal team claim that the PRA applies, arguing that the PRA, which provides in general terms for the handling of government documents by ex-presidents, allows Trump to decide unilaterally if any document is personal, and thus legally hold onto it.

But the statute nowhere stretches the definition of personal documents to encompass our nation’s most sensitive secrets. On the contrary, personal documents are defined as “purely private” ones which “do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the … duties of the President.”

Trump’s position ignores that, trying to dodge the actual law that applies — the executive order. Even though Obama was no longer in office when Trump allegedly took documents to Mar-a-Lago, his executive order was and is still in effect, and nothing in the PRA contradicts it.

Thus, the handling of any classified document, no matter its status under the PRA, is also subject to the limits of the executive order — which Trump did not appear to follow, according to the indictment.
 
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Appears to be false. Also a rather interesting defense of "equal justice under the law" and apologetics for the authoritarian right. Trump was aware that there is a legal process involved in declassification that applied to him, even as president. This article is written by one of the people who wrote Executive Order (EO) 13526:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/10/opinions/declassification-rules-trump-legal-jeopardy-eisen/index.html
Trump was also Chief Executive, lest we forget. To him, this was purely an “Executive Suggestion”. Once again, this power is granted by the constitution and based on Article 2. It trumps (ha!) any other existing legislation or process. There’s Supreme Court precedent for it, too.

https://www.politifact.com/factchec...resident-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/

The problem lies entirely in the fact that Trump didn’t follow any associated procedure, so there’s no *evidence* that he declassified anything. He can *say* that he declassified a document, but that’s just his word. He’s not the Chief Executive *anymore*, so what he says *now* about something he did in the past may or may not be true - a court would have to establish that in the course of the proceedings. With that being said, his defense based on the PRA is a little odd - he doesn’t have to go that route to justify it and I don’t know why his legal team chose that path. This isn’t likely to work in court.

Not sure why you’re sliding in a little jab about equal justice under the law from our previous conversation - it’s entirely irrelevant, but if it was relevant, the principle would apply and the stance is logically consistent. This is a power vested in the office, not in a specific person - it applies to any president, not just Trump. It would apply to you if you were president. Anyone who becomes president enjoys presidential privilege while they hold their station, there’s nothing “unequal” about it.
 

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It's pretty simple. It is hypocritical to claim to advocate equal justice under the law whilst simultaneously supporting/defending a narcissist/sociopath who has a long history of using his wealth, power, and privilege and a team of lawyers to avoid prosecution/conviction for countless criminal acts that would have landed most Americans in prison. A true advocate of equal justice would find Trump's Teflon legal immunity to be a chilling example of the opposite. However, such support makes sense under the notion that one's political goals are served by just such an individual, as long as they remain legally shielded, in clear disregard of such lofty ideological principles. Thankfully, after decades of stonewalling and millions in legal deflection, the charges and convictions are finally starting to catch up with the long list of crimes. Few Americans are able to afford this level of blatant inequality under the law. So, it would be better to be honest here and just say that equality under the law has the appearance of being a nice libertarian campaign slogan, while in practice Machiavellian political expediency is the true modus operandi.
 
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