Final Fantasy 7 Remake Part 2, FF7 Rebirth, releases early 2024



Square Enix is finally ready to offer an update to the Final Fantasy 7 Remake. Final Fantasy 7: Rebirth, has gotten a new 3-minute trailer showing story and gameplay. The game will release as a PlayStation 5 exclusive, and will be a two-disc release. Rebirth will launch sometime in early 2024.

LOS ANGELES (June 8, 2023) As a part of today’s Summer Game Fest Live show, SQUARE ENIX® revealed a new gameplay trailer for FINAL FANTASY® VII REBIRTH, the highly anticipated new story in the critically acclaimed FINAL FANTASY VII remake project. The trailer teased the game’s mysterious story elements, thrilling combat and expansive world that players can look forward to experiencing in early 2024.

A new trailer for the upcoming mobile game FINAL FANTASY VII EVER CRISIS also debuted, announcing the start of pre-registration* on the App Store and Google Play. By pre-registering on an Android device, users will have the chance to participate in an upcoming closed beta test planned for July 6-13, 2023 (PST)**. FINAL FANTASY VII EVER CRISIS is a chapter-structured RPG experience that will cover key elements of the FINAL FANTASY VII timeline, including the events of the original game, plus new story elements penned by FINAL FANTASY VII REMAKE story and scenario writer Kazushige Nojima surrounding a young hero, Sephiroth.
 

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Only click this spoiler if you played the first part and can explain something for me.

Can someone explain to me how Tifa really died in the first part or if she is going to die in the 2nd game? I mean like is this like a whole new FF7 series rebooted or something and not a real remake? Feel free to post how she died in a spoiler tag if needed as I didn't play the game and while I don't mind being spoiled others may hate to be spoiled.
So, you need to remember that we're dealing with a Multiverse here, and these parallel worlds matter. The original FF7 is its own timeline, as is the one where Zack survived Order 66 far as we can tell.

The implication here is this Tifa is not from this Timeline. Same as the timeline where we saw the corpses of everyone (except Cloud) after the end of the last game is not from the 7R timeline. Basically by killing the Fate-like ghosts from 7R1, we legit created a full blown multiverse.

The bigger implication is somehow, after 7AC, Sephiroth obtained the ability to time travel, and in doing so, started destabilizing the timeline, and thus 7R1 occurs. 7R1's differences are spawned from when Sephiroth begins acting differently and affecting people we can presume following his fall into the life stream during Crisis Core and proper 'enfusement' with the substance- which is why Crisis Core is still entirely the same in the remake in terms of events.

Thus there's an implication that 'our' Tifa is not this world's Tifa, as Sephiroth outright killed her he's implying.

Of course, the timeline up until 7R1's end was hostile to errors and would fix them via the Ghosts, aggressively. Ergo, the Fates step in to ensure the FF7 Classic 'timeline' occurs to most success.
 

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PS5 only? So, they sold demo on ps4?

FY, I'm gonna sell FF7R and play new one on youtube:creep:
 
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So, you need to remember that we're dealing with a Multiverse here, and these parallel worlds matter. The original FF7 is its own timeline, as is the one where Zack survived Order 66 far as we can tell.

The implication here is this Tifa is not from this Timeline. Same as the timeline where we saw the corpses of everyone (except Cloud) after the end of the last game is not from the 7R timeline. Basically by killing the Fate-like ghosts from 7R1, we legit created a full blown multiverse.

The bigger implication is somehow, after 7AC, Sephiroth obtained the ability to time travel, and in doing so, started destabilizing the timeline, and thus 7R1 occurs. 7R1's differences are spawned from when Sephiroth begins acting differently and affecting people we can presume following his fall into the life stream during Crisis Core and proper 'enfusement' with the substance- which is why Crisis Core is still entirely the same in the remake in terms of events.

Thus there's an implication that 'our' Tifa is not this world's Tifa, as Sephiroth outright killed her he's implying.

Of course, the timeline up until 7R1's end was hostile to errors and would fix them via the Ghosts, aggressively. Ergo, the Fates step in to ensure the FF7 Classic 'timeline' occurs to most success.

About FF7R Story:

I think Tifa died the same way Sephiroth died in the Mako reactor. The life streambrought them both back, perhaps, as it is suggested.

About Multiverse:

I don't think the game is focusing on a multiverse theme as much as it is a "can we challenge fate" theme. I don't think Sephiroth or Tifa are "intruders" from another timeline.
 

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I think Tifa is died the same way Sepherorth died in the Mako reactor. The life stream brought them both back, perhaps.

About Multiverse:

I don't think the game is focusing on a multiverse theme as much as it is a "can we challenge fate" theme. I don't think Sephiroth or Tifa are "intruders" from another timeline.
No, at this point we are definitively working on a multiverse-theorem situation. The 'alternate' mascot design in the Zack survival timeline, on top of the survival of Zack, the 'deaths' at the start of the trailer, etc. We also know for fact that the Sephiroth Clones were directly referenced in the Fate/Whisper-Warriors fought during the final boss rush. We also see Aerith blatantly aware of things, multiple times, without being told of them, implying she's viewing knowledge from FF7 classic via her connection to the Life Stream. We're also left with the hint that Sephiroth hijacked control of them multiple times including his own 'bursting into Whispers'.

(Edit: This is ignoring that the big Whisper shows us scenes from AC outright)

If we were only working with 'challenging Fate', we wouldn't have details like the different Mascot Dog, for example. We're definitely working within a Multiversal Framework.
 

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No, at this point we are definitively working on a multiverse-theorem situation. The 'alternate' mascot design in the Zack survival timeline, on top of the survival of Zack, the 'deaths' at the start of the trailer, etc. We also know for fact that the Sephiroth Clones were directly referenced in the Fate/Whisper-Warriors fought during the final boss rush. We also see Aerith blatantly aware of things, multiple times, without being told of them, implying she's viewing knowledge from FF7 classic via her connection to the Life Stream. We're also left with the hint that Sephiroth hijacked control of them multiple times including his own 'bursting into Whispers'.

(Edit: This is ignoring that the big Whisper shows us scenes from AC outright)

If we were only working with 'challenging Fate', we wouldn't have details like the different Mascot Dog, for example. We're definitely working within a Multiversal Framework.
To the audience, who is aware of the existence of a different story-telling, it appears to be multiverse. To the characters in the game, it appears that "fate" is trying to ensure a certain outcome. Whether the events in the visions actually occurred before, should have occurred, are supposed to occur, or have occurred in another timeline are grey areas that would clarify if it is a fate or a multiverse scenario. It is an assumption that multiverse is the premise. I doubt FF7R is going the way of the Matrix, but we don't know. I think it is a "challenging fate" scenario, and the easiest way to sell a surviving Aerith plot-line.
 

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To the audience, who is aware of the existence of a different story-telling, it appears to be multiverse. To the characters in the game, it appears that "fate" is trying to ensure a certain outcome. Whether the events in the visions actually occurred before, should have occurred, are supposed to occur, or have occurred in another timeline are grey areas that would clarify if it is a fate or a multiverse scenario. It is an assumption that multiverse is the premise.
Adventt Children is part of the 'intended' Fate, ergo those visions were intentionally shown to the protagonists. And considering Sephiroth's implied control, it is Sephiroth's memories leaking through what lack of absolute control he has over the Whispers.

But then you got to remember the protagonists weren't shown Zack's survival cutscene. Admittably, we don't know the context fully for the 'died during FF7R1 ending' from the trailer.

And again, you're failing to address the elephant in the room. Without a multiverse, the different mascot design makes no sense. We know that it isn't a case of 'old' design, we've seen old uses of the mascot and it hasn't changed. Supposedly the same design has been in use since, at latest, the Wutai War. And Zack's placement in the timeline isn't that far before FF7R1 starts enough to rationalize a new design. And the different design isn't a mistake - Nomura designed those designs himself as it's meant to be important according to his words.

At this point, you're simply saying 'nah this is how it is' while ignoring the massive stack of evidence saying 'but it's this'.
 

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Adventt Children is part of the 'intended' Fate, ergo those visions were intentionally shown to the protagonists. And considering Sephiroth's implied control, it is Sephiroth's memories leaking through what lack of absolute control he has over the Whispers.

But then you got to remember the protagonists weren't shown Zack's survival cutscene. Admittably, we don't know the context fully for the 'died during FF7R1 ending' from the trailer.

And again, you're failing to address the elephant in the room. Without a multiverse, the different mascot design makes no sense. We know that it isn't a case of 'old' design, we've seen old uses of the mascot and it hasn't changed. Supposedly the same design has been in use since, at latest, the Wutai War. And Zack's placement in the timeline isn't that far before FF7R1 starts enough to rationalize a new design. And the different design isn't a mistake - Nomura designed those designs himself as it's meant to be important according to his words.

At this point, you're simply saying 'nah this is how it is' while ignoring the massive stack of evidence saying 'but it's this'.
I'm still not sure what you mean by "changed mascot" but this is a "remake" or a "retelling". I am saying "this is what we know" and your "stack of evidence" is inconclusive, and you know it, which is why you raised the question. Multiverse isn't definitely the narrative, but they may play on the nuances of fate vs multiverse. Just because they used footage from other games doesn't mean that their respective canons are validated and considered to have happened.
 
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I'm still not sure what you mean by "changed mascot" but this is a "remake" or a "retelling". I am saying "this is what we know" and your "stack of evidence" is inconclusive, and you know, which is why you raised the question. Multiverse isn't definitely the narrative, but they may play on the nuances of fate vs multiverse. Just because they used footage from other games doesn't mean that their respective canons are validated.
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The first is during the Yuffie INTERmission story and the design seen throughout the game. The 2nd's the version seen during the "Zack survives" Stinger in the ending. And again, we know the Devs are making a deal about, quote: "the Dog's breed being different during the scene in the ending with [Zack]" (paraphrased).

Just because they used footage from other games doesn't mean that their respective canons are validated.
They didn't use footage from another game, they used it from Advent Children - a Movie set YEARS after FF7. The Whispers use the combat styles of the Sephiroth Clones. And after that bossfight where the Whispers (and hence guardians of Fate) are defeated, and only after that boss fight, do they begin showing/mentioning these abnormal events that conflict with established fate (Zack surviving Crisis Core. The team dying during FF7R1 finale, Tifa being 'dead'). There is no longer 'one' history, as the Whispers, and Fate, have been broken.

At this point I am done discussing, as it is clear you didn't come to the discussion with an honest study of the subject.
 

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The first is during the Yuffie INTERmission story and the design seen throughout the game. The 2nd's the version seen during the "Zack survives" Stinger in the ending. And again, we know the Devs are making a deal about, quote: "the Dog's breed being different during the scene in the ending with [Zack]" (paraphrased).


They didn't use footage from another game, they used it from Advent Children - a Movie set YEARS after FF7. The Whispers use the combat styles of the Sephiroth Clones. And after that bossfight where the Whispers (and hence guardians of Fate) are defeated, and only after that boss fight, do they begin showing/mentioning these abnormal events that conflict with established fate (Zack surviving Crisis Core. The team dying during FF7R1 finale, Tifa being 'dead'). There is no longer 'one' history, as the Whispers, and Fate, have been broken.

At this point I am done discussing, as it is clear you didn't come to the discussion with an honest study of the subject.
You aren't accepting the game as it is. You are the one associating it with external media. To you, the multiverse must exist for there to be "consistency" among them, but nobody said that there is consistency. There doesn't need to be consistency. It's a remake. It says in the title that they will contradict the previous story. In the context of FFVIIR, a story that doesn't actually refer to outside media, there is no reason to assume other FF games (or movies) are canonically attached. If you had honestly studied things, I'd feel like this conversation would have been a more authentic. Thanks for being a dickhole.
 
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You aren't accepting the game as it is. You are the one associating it with external media. To you, the multiverse must exist for there to be "consistency" among them. There doesn't need to be. Maybe it's just SE's intent to make the story better? Sorry I'm not being honest enough for you, dick.
Whatever that whole conversation is about, if it's only the two of you who are talking to each other in spoilers, you may just as well move your discussion to another thread or discuss it privately.

That being said, I'm also one of those who'd rather enjoy the complete experience. I can wait for the 250GB complete collection on PC. I'm quite sure that due to assets being reused in all three games there's a lot of disk space to be saved when bundling all of them into what's essentially one huge game.
 
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Whatever that whole conversation is about, if it's only the two of you who are talking to each other in spoilers, you may just as well move your discussion to another thread or discuss it privately.
It was about FF7R part 2 and may contain undesired spoilers. If the spoiler tag is offensive to you, you can just click it and see what's being said.
 

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I'll be waiting for FF7R Final Version Complete Mix +Extras 4.188... = pi *1.3333... and Knuckles featuring Dante.
Before even starting those games.

If there's one thing I hate, is drip-fed DLC, and this is what unfinished RPGs feel like.
 
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That being said, I'm also one of those who'd rather enjoy the complete experience. I can wait for the 250GB complete collection on PC. I'm quite sure that due to assets being reused in all three games there's a lot of disk space to be saved when bundling all of them into what's essentially one huge game.

I'm pretty certain it won't work like that. All parts are separate games. Save files from the previous game are not used to continue in the next. Each game will be looking for it's files in specific locations. You'd have to copy and paste the matching assets from one location to the proper folders of the next game in order to save space. Not worth the time or effort. There's no reason a person would need all three "chapters" on their PC and/or console at the same time anyway as they're separate games as stated before. The actual way to save space is just installing one of them at a time, play through it, uninstall, and on to the next.
 

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Am I the only one waiting for all 3 parts to come out before touching these?
I won't wait, after the pandemic, I realized that we must live as happy as we can be. There were probably fans who died before 7R released, and well, I hope I won't die before the game is completed
 
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PS5 Exclusive?
Just like OG?

Also, isn't Xbox a tad bit more powerful than PS5?
It seems interesting, I might play this since it looks more like an Action-RPG instead of old JRPG style.
The Xbox Series X and the PS5 are closer in power and performance than they look on paper. Sure, the Series X is technically more powerful but the bumps in frame rate and fidelity feel relatively minor in many games. You probably aren't going to notice a graphical difference between the two in most games.
 

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