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Tennessee poised to ban public drag shows, hormone therapy for children

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That's coming strictly from your point of view, while others would say it's entirely a healing process. The same can't be said of a lot of other life decisions which are objectively pitfalls.
I would argue that toying around with your hormones while you have upwards of a 90% chance of simply growing out of your confused state is a pretty big pitfall. Meanwhile, I’ve been to a lot of parties and a bottle of Smirnoff was usually associated with a 90% chance of having a good time.
Might've given me a chuckle, but the truth is that girls and women simply develop faster and run laps around us mentally throughout their teens and twenties. Was so weird when I came to the realization I was just playing catch-up the whole time.
Oh, I’m not disputing that, girls definitely grow faster and go through puberty sooner than boys, that’s just a medical fact.
Children inherently do not make their own decisions. That's why there are parents and legal guardians who make decisions for them. Can companies start hiring kids or would that be against child labor laws? Can children get tattoos or piercings? No. So why would we allow children to permanently mutilate their bodies instead of at least trying mental health first? Why is mental health never even an option with you sick fucks. It's always straight to the operating room and chopping off healthy tissue and a lifetime of infections and Big Pharma drugs.

Stay away from the children. This is really not that hard, but you people just can't help yourself with your sick cult.
We’re not discussing reassignment surgery.
 
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Children inherently do not make their own decisions. That's why there are parents and legal guardians who make decisions for them.
Right, as I mentioned multiple times, making life decisions is a collaborative, group effort. Children absolutely do make some of their own decisions, however, and it's important to give them a small bit of autonomy early on which slowly expands.

Stay away from the children. This is really not that hard, but you people just can't help yourself with your sick cult.
YOU stay away from children with your degenerate Christofascist indoctrination. Leaves kids permanently stunted, both mentally and socially.

You can't prevent kids from learning about gender and sexual identity, and lying to them will just cause them to resent you in the long run. Gotta start living in reality some time.
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Meanwhile, I’ve been to a lot of parties and a bottle of Smirnoff was usually associated with a 90% chance of having a good time.
And a higher-than-average chance of death or being drugged/raped. There are risks associated with everything, so for roughly the tenth time: don't try to tell others what risks they can and cannot take, lest you invite them to take control of your life in return.
 
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And a higher-than-average chance of death or being drugged/raped. There are risks associated with everything, so for roughly the tenth time: don't try to tell others what risks they can and cannot take, lest you invite them to take control of your life in return.
We make those decisions on behalf of minors precisely because there are risks associated with them. When you’re talking about allowing children to make baby steps in developing responsibility and autonomy, step one probably shouldn’t be allowing them to wreck their early development. Maybe start with a puppy. Also, you should’ve been there - there was an elevated risk of awesome with higher-than-average chances of a great time. No rapes, but there was a lot of hot chicks going wild, so there’s that.
 

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We make those decisions on behalf of minors precisely because there are risks associated with them. When you’re talking about allowing children to make baby steps in developing responsibility and autonomy, step one probably shouldn’t be wrecking their early development. Also, you should’ve been there - there was an elevated risk of awesome with higher-than-average chances of a great time. No rapes, but there was a lot of hot chicks going wild, so there’s that.
Almost like most things in life aren't strictly good or bad, and perspective matters a helluva lot.
 

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Almost like most things in life aren't strictly good or bad, and perspective matters a helluva lot.
Good or bad are moralist terms with no meaning outside of context. Half of the things you regularly advocate as “good” come across as “bad” to someone with my mindset. In order to make objective determinations you have to put those concepts in a wood chipper and look at data. You want to help the most people with the least intervention possible in order to maximise liberty while minimising harm. If GID is overwhelmingly alleviated by puberty in a ridiculously gross amount of cases then the justification for medical intervention is slim - there are excellent odds that doing nothing at all will sort the issue out. In fact, you could argue that trying to *prevent* puberty from taking place naturally when it’s the one thing that is proven to resolve gender confusion *in most cases* is harmful in and out of itself. Intervention is only required in edge cases where there’s no other option *but* to medicate the patient, but that would require extreme conditions. Drugs should be the absolute last resort when inaction deepens the problem and psychological and/or psychiatric intervention fails to yield results. What you’re advocating comes across as using drugs as a pause button since “they’re just blockers” and the kid can “resume puberty” at their leisure - that’s not how it works. I mentioned Peter Pan once and I’ll mention it again - more often than not, just letting a child grow up is the correct course of action.
 

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Right, as I mentioned multiple times, making life decisions is a collaborative, group effort. Children absolutely do make some of their own decisions, however, and it's important to give them a small bit of autonomy early on which slowly expands.
You don't allow children to make decisions that will affect them for the rest of their lives.
YOU stay away from children with your degenerate Christofascist indoctrination. Leaves kids permanently stunted, both mentally and socially.
We're not the ones mutilating children, making them infertile and unable to have kids in the future and calling it ""healthcare"". You people are sick and evil and I'm tired of pretending that you are not. You would make Mengele proud.
You can't prevent kids from learning about gender and sexual identity, and lying to them will just cause them to resent you in the long run. Gotta start living in reality some time.
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We can prevent kids from being indoctrinated into the trans cult by telling them the truth about the mutilating surgeries that will cost them 100's of thousands of dollars in less than 10 years.
And a higher-than-average chance of death or being drugged/raped. There are risks associated with everything, so for roughly the tenth time: don't try to tell others what risks they can and cannot take, lest you invite them to take control of your life in return.
I'm adult and can make my own medical decisions. Children cannot, unless you want to afford them other rights, like owning a gun.
 

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Wish I could say I didn't see it coming. But no, this is historically what happens with far right parties.

They create mass hysteria over a group small group of people. They start off small (remember this initially stated with bathroom arguments)
They then attach it to some larger issue unrelated to that group of people. (In this case, attaching it to pedophiles and doing everything they can to make trans people being represented at all supposedly sexual.)
They then attach it to multiple conspiracy theories (that the left is out to reprogram your kids or make them woke for acknowledging trans people exist.)
And it grows, and grows.
Until finally the far right commentators push it so hard, that the people that trust them, decide to act in violence. And the laws begin to suppress that group of people until they are no longer publicly seen. Through law or through violence.
We didn't learn from history, and it's repeating itself.
 

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Can we also ban circumcision for those under 18? The surgery has minimal benefits, a whole lot of risks, and should really be something the person can decide for himself when he's of age, not a goddamn baby or child.

Sure, it doesn't have anything to do with being trans, but still a valid question.
The USA is practically the only country in the world that still practices it. In the west for sure.
 

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You don't allow children to make decisions that will affect them for the rest of their lives.
We're way beyond that now. You don't trust parents to make decisions for their own kids either. You just want absolute control over everybody. Thank god the constitution and every true American is anti-fascist.

We're not the ones mutilating children
Mutilating, drugging, abusing, raping, take your pick. Christians have been at it longer than anybody.

We can prevent kids from being indoctrinated into the trans cult
Wrong, indoctrinating kids into your own cult won't stop them from educating themselves in the future.

I'm adult and can make my own medical decisions.
If you don't trust anyone else to make their own medical decisions, there's no reason for anyone else to trust you with yours. Especially given that you're probably basing those decisions on a book that was written when covering yourself with leeches was the prevailing treatment for any sickness or disease.
 

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We're way beyond that now. You don't trust parents to make decisions for their own kids either. You just want absolute control over everybody. Thank god the constitution and every true American is anti-fascist.
The real fascists are the left. You guys proved that during Covid when the majority of the left supported putting the unjabbed in camps and force injecting them. You don't trust parents with children's education. You advocate for teachers to keep secrets from the parents. Can you project any fucking harder there, Scooter?
Mutilating, drugging, abusing, raping, take your pick. Christians have been at it longer than anybody.
Past horrid behavior from other groups does not excuse your current horrid behavior. Grow the fuck up and come up with real arguments.
Wrong, indoctrinating kids into your own cult won't stop them from educating themselves in the future.
When they are educating themselves as adults.
If you don't trust anyone else to make their own medical decisions, there's no reason for anyone else to trust you with yours. Especially given that you're probably basing those decisions on a book that was written when covering yourself with leeches was the prevailing treatment for any sickness or disease.
""pRoBaBlY""

You suck at this so bad you have to make shit up about me. Delete your GBATemp account and cancel your ISP. You ain't ready for this.

And quit obsessing over cutting little kids' genitals, you sick freak.
 

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Can we also ban circumcision for those under 18? The surgery has minimal benefits, a whole lot of risks, and should really be something the person can decide for himself when he's of age, not a goddamn baby or child.

Sure, it doesn't have anything to do with being trans, but still a valid question.
We should also absolutely ban Intersex surgeries on infants since they tend to cause a lot of pain, can cause infertility, and also social issues in the future.

Note that I'm not talking about surgeries for health issues like urinary problems, I'm talking about full on sex-reassignment surgeries given to intersex people to try and make them look "Normal". To give you an idea of how messed up that is, imagine if parents could do that to non-intersex babies because "they really wanted a girl instead of a boy", sounds pretty messed up right, wonder why they do it to intersex people then.
 

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"Hormone therapy for children" simply means puberty blockers. Can't say I'm shocked a rightie would be against people being able to make decisions for themselves, though.

These "people" you speak of usually can't legally drive yet, can't buy tobacco, can't buy marijuana, can't buy alcohol and their brains are still forming. These "people" have guardians who take care of them because they are too immature to go about society without assistance. These "people" aren't old enough to make important decisions for themselves.
 

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These "people" you speak of usually can't legally drive yet, can't buy tobacco, can't buy marijuana, can't buy alcohol and their brains are still forming. These "people" have guardians who take care of them because they are too immature to go about society without assistance. These "people" aren't old enough to make important decisions for themselves.
That's why there is a whole set of professionals in the process. They are not self-medicating.
 

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The world righties want for us, ladies and gents.
What he's describing is incredibly invasive and straight up sexual harassment or even sexual assault. Remind me why the right wants that world again? They do know that laws like that will apply to them as well, that they'll be required to strip down too.
 
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What he's describing is incredibly invasive and straight up sexual harassment or even sexual assault. Remind me why the right wants that world again? They do know that laws like that will apply to them as well, that they'll be required to strip down too.
Nah they always believe they'll be accepted to the "in" group and thus have immunity to their own rules. If not for double-standards they'd have no standards at all.
 

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Waste disposal is what it is. You can blame capitalists for it if you want, the recent pollution of UK beaches is actually attributed to the government dumping storm drains directly into the sea (for some reason). That’s not exactly the core issue - I was contesting your claim because I don’t think it can be proven without a long-term study. Will we have more or less people identifying as homosexual 100 years from now? I’d suspect more, to be honest.
I mean, you can say that, but I don’t know how that strengthens or weakens the argument for either side. My point is that it could be the safest drug in the universe and it still shouldn’t be administered unless there’s a confirmed need for it.

the problem is the need element, people believes it saves lives ( although ironically it takes more than it save) so the problem is you get the wrong people in charge, their bias affects it.
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The world righties want for us, ladies and gents.

why do you care you arent from the US
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Nah they always believe they'll be accepted to the "in" group and thus have immunity to their own rules. If not for double-standards they'd have no standards at all.

good news is your side is also real interested in genitals too
 

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why do you care you arent from the US
Well we know why you'd support DeSantis and Trump, you're from Russia.

good news is your side is also real interested in genitals too
Nah we're arguing in favor of letting people make their own decisions. You want to mandate conformity by law, and make even minor disobedience punishable by death or severe violence. You want the fourth reich to spawn from the sewage in the US, but that shit ain't ever happening on my watch. I'm tired of playing coy with you motherfuckers.

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Nah they always believe they'll be accepted to the "in" group and thus have immunity to their own rules. If not for double-standards they'd have no standards at all.
Yeah they're delusional. If they got their wish those laws and practices would be used against anyone who did anything wrong, including them.
 
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Well we know why you'd support DeSantis and Trump, you're from Russia.


Nah we're arguing in favor of letting people make their own decisions. You want to mandate conformity by law, and make even minor disobedience punishable by death or severe violence. You want the fourth reich to spawn from the sewage in the US, but that shit ain't ever happening on my watch. I'm tired of playing coy with you motherfuckers.

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your team gave us the clot shot, we are just paying it forward, that said, this explains ALOT, you are on the hillary hoax team right? did she tell you what to say about durham?
 
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